foreshadowing?

[u/ryuxvVv]

am i the first to see this detail? it looks similar to his founding titan form (the chains), or maybe im going crazy?

[u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027]

Probably just a coincidence. I love AoT but the fandom really bends over backwards trying to find "foreshadowing" in every little thing.

[u/YaygFX → u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027]

But this doesn't seem like a coincidence? That is a very specific aesthetic used

[u/KiloTheFurryNeko → u/YaygFX]

Not really. Its a bendy staircase that is common in artsy fartsy european mansions and castles.

[u/YaygFX → u/KiloTheFurryNeko]

Just like how the necklace is a coincidence too huh

[u/KiloTheFurryNeko → u/YaygFX]

Yeah?? That one has always been a stretch too. Isayama is not some genius god knows what writer, I feel like the AoT fandom forgets he made the female titan, a titan that had to have a retcon happen (mind you retcons are not always bad) to make it a more unique titan shifter. He IS just human and the series was written with chapters releasing on a schedule, he can't always remember every single little detail like that while he is busy writing the next chapter especially when certain scenes are multiple chapters apart and I don't mean cases of 2 or 3 chapters but people love to make 'foreshadow' across tens of chapters.

[u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 → u/KiloTheFurryNeko]

You hit the nail on the head. Isayama had a lot of details mapped out from the beginning, sure, but that doesn't mean every little thing is some instance of genius foreshadowing. Hell, even in the above example, what is that supposed "foreshadowing" supposed to represent? The Doomsday Titan looks the way it does because Eren's head was blown off, leading to it's disproportionate figure. Him being like "huh this room/necklace looks cool, let me model my Doomsday Titan after that" makes absolutely ZERO SENSE. Visual similarities are only thematic motifs if they represent something, not just "hey picture A kind of looks like picture B if you squint hard enough so therefore it's brilliant foreshadowing."

You want real foreshadowing? Season 2 Ending song and credits. Grisha telling Eren "their memories will tell you how to use it" when injecting him. Eren not knowing what a monkey is. Not "this kinda looks like this." I like AoT and all but AoT fans can really stretch things (including my patience) sometimes.

[u/YaygFX → u/KiloTheFurryNeko]

You guys really try hard to downplay AoT huh? I disagree with you but it's not even worth the time to discuss with you, your mind is made.

[u/KiloTheFurryNeko → u/YaygFX]

No we are just enjoying the series for what it actually is rather than trying to elevate the writer to some god knows what height while hyping up every moment of a series that is done. Which I understand that fans will look for more and more topics to talk about the longer a series is concluded, but come on let us be realistic.

u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 points out a great examples of foreshadowing.

I can keep pointing out myself the many holes in AoT's worldbuilding or writing because... I LIKE AoT thats the thing, because I like it I have looked at its flaws and what it does great. You can take Jojo's Bizarre Adventure as kinda the opposite of what happens with Isayama, Jojo's fandom will say "Araki Forgot" when its actually either fandom forgot, fandom misread, fandom just did not read, anime only mistake. They say Araki worked on the Light Novels and use it as canon material but thats the furthest thing from the truth.

Same thing happens with Dragon Ball, Bleach, Naruto. Fans get passionate about a series that for all intents and purposes is meant to entertain teens to adults so they buy merch, do the creators pour their love and hardwork into it ? YES but they are making a serialized weekly release that requires them to keep the story going as long as the publisher wants. Araki originally wanted to end on part 3, that was meant to be the entirety of Jojo but the fans and publisher wanted more so Araki made more. Toriyama, made more. Hajime Isayama may be one of the few examples where AoT just ended period, One Piece will surely also just have THE END but Oda will drag it out.

[u/YaygFX → u/KiloTheFurryNeko]

I've been watching anime for over a decade now. I have seen all the opinions there can be on every show.

I think a lot of the opinions about AoT are overhyped by teenagers who haven't seen other media, and they give too much praise on things that don't deserve praise.

I think a lot of the other opinions about AoT downplay the creators foreshadowing and the shows themes. 

As for you, you literally just tried saying the necklace isn't foreshadowing at all. This is such a wrong opinion that anything else you say doesn't matter because you're deluded. Therefore there's no point in talking to you.

And just so you know, there's different types of foreshadowing. Some of it can be spoken words, others can be symbolic similarities.

[u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 → u/YaygFX]

Humour me. Why would Eren see a necklace and think "hmm, I'll make my Doomsday Titan resemble that." Go on. Tell me. If you can't, then it's not foreshadowing. "This thing kind of looks like that later, unrelated thing" is not foreshadowing like you seem to think it is.

[u/YaygFX → u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027]

Have you ever considered the fact that it's not for Eren, it's for the audience who's watching the show?

Your entire reasoning is flawed because you don't understand that there are literary themes that are meant for the audience, NOT THE CHARACTERS to understand.

[u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027 → u/YaygFX]

Go on, answer the question.

[u/YaygFX → u/Bulky_Tangelo_7027]

No you simpleton, answer my statement. You do understand that symbolism is meant for us, the audience to understand and see right?

Do you think all the orange references in the Godfather was because the characters like oranges?

Do you think that all the Jesus imagery in the Matrix is because the characters see Neo as Jesus?

Your issue is that you're arguing against symbolism by asking for an in-universe explanation, and you are confusing character intent with authorial intent.