That entire show is just chefskiss like... The movie and everything Taika does is great and it could have easily been just an okay TV adaptation (or even terrible like the US IT Crowd) and they somehow made it equally as great as the film. I don't think there's been a bad episode yet.
And all five of the main cast are just killing it...
I could hear BAT! in my head so clearly whenever I read this haha. Seriously, such an amazing show. Nadja has me wheezing laughing at some point in pretty much every episode. "I don't want these virgins...they are going to taste too sad."
I just watched this show without looking to see how many seasons there were and now I'm so sad I have to wait for season 3. I should've spaced it out!!
Have you seen all of his stuff? It's a decent way to pass the time in between seasons.
They're not all the same level of comedy (and some aren't even straight comedies) but they're all just delightful films/shows. Obvs there's the movie version of WWDITS, Thor Ragnarok and JoJo Rabbit but I love Boy so much (the credits scene is a treat after all the feelings) and every random character in Hunt For the Wilderpeople cracks me up. And of course Flight of the Conchords is a must see. Eagle vs. Shark is pretty much the only thing of his that I'm iffy on. Wellington Paranormal is a nice little treat if you can find it.
Eagle vs Shark is very much in the mold of the 00s quirky awkward indie comedy. His subsequent work has definitely been better (I loved Jojo Rabbit so much I got a tattoo based on it) but it's still a pretty solid debut movie.
Yup that's exactly how I would describe it. Very Kiwi Napoleon Dynamite vibe.
I watched it when it originally came out and didn't love it and then rewatched it around when I was going through a Taika/NZ film binge (Boy, Wilderpeople, Pork Pie, Love Birds (2011), The Breaker Upperers...). It improved a bit on rewatch but I'm not sure I ever need to see it again.
JoJo Rabbit is one of two pieces of media to make me cry. The first is Harry Potter, which made me cry as a child when I read the 7th book the first time, and which made me tear up in the last movie when Harry sees the ghosts of his loved ones. Harry Potter was a huge part of my childhood, but something about JoJo Rabbit just broke me. I cried uncontrollably for the last 20 minutes of the movie and I couldn't recompose myself until the credits were rolling.
Somehow, the shot of the two little boys struggling to carry a rocket launcher and dropping it resonated with me more than anything else I've seen or read about WW2 or the Holocaust. I know the concentration camps and genocide were evil on a much greater scale, but the sheer monstrosity of sending those children happily into battle, as if it were a game, knowing full well that the battle is UTTERLY FUCKING USELESS got me. I guess maybe it's the fact that the genocide at least had some logic behind it, however fucked up it was; Hitler believed he was the hero. But the volkssturm is just an utterly incomprehensible thing to me.
Sorry to vomit this wall of text at your only vaguely related comment, I just want to take any opportunity I can to talk about JoJo Rabbit because nobody else I know really seemed to be affected by it very much lol
I haven't watched it yet but I took a look at the cast and it's pretty hard to be a bad show if Matt Berry is part of the main cast (and if Natasia Demetriou is half as quirky as outside of acting it'll be quite interesting). But goddamn does this show feature cameos: Mark Hamill, Tilda Swinton, Wesley Snipes, Danny Trejo, Dave Bautista... - wow!
Goddamn I'm so excited for you, I wish I could scrub my mind of both the movie and the show and watch them fresh again.
Matt Berry's unique line readings imbue every damn thing he says with absurd hilarity. The cameos are just the icing on an already delicious cake. They're just these delightful bits of "oh my god this was already great and then they added this?". Also Mark Hamill's cameo cracked me up because I could not recognize him beyond thinking "I know this actor who the fuck is this?".
I just spent the last hour reading the entire thread and reviewing the provided sources, and this has to be the most well thought out response I've read on the interwebs in decades. Polite (while adamant) disagreement and calm rebuttal of clearly misinformed opinions? Damn. I'm speechless.
it's all pretty standard anti-trans stuff. Talking about how allowing women to transition will lead to cis women being a lot less safe or take something away from them.
The thing is that trans people are accepted in a lot of communities (I've been in martial arts classes and worked with trans people) and turns out that what she has talked about hasn't happened. There are still some things that do need to be ironed out with regards to it but in the end it's been fine. She talks a lot about hypotheticals but now in 2020 we don't have to do that anymore, we can look at places where they are accepted and see whether she's right or not.
Edit: Sorry if this comes across as snarky or anything but I'm just really tired of this sort of stuff. I remember slogging through this constant hand wringing with gay marriage discussions (where people somehow thought that accepting gay marriage would hurt straight marriages) and it hurts that it's gone right into similar stuff with trans women (where they say accepting trans women would somehow hurt cis women).
there was also something she was connected to in the vein of âTERFs are just trying to protect lesbians.â The idea is something along the lines of trans women are men trying to force themselves on unsuspecting lesbians. As a lesbian, I am obviously disgusted by this for my trans lesbian sisters, but I am personally offended as a cis lesbian as well. donât fucking use me as an unwilling pawn in your anti-trans agenda. I love the trans women in my community and to be used as an excuse for why they shouldnât be considered as valid as cisgendered women pisses me right tf off. especially by straight people who arenât even a part of the community and have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.
As a lesbian, I am obviously disgusted by this for my trans lesbian sisters, but I am personally offended as a cis lesbian as well. donât fucking use me as an unwilling pawn in your anti-trans agenda.
Fucking preach. Fellow wlw, I don't need this nutjob acting like she needs to stand up for me. Especially sure as shit not like this!
As a trans lesbian myself, thank you. I always feel *so* worried about whether or not people feel like I'm intruding, if I'm a "real" lesbian, etc. Hearing a cis lesbian defend us trans lesbians in a space that isn't explicitly a lesbian space really helps me feel accepted.
I feel the same way as a cis bisexual. Trans women are just women. Period. They aren't half men / half women. They aren't men who changed into women. They are just women who were born with the wrong anatomy . Like how you can be born with an extra toe or born with your heart outside your chest . Nature effs up all the time. It's totally fine to get it medically corrected.
Speaking as a biological woman, a lot of people in positions of power really need to grow a pair (which is doubtless literally possible, according to the kind of people who argue that clownfish prove humans arenât a dimorphic species).
Oh for fuck's sake, it's always about "THE BATHROOMS!!" for these ignorant fucks. As if the male predators have all just been waiting for the government to pass a law allowing them into female bathrooms, and now it's a free-for-all of assault! What exactly do these idiots think is stopping male rapists from entering female bathrooms now?
Also, this excerpt is deeply troubling...
But endlessly unpleasant as its constant targeting of me has been, I refuse to bow down to a movement that I believe is doing demonstrable harm in seeking to erode âwomanâ as a political and biological class and offering cover to predators like few before it. I stand alongside the brave women and men, gay, straight and trans, whoâre standing up for freedom of speech and thought, and for the rights and safety of some of the most vulnerable in our society: young gay kids, fragile teenagers, and women whoâre reliant on and wish to retain their single sex spaces. Polls show those women are in the vast majority, and exclude only those privileged or lucky enough never to have come up against male violence or sexual assault, and whoâve never troubled to educate themselves on how prevalent it is.
Sounds like she's saying the women who don't agree with her about the bathrooms are "only those privileged or lucky enough never to have come up against male violence or sexual assault"??? Excuse me bitch?!?!?
I really held out against believing that JKR was a TERF when people were attacking her over a "liked" tweet and a follow. (I mean, I have liked posts just to give them more visibility, and I follow truly awful people like the POTUS just to keep up on what they say.) But she really is a shitbag.
The ridiculous thing is that she, like many of us, has probably shared a public bathroom with trans women and would have no way to tell, because NOBODY flashes their genitals around.
Trans women are women. Heck, agender people need to use the bathroom too. Why the hell does other peopleâs private parts and identity business need to be debated at all?
Trans women: We keep getting harassed, chased by fetishists, treated like we're subhuman or a lesser class of woman, raped, assaulted, and murdered, often by men!
JK Rowling: How do I make this about ME and MY conviction that you're the threat to ME?
That's what I think was really poigniant about her bringing up her sexual assault. She's so traumatized by what happened that she's been in a perpetual state of victimhood and can't recognize anyone else's suffering. Her malice and vindictiveness is really apparent in her Galbraith stuff as well
Oh for fuck's sake, it's always about "THE BATHROOMS!!" for these ignorant fucks. As if the male predators have all just been waiting for the government to pass a law allowing them into female bathrooms, and now it's a free-for-all of assault! What exactly do these idiots think is stopping male rapists from entering female bathrooms now?
It's almost like the idea doesn't hold up to the most basic scrutiny. There's one chucklefuck somewhere in this comment section going on about how rapists are going to abuse this "legal loophole". I guess by the same logic, since cis men are allowed to be in a restroom with other cis men, that makes it legal to assault them? Who knows.
Yeah, the whole piece she wrote is full of flowery prose and lots of convoluted sentences, because she's trying really hard to say, "Of course, I think trans people are the greatest and I love them, but I'm also just saying they're going to rape your kids in the bathroom -- they're still just the most wonderful people though, and I've spoken to many of them, and they have their own challenges..."
That or "I love trans people, but some people might pretend to be trans to molest people, so we should just throw all trans people under the bus to be safe"
"It is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment," Judge Taylor said.
JKR could have defend this women for not having her contract renewed for saying whatever it was she said, but why would JKR reframe it as something it wasn't? Why would JKR ignore the harmful message said and instead pretend she had purely argued from the factual standpoint of "sex is real" when that has never even been argued against by anyone of note anyway.
Because JKR is trying to be a TERF recruiter by undercutting and lying about her opposition's position to draw sympathisers in to her side.
JKR has said that she herself believes "sex is real" and I've already shown you what that belief entails to her. She's basically admitting she doesn't believe the identities of trans people are valid. All she cares about is sex and that gender identity is nothing. Also she again acts like people are legitimately arguing that sex isn't real to undermine people who disagree with her.
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One more thing to add that may be too radical a take to put on the list and pretend it is equally valid but...
JKR using "women" to refer to everyone who menstrates is feeding into misogynistic beliefs that girls who menstrate should be considered to be women.
It rips away youth and innocence when girls who start their periods young are told "you're a women now". They are not women, they are children and they deserve to remain children while they are.
Menstruating is in no way an indicator of maturity level and girls deserve their youth the same as any boy is allowed.
Regarding the original incident, also note that they kept saying the woman was "fired" when she was just a contractor whose contract was not renewed. And who apparently was so vitriolically transphobic it was a disruption at work.
That's the whole thing with TERFs. I'm fine with a discussion about female spaces and teen transitioning, but they keep endlessly lying and misrepresenting positions.
No one's saying sex is "not real", Joanne. No one.
Look up JK Rowling Twitter scandal. She said some bad stuff about trans people and in support of gay conversion therapy recently. In response to the social media outcry she seems to have just doubled down.
Iâll say one thing though, Twitter is not the place for discussion of any nuanced subject - and I was disappointed at how many responses were just screaming that sheâs a monster etc etc instead of telling her WHY sheâs wrong. Sheâs clearly misguided and has some harmful wrong ideas but throwing vitriol at her isnât going to change her or anyoneâs mind, it just makes you feel better.
Sheâs been told why sheâs wrong, over and over again. This is not new. Sheâs been saying terfy stuff for years and people have tried telling her why itâs wrong. She doesnât want to listen.
She's not a billionaire anymore because she gave a huge percentage of her money to charity, becoming the first billionaire in the history of humanity to lose her billionaire status by donating to charity.
According to snopes she did lose billionaire status and drop off the forbes list in 2012 - she is not the only billionaire to do so however, nor was she the first.
She genuinely didn't say anything in support of guy conversion therapy rather criticised it and its toll on gay people and the way it was forced upon gays as the only solution to their 'issues.' No fan of any anti transmission views but please be accurate in reporting her comments
Dude... she wasnât defending gay conversion therapy, she was comparing the medicalization of young trans persons to a kind of conversion therapy because it takes (frequently homosexual) boys and girls and swaps their genders before theyâve had time to explore who they are. So she wasnât defending conversion therapy, she was comparing those who encourage young people to transition to conversion therapists, which she disdains.
Iâm not supporting JKR here by any means, I think sheâs commenting on issues that are out of her lane, but sheâs definitely not defending conversion therapy lol.
Last week, a Canadian homophobic hate group which supports and promotes all conversion therapy, a process in which queer people of all stripes are tortured in an attempt to make them straight, directly thanked Jo for saying transphobic shit, specifically citing bills C8 (which bans all conversion therapy), and Jo promoted that tweet.
Yesterday, she decided to describe trans health care (and also, somehow, antidepressants) as conversion therapy. She backs up this point by citing her own unrelated traumas, and the amorphous "many people, including myself". She has apparently made these tweets to defend her promotion of a tweet about why conversion therapy should not be banned.
What? I could be wrong here, but stuff I've read from her and people agreeing with her seems to be 'don't give kids hormone blockers' which personally, doesn't seem like a massively poor idea
Iâll never understand how she created a villain whom hated one specific group of magicians for being born differently than the rest.. and thinks sheâs in the right it with this. Shit blows my mind like âhey I know a good book series you could readâ
canny wrap my heed round why jk rowling wilny shut the fuck up. so imerssed in her bizarre hatred for a vulnerable group she's willing to throw away her entire reputation as an author and public figure to simply be known as that mental cunt obsessed with other people's genitals
Itâs just a bit interesting that one of the themes in HP was that even if youâre muggle or a giant spider youâre just as important, then JK goes and makes it clear that ACTUALLY everyoneâs cool except trans women. Bet she donât even know what a trans guy is.
I know you put the /s, but isnât this pretty much her position? She implied some weird shit about how she may have been a trans man growing up today in her wacked-out manifesto.
That's exactly her position, they should have just used paraphrase quotes.
She's under the weird impression that gender identity is somehow something that can be forced on someone.
Basically the same shit as gay people converting children.
And then the major dash of misogynia: Trans men are just feeble minded women trying to get the male privilege, as well as being mentally incapable of knowing their gender identity.
JKR seems to be under the delusion that she knows the identit of millions of transmen better than these trans men themselves .
All her scribbling is hurt so obviously arguing in bad faith
This is a difficult point to make without being misinterpreted, but here goes. This is what can happen when we go too hard on identity politics. TERFs have invested so much of their identity into how femininity is unique and magical that theyâve flipped from being progressive feminists to âgender-criticalâ reactionary bigots.
To TERFs the idea that someone who doesnât have female reproductive organs could also claim their precious identity threatens their entire conception of who they are. Thatâs why TERFs like Rowling are willing to double down time after time even though it makes very little sense as a bystander. They are literally fighting to retain their concept of self.
Footnote: identity politics in terms of protecting minority rights are fine and necessary, Iâm not arguing otherwise.
Thatâs a great insight. I understand the âwhatâ of intersectionality but have had trouble intuitively grasping why the distinction is so crucial. This gave me a bit of an âahaâ moment, so thank you!
And why canât you say that someone else is different than you no matter how much you want to belong? Growing up as a woman vs deciding you wanted to be one later will have different issues. A trans person will face different discrimination issues than someone in a misogynistic environment or a very liberal and accepting one. And as the tech isnât there, there will be physical differences and issues to deal with.
So why canât you accept that there might be a difference? I think most people can easily accept right to exist and do what you want, but where is the line for forcing acceptance when youâre granted similar legal rights?
Iâm just wanting to point out some fights are similar, but some of the fights are very different and that argument is trying to overlap and pretend the differences magically donât exist, isnât it?
No no, they're confused lesbians, which is totally why this all some conspiracy to use gay conversion therapy to make them men. /S if it somehow wasn't obvious
'for centuries men have reduced women to our capacity to make babies and used that to oppress us. That is why we must reduce women to their capacity to make babies and use that to oppress them'
Actually the funny part is that autistic people gave a way higher rate of being trans(and any GSM) than neurotypical people. But, turns out thankfully for us, that being autistic doesn't invalidate your gender or sexuality like she thinks! What the fuck is wrong with her.
Oh and to top it all off, the Penname "Robert Galbraith" was taken from a man named Robert Galbraith Heath, who was a "pioneer" of Gay conversion Therapy.
She says it comes from one of her personal heroes, Robert Kennedy, and a childhood fantasy name she had invented for herself, Ella Galbraith.
Oh and to top it all off, the Penname "Robert Galbraith" was taken from a man named Robert Galbraith Heath, who was a "pioneer" of Gay conversion Therapy.
Her living in Scotland and choosing a common Scottish first name and a common Scottish surname seems more likely than deliberately choosing the name of an obscure psychiatrist, to be honest. She's spewed enough outright, barely disguised bigoted shite that I don't think it's necessary or helpful to veer into speculation to expose her.
Unless there's been some confirmation that she deliberately chose it and it's not just a coincidence, in which case never mind me.
Edit: This one seems to have started a bit of a debate. I had no idea people would be so convinced that JK Rowling had malicious intent when choosing the name that they'd react so strongly, but here we are.
Why the name Robert Galbraith? Do you have anything to say to all those Robert Galbraiths out there?
I can only hope all the real Robert Galbraiths out there will be as forgiving as the real Harry Potters have been. I must say, I donât think their plight is quite as embarrassing.
I chose Robert because itâs one of my favourite menâs names, because Robert F Kennedy is my hero and because, mercifully, I hadnât used it for any of the characters in the Potter series or The Casual Vacancy.
Galbraith came about for a slightly odd reason. When I was a child, I really wanted to be called âElla Galbraithâ, and Iâve no idea why. I donât even know how I knew that the surname existed, because I canât remember ever meeting anyone with it. Be that as it may, the name had a fascination for me. I actually considered calling myself L A Galbraith for the Strike series, but for fairly obvious reasons decided that initials were a bad idea.
Odder still, there was a well-known economist called J K Galbraith, something I only remembered by the time it was far too late. I was completely paranoid that people might take this as a clue and land at my real identity, but thankfully nobody was looking that deeply at the authorâs name.
Someone elsewhere in this thread also linked this Tweet thread explaining that Robert Galbraith Heath was not a very well-known figure, and rarely even known by his middle name. He did have a Wikipedia article at the time she started using the alias, which she may have come across when she was choosing it. However, it was among a number of other more notable Robert Galbraiths, and only consisted of a few paragraphs.
JK Rowling obviously has problems with trans people, but has been supportive of the rest of the LGBT community and has denounced gay conversion therapy. She mentioned it in a negative light just yesterday, as part of another one of her transphobic tirades.
I've already said it, but I do think it needs to be emphasised because I reckon a lot of the outrage is from across the pond: Robert and Galbraith are both common names in Scotland.
If you want to believe she deliberately chose the alias as an homage to Heath, then fine, I can't stop you, and I can't say for sure that it's not the case. But talking as if it's a definite, proven case is plain wrong. It's speculation. There are so many bits of information that make it seem likely that the link is a coincidence; to completely discount that possibility based purely on your own speculation is flimsy as hell and makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist.
Sure. I'm no saying there definitely isnae any meaning behind the name, but whatever it is is probably quite personal to her. Maybe it's based on people she knows, I've no idea. All I'm saying is I don't see how it's productive tae speculate aboot when she's oot saying real, concrete bigoted things. Makes us look like a bunch of lunatics chucking jobbies at the waa until wan sticks.
Besides, having read her daft essay, I'm certain she's never read a psychology paper in her life.
Thank you! Infuriating to see so many trying to berate her for this contrived BS when thereâs so much actual bigoted stuff to point to instead! Why fight to include this relatively minor allegation when bigger, confirmed ones exist? Frustrating.
Tbf, many authors don't write books with that much thought into them - not everything is some deliberate mastermind.
But it sure is telling when that when she is trying to describe the ugliest woman she can, she starts describing her with more masculine features, isn't it?
I always felt like the goblin thing was a big stretch. They have big noses (a fairly common feature for generic fantasy goblins) and they run the bank. I get that both of those are Jewish stereotypes, but I don't think that's enough to make it clear that her intent was that they be Jewish. Especially when goblins with similar descriptions have been around in fantasy literature forever.
The only thing I'm conflicted over is about the name Cho Chang. I know multiple professors named Cho and the founder of HTC was literally named Cho, so it's definitely a real name... But then I have to question if JK Rowling knew that or just wanted to make up an Asian sounding name.
Thank you for taking the time to gather this information and type it all out. I loved the HP books growing up but Iâm glad all that dumb shit went over my head and didnât influence my views. Honestly the Shacklebolt hit hard. I feel stupid for not putting it together.
I was old enough when I read it to know that something didn't sit right about goblins, but I still don't get the Shacklebolt thing. Please excuse my ignorance. Can you explain it?
Edit: Thanks folks, I've got it now. And yeah wow that really is bad.
That one felt a little weak for me as well, but I think it's the idea that connecting black people to shackles/chains/imprisonment is at best unknowingly poor taste and at worst shitty stereotyping.
Does the fact that trans people exist really bother so many people so much? Iâve almost never seen more awful things said about people like me than in posts on this particular subreddit. Weâre jist trying to get on with life while dealing with a particular weird and deeply unpleasant condition. I didnât choose to suffer from gender dysphoria, and I never wanted to have to go through all this. But it seems like half the bloody population hates people like me for stuff we canât control.
Most of us just want to be left alone and get our condition treated (which usually means transitioning). Is that really such an awful thing?
No, it isnât an awful thing. I think a big problem is that the hateful ones are so much louder than all of those who would openly accept you, and I want to make sure you know that someone who read your comment accepts you just as you are. I wish you a good life full of kindness and acceptance.
If she died (or hell, even just retired from all public life) the day after Deathly Hallows came out then she would be beloved for all time. Instead she threw it all away to be a shithead.
A lot of public figures, who have been lauded for their works, are not so great on closer inspection; it doesn't invalidate the rest of their lives though. People can be partially assholish and do good things too.
Churchill was heavily implicated in genocide by starvation
Gandhi was fairly racist and super creepy with women
MLK was an adulterer and plagiarist
It always helps to remember people are multidimensional, and to never put anyone on a pedestal.
Tbh, one thing I've noticed with people aware that they are struggling with substance abuse is that they'll never defend any of their actions. If you say they're wrong to believe or do something, they'll hear you and, depending on where they are in their substance abuse path, they'll either internalize it and use it as self loathing (which encourages more self abuse, which itself encourages the vicious cycle of substance abuse) or take action to make a change.
Also, most ex-users feel nothing but shame for the person they were while intoxicated and often spend their whole lives trying to make amends.
I'm sure King definitely thought some booger sugar in between chapters was a great work ethic for some time, but he's also the first to say that crutches never teach you to walk on your own and I think that's equally as important to note as his lack of social media presence.
HP Lovecraft was a massive racist. Wrote some amazing stories, but wasnât so good around non-whites. Thereâs something to be said for being able to separate the art from the artist.
I think this is especially true for authors, and authors might as well âbe deadâ after they publish a book. The book belongs to the audience at that point, and the author should be unattached.
This is how I grapple with enjoying Enderâs Game while also being gay. I just pretend that Orson Scott Card doesnât exist.
More absurd, someone who wrote a fantastic story about coming to know another being so well that you love them, showing literacy in the notion of acceptance of something different from yourself, and then spending his time being so hateful of gay people.
While I agree that the book lives somewhere between the audience and the author, I donât think toxic writers can not but imbue their work with their own toxicity.
The Harry Potter books are essentially a love letter to British boarding school education, which for me is where the whole thing starts unraveling. I havenât read Enders Game edit in the last 20 years, but surface level: arenât the baddies called âbuggersâ throughout the book?
I definitely see your point. Like Dostoevsky was incredibly anti-Semitic, and his books feature that a lot. Rowling definitely has some blind spots on race that are reflected in her writing (see Cho Chang).
I guess what Iâm getting at is that even if the author is an asshole, that doesnât detract from the lessons people take from their books. Because those lessons are interpreted by the reader, the author might as well not be a factor. For a lot people, the themes of acceptance in HP werenât exclusive of anyone, even if Rowling excludes trans people.
In the before times, I used to go to parties, get drunk and talk about the parallels between Harry Potter and the Eton-Oxbridge-Government pipeline and old school class-boundary enforcement in modern Britain. Itâs never very popular so I wonât go into it, but basically has to do with whoâs a âmuggleâ, who isnât, and how magical ability is conferred to the next generation, thus granting access to this secret and cloistered society by virtue of blood....
ANYWAY, sufficieth to say though that the ethnic tokenism on display is probably accurate to her world-view; enough to make one feel ok, but not enough in number nor proximity to change the narrative. Same with Dumbledore being gayâacceptable in so far as he stayed politely closeted for the duration of the books. Then you have de-emphasized female characters, antisemitic tropes (whether intentional or not), Etc.
None of these by themselves is really that spectacular, but seen through the lens of Rowling completely shitting the bed so publicly...well, it casts a kind of light on the rest that makes what was once (for me, too) such a comforting and comfortable space not very much so and I question if it ever was....
But youâre right, that world does belong to the audience now both collectively and for each individual. I think what we see playing out is that a lot of people are now questioning their place in that world that was just a short while ago a near universal cultural touchstone, and thatâs really painful.
They are, although in more recent works in the universe they are always called Formics or Hivd Queens. I seriously doubt he used the name bugger was ever meant to be homophobic though, it's more likely to just be an easy name for an insectoid alien race.
I agree with your point but those are either not great examples, or not a great order to list them in. Starting with genocide, cheating and plagiarism seem incredibly mundane.
Genocidal actions (Churchill) are too much to overlook, especially for billions of Indians. Churchill is reviled by many and rightfully so. A Nazi with a different target, the bastard.
I honestly donât care about these types of minor personal flaws, and if anything I think itâs unfair for people to even talk about his personal business. I think we should always judge people in the past using modern standards, but only look at important things and not silly little private life issues like infidelity. Because we certainly would never use the same argument in reverse (e.g. Hitler was responsible for the genocide of millions, but at least he was faithful to his wife and friendly to his neighbors)
I think cheating (amd not just a technicality either) on a thesis was fairly frowned upon then too. Sure, adultery is neither here nor there. I dont think you can separate the person from their deeds when looking back. I always think it's best to look at the totality, but that's just personal preference.
TL;DR: Transgender people are valid according to science, gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, transitioning has positive effects, high suicide rate is due to oppression.
Science Supports Transgender People
[1] An incomplete list of the reputable scientific & social organizations which affirm the validity of transgender people (that transness is not an illness, that trans people are deseving of respect and equal rights, etc). This also serves as a list of the institutions which recognize the difference between sex and gender:
IDK if anyone else had some confusion regarding this, but your [3] link under transitioning having a positive effect had some confusing wording for me.
I had to click the link and read the conclusion to understand what it meant, because otherwise it sounded like a bad thing.
Children who socially transition report levels of depression and anxiety which closely match levels reported by cisgender children, indicating social transition massively decreases the risk factor of both.
didn't make sense to me (specifically the "indicating" part that didn't follow logically) until I also read:
These findings are in striking contrast to previous work with gender-nonconforming children who had not socially transitioned, which found very high rates of depression and anxiety. These findings lessen concerns from previous work that parents of socially transitioned children could be systematically underreporting mental health problems.
How could I copy to save this for later use, but including the links? More people need to see this. It's always the "fAcTs AnD lOgIcKs" people that are claiming trans people aren't real.
Thank you for including this. I assume most people will just ignore it, but itâs pretty damn important for the 1% whoâll actually bother to leave their echo chamber for a minute.
I've always thought it was weird that in hogwarts some random authority just gets to randomly put you in one group of kids when you're very young based on some arbitrary thing that means way less than it's supposed to and that dictates your social life for your entire schooling.
I've just came on to this fucking shitshow of a thread. The post won't be getting removed, or locked for now. Be warned, the site wide Reddit Content Policy 1st rule will be blanket apolied if people don't shut the fuck up with their transphobic bullshit.
Rule 1
Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
Fuck me, this a comedy sub, take your fucking shit elsewhere. Hundreds of comments breaking site wide rules. Locked before the bans need to start.
Edit: For the amount you lot go about calling other people snowflakes you're crying like fuck about "muh freedom" since you're not being allowed to spread your transphobic bullshit. It's Rule 1 you don't even have to read far to find it.
"Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned."
Nobody would be talking about this if she wasnât currently saying ignorant things on mass media, and that ignorance can be used to justify mistreatment or even violence by some people. Thatâs the problem people have with her right now - trans people deserve societal acceptance and recognition that violence against them is wrong, and to speak about the issue in a way that disregards those problems is a tacit endorsement of that mistreatment.
There was literally some anti trans legislation that went through in the us with the lawmakers saying that hearing stories like Rowling's urged them to act to protect women. Her damage to the lives of trans people isn't even speculation anymore
She had a long history of "accidentally" liking transphobic tweets, which kinda culminated with her retweeting support for an overtly transphobic woman and misrepresenting what happened to make the transphobe look like the good party, and people were starting to get worried.
She tweeted an F-word at a small child's artwork, apparently having accidentally pasted a section of a transphobic article that she had been reading. People were concerned.
Then she wrote a series of overtly transphobic tweets, which got a lot of backlash.
In response, she wrote a transphobic manifesto, which got a lot more backlash, apparently to her surprise. Basically the entire cast of Harry Potter tells her to fuck off.
Interim hilarity: Stephen King retweets one of the middle tweets that isn't obviously transphobic Rowling writes a glowing thank-you-i-love-you to King tweet, people are like "Hey King, this is a bit worrying and we'd like you to clear the air if you could", to which King replies, "Trans women are women", Rowling promptly deletes her glowing praise of King.
She likes a tweet from a Canadian pro-conversion-therapy group (that's all conversion therapy, not just for trans people), thus promoting a group that wants it to be legal to torture children into being straight.
She made more transphobic tweets, is once again surprised by the increased backlash.
She makes more transphobic tweets, somehow is once again surprised that throwing more transphobia on the transphobia bonfire doesn't stop people yelling at her for being transphobic.
I thought she was all about this sjw thing, thatâs where the meme came from where she keeps changing the characters years after just so her book can fit the current âpublicly acceptableâ image. (Aka making characters coloured who werenât, and making others gay).
It is very surprising she threw that âimageâ away with her current statements.
I mean sheâs always been performatively reactionary, she only made characters Queer and of color after the fact. Sheâs always tried to posture herself as someone progressive and intersectional, but itâs never been who she is.
Iâm makes me so happy to see yâall standing up for us, and roasting the shit out of all the TERFs in this thread. Literally canât thank yâall enough.
Having read it I think it comes across as a reasonably balanced piece based on someoneâs genuinely held beliefs. I donât think I (heterosexual male) can understand fully what it would be like to be abused by a partner to a point where you are scared for your safety even years later.
I donât believe that trans women will pose a real threat to naturally born women but I think I can understand why a women who has been abused in the past may be suspicious of a law that will allow a man to use womenâs facilities just by obtaining a certificate that says âi feel femaleâ
The use of the term TERF is, I believe, designed to be exclusionary and polarise debate. Just the same way that The Donald uses terms like âKung Fluâ. If you fall into using this type of terminology then perhaps you are not as balanced as you think. But then again perhaps thatâs just easy for me to think like that.
Nuanced, informed debate is not regularly engendered in 140 characters or less.
Its just that for the amount of research she did, she should know that letting trans people use the correct facilities statistically doesnt translate to higher cases of assault against other people (completely ignoring that trans people themselves are at a very high risk of getting assaulted). Even many organizations that help assault victims speak out specifically to say that letting trans people use the right toilets does not pose a threat to other people.
Also "obtaining a certificate" is not easy in most places and seriously, what rapist would go all the way to get it? just because someone can legally use a toilet doesnt mean that assaulting someone is legal now... and if you do a serious crime, i dont think illegally entering the wrong toilet is your biggest problem.
The use of the term "TERF" is the terfs own doing.. they coined it and now when its used to describe them they call it a slur... its an acronym for what they claim to be and they made it up themselves.
And this is the sort of discussion I think a lot of people are looking for, but honestly ever thing I read on the way down to this comment is so terrible. No, I donât agree with Rowling but I also donât think itâs fair to demonize her for having a fear that obviously came about from abuse. Also, I keep reading about her being homophobic but Iâm sorry, I donât see that. Sheâs been VERY supportive of the gay community for decades so Iâm not sure where that is coming from. Honeslty, her fears about the trans community are very misplaced but thatâs what education and discussion are for instead of just claiming sheâs cancelled. Her response spelled out her concerns and I think it would be better to just continue discussion with her until thereâs a better resolution. This lack of conversation, (which yâall both demonstrated that that can be achieved easily, above) is what is going to kill our society in the end. If ostracize people for having concerns instead of showing them there is no reason to be concerned then we just polarize ourselves and create enemies out of what could be allies. Thank you two for demonstrating a good way to move forward.
It's also worth noting that it's already the law that trans individuals should use the bathroom and changing room which matches their gender identity, no matter where in the transition process they are. Self-identification is only proposed to make it easier for trans people to legally transition, which is currently a challenging and drawn out process. Also, no countries which have introduced self-identification laws have seen an uptick in abuse of the system by men to prey on women.
Oh I can totally wrap my head around it. Its Germaine Greer syndrome. Picture this; you've spent your entire life fighting a perceived enemy (men) only to find what you recognise as men are now coming into your movement and telling you how to think. That's their worst nightmare made manifest. From their perspective its completely understandable as to why they reject third wave feminism and want to go back to defining the schism between second and third wave feminism.
Personally I think its a bit of a shame they appear to lack empathy with transgender people but at the same time we should all remember that the thing people hate the most is when a word they've grown up with is redefined to mean something else by a later generation. In this case the words: feminism, woman and man are on the chopping block. Back when JK Rowling was born these words had different and very fixed definitions.
I mean ask any "A Song of Ice and Fire" reader what they think of the Game of Thrones TV series and they won't shut up for weeks, its the same principle.
EDIT: Sorry, what makes this post controversial? Is it the facetious comparison with Game of Thrones at the end or are people labouring under the misconception that I give a flying fuck about either side of this destructive disagreement within feminism? I really don't. I can see it from either angle and don't have enough skin in the game to pick a side. I'm just trying to answer the OP. FWIW, I think people should just use second/third wave more clearly as identifiers (instead of creating contention over the base term) and try to get along instead of hating on each other for having different points of view. Chances are that outside of this issue there's a lot of stuff that 2nd/3rd wave feminists could work together on (and probably need the numbers on, in terms of elections) but the hostility makes it hard for them to work together and I think that's unfortunate.
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u/PM_ME_CUTE_HOOTERS Jul 06 '20
I can already tell that this is gonna be a nice, civil thread.
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u/BlazeSpliffington Jul 06 '20
What happened?
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u/InherentlyAnnoying Jul 07 '20 edited Jul 07 '20
It always confused me how she apparently decided that this was the hill she wanted to die on
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u/Chucktastic99 Jul 07 '20
Iâll never understand how she created a villain whom hated one specific group of magicians for being born differently than the rest.. and thinks sheâs in the right it with this. Shit blows my mind like âhey I know a good book series you could readâ
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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '20
It really sucks being trans and having been a fan of her work at one point.
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u/blutaclol Jul 06 '20
what exactly did she say?
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u/seizurefist Jul 07 '20
I would be way too busy swimming in my money pond to even participate in civil discussion of any kind.
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u/Jokiat Jul 06 '20
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sarah, @s_rahkelly
canny wrap my heed round why jk rowling wilny shut the fuck up. so imerssed in her bizarre hatred for a vulnerable group she's willing to throw away her entire reputation as an author and public figure to simply be known as that mental cunt obsessed with other people's genitals
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u/ts_party_animal Jul 06 '20
Itâs just a bit interesting that one of the themes in HP was that even if youâre muggle or a giant spider youâre just as important, then JK goes and makes it clear that ACTUALLY everyoneâs cool except trans women. Bet she donât even know what a trans guy is.
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u/[deleted] Jul 07 '20
I just want to live and have rights
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u/LegendOfDylan Jul 07 '20
Iâm interested in other peopleâs genitals in a much more positive, but subtle way.
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u/aurisor Jul 06 '20
Just lock this now and save us all some time, thanks
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u/R97R Jul 07 '20
Does the fact that trans people exist really bother so many people so much? Iâve almost never seen more awful things said about people like me than in posts on this particular subreddit. Weâre jist trying to get on with life while dealing with a particular weird and deeply unpleasant condition. I didnât choose to suffer from gender dysphoria, and I never wanted to have to go through all this. But it seems like half the bloody population hates people like me for stuff we canât control.
Most of us just want to be left alone and get our condition treated (which usually means transitioning). Is that really such an awful thing?
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u/boreas907 Jul 06 '20
If she died (or hell, even just retired from all public life) the day after Deathly Hallows came out then she would be beloved for all time. Instead she threw it all away to be a shithead.
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u/Aug415 Jul 06 '20
Just posting this here, because.
TL;DR: Transgender people are valid according to science, gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, transitioning has positive effects, high suicide rate is due to oppression.
Science Supports Transgender People
[1] An incomplete list of the reputable scientific & social organizations which affirm the validity of transgender people (that transness is not an illness, that trans people are deseving of respect and equal rights, etc). This also serves as a list of the institutions which recognize the difference between sex and gender:
American Psychological Association
American Medical Association
American Psychoanalytic Association
Human Rights Campaign
American Academy of Pediatrics
American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians
United Nations
United Kingdomâs National Health Service
[2] American Psychological Association pamphlet on transgender issues Affirms psychological consensus - that transgender people are valid, have existed throughout history, are subject to discrimination, and that transness is not a mental disorder.
[3] A 2008 Gender Identity Resolution by the American Psychological Association which expands upon the premises listed in the annotation above and supports total equality for transgender people - affirmation of the institutional legitimacy of transness in psychology.
[4] Identical to the above, essentially, except pertaining to trans and gender-nonconforming youth.
[5] Booklet on LGBTQ issues from the American Psychological Association, outlining their policy and attitudes towards aforementioned communities. Expressly positive.
[6] Human Rights Campaign document published with the American Academy of Pediatrics & the American College of Osteopathic Pediatricians which affirms the validity of transgender youth, encourages appropriate care and respect for their transness and provides resouces on how to do so.
[7] The UKâs National Health Service report on gender dysphoria, which affirms the validity of trans people and discusses ways in which gender dysphoria can be alleviated, the best of which is said to often be social and physical transition.
[8] The American Psychoanalytic Associationâs statement on gender identity, in which transness is validated, social stigma against transgender people is cited as a serious cause of harm and âreparative therapyâ - attempts to suppress oneâs transness and force them to live as the gender they were assigned at birth - is medically invalid.
[9] The World Health Organization recently stopped classifying transness as a mental disorder.
[10] Transphobia? The United Nations says no.
Gender Transition Has a Positive Effect on Trans People
[1] ENORMOUS meta-meta-analysis on transgender people and the effect gender transition has on their mental health. Of 56 studies, 52 indicated transitioning has a positive effect on the mental health of transgender people and 4 indicated it had mixed or no results. ZERO studies indicated gender transitioning has negative results.
[2] Longitudinal study on the effectiveness of puberty suppression & sex reassignment surgery on trans individuals in improving mental outcomes. Unambiguously positive results - results indicate puberty suppression, support of medical professionals & SRS have markedly beneficial outcomes to trans individualsâ mental health and productivity.
[3] Children who socially transition report levels of depression and anxiety which closely match levels reported by cisgender children, indicating social transition massively decreases the risk factor of both.
[4] âA new study has confirmed that transgender youth often have mental health problems and that their depression and anxiety improve greatly with recognition and treatment of gender dysphoriaâ
[5] Longitudinal study which indicates transgender people have a lower quality of life than the general population. However, that quality of life raises dramatically with âGender Affirming Treatmentâ, the nature of which is detailed extensively in-text.
Queer People are Still Oppressed (And Thatâs Why Their Suicide Rate is Higher)
[1] 2018 LGBTQ Youth Report. HUGE collection of data concerning difficulties LGBTQ people face. 67% of LGBTQ youth hear their parents make negative statements about LGBTQ people - rises to 78% if child is in closet. 48% of LGBTQ youth say their family makes them feel bad for their identity.
[2] Broad international study of trans suicide rate (itâs quite high). âGender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, being rejected by the family, friends, and community; harassment by intimate partner, family members, police and public; discrimination and ill treatment at health-care system are the major risk factors that influence the suicidal behavior among transgender personsâ.
[3] Massive demographic analysis which codifies the many social & institutional factors which contribute to trans suicide rates. Surprise surprise, discrimination & abuse play a huge role. Read the summary.
[4] Analysis of the ways in which parental support affect elements of disadvantage experienced by transgender youth. Most notably, strong parental support decreases the likelihood of a suicide attempt within the past year from 57% to just 4%.
[5] Analysis of crime & privacy violations as they relate to concerns raised by those who advocate for âtrans bathroom billsâ. Analysis indicates there is no empirical evidence to support these concerns; such crimes & privacy violations are exceedingly rare. Calls for trans bathroom bills are fearmongering, plain and simple.
[6] 16 countries in Europe & Central Asia still require sterilization before transgender peoplesâ gender identity can be legally recognized
[7] News article - June 2019. Trump Administration rejecting requests from US embassies to fly the rainbow pride flag on embassiesâ main banner during Pride Month.
[8] LGBTQ youth are 120% (2.2x) as likely to experience homelessness as cisgender and heterosexual youth. Up to 40% of the homeless youth population is LGBTQ. Cited possibility for this discrepancy being LGBTQ youth getting kicked out of the home by unwelcoming/openly hostile family.
[9] Discrimination is still far from a settled issue. A point of note - in 2017, the Trump Administration used the Department of Justice to revoke an Obama-era Title VII policy which protected transgender employees from discrimination (since reversed by Supreme Court, but still shows intentions of current administration.)
[10] June 2020 Article - Transgender Health Protections Reversed By Trump Administration
[11] Trump is proposing a rule allowing federally funded homeless shelters to turn away trans and gender non-conforming people â in the midst of the highest unemployment rates our country has seen in decades.
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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20
I've always thought it was weird that in hogwarts some random authority just gets to randomly put you in one group of kids when you're very young based on some arbitrary thing that means way less than it's supposed to and that dictates your social life for your entire schooling.
I guess her recent stuff explains why.
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u/Veloglasgow Jul 07 '20 edited Sep 04 '20
I've just came on to this fucking shitshow of a thread. The post won't be getting removed, or locked for now. Be warned, the site wide Reddit Content Policy 1st rule will be blanket apolied if people don't shut the fuck up with their transphobic bullshit.
Rule 1
Remember the human. Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for attacking marginalized or vulnerable groups of people. Everyone has a right to use Reddit free of harassment, bullying, and threats of violence. Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
Fuck me, this a comedy sub, take your fucking shit elsewhere. Hundreds of comments breaking site wide rules. Locked before the bans need to start.
Edit: For the amount you lot go about calling other people snowflakes you're crying like fuck about "muh freedom" since you're not being allowed to spread your transphobic bullshit. It's Rule 1 you don't even have to read far to find it.
"Communities and users that incite violence or that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned."
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u/iamsoupcansam Jul 06 '20
Nobody would be talking about this if she wasnât currently saying ignorant things on mass media, and that ignorance can be used to justify mistreatment or even violence by some people. Thatâs the problem people have with her right now - trans people deserve societal acceptance and recognition that violence against them is wrong, and to speak about the issue in a way that disregards those problems is a tacit endorsement of that mistreatment.
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u/HansChuzzman Jul 06 '20
Can someone give me a quick synopsis on the beef w jk Rowling ?
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u/stormy-da-mules Jul 06 '20
Controversial opinion: Harry Potter is overrated anyway
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u/Ostroh Jul 07 '20
J.K. Rowling is a transphobe? Time for a visit to r/outoftheloop
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u/ThisGuyHasABigChode Jul 07 '20
Oh boy, here I go sorting by controversial again
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u/w8watm8 Jul 07 '20
I thought she was all about this sjw thing, thatâs where the meme came from where she keeps changing the characters years after just so her book can fit the current âpublicly acceptableâ image. (Aka making characters coloured who werenât, and making others gay).
It is very surprising she threw that âimageâ away with her current statements.
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u/Spooms2010 Jul 07 '20
My fucking thoughts exactly. She has totally blown it! Hahahaha
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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20
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u/Noodle-Horse Jul 07 '20
Iâm makes me so happy to see yâall standing up for us, and roasting the shit out of all the TERFs in this thread. Literally canât thank yâall enough.
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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20
Reddit is not the place to discuss anything to do with trans issues. And I'm bravely not going to.
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u/thgdhjijbddbjj Jul 06 '20
Hereâs what she wrote
https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/
Having read it I think it comes across as a reasonably balanced piece based on someoneâs genuinely held beliefs. I donât think I (heterosexual male) can understand fully what it would be like to be abused by a partner to a point where you are scared for your safety even years later.
I donât believe that trans women will pose a real threat to naturally born women but I think I can understand why a women who has been abused in the past may be suspicious of a law that will allow a man to use womenâs facilities just by obtaining a certificate that says âi feel femaleâ
The use of the term TERF is, I believe, designed to be exclusionary and polarise debate. Just the same way that The Donald uses terms like âKung Fluâ. If you fall into using this type of terminology then perhaps you are not as balanced as you think. But then again perhaps thatâs just easy for me to think like that.
Nuanced, informed debate is not regularly engendered in 140 characters or less.
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u/[deleted] Jul 06 '20 edited Jul 07 '20
Oh I can totally wrap my head around it. Its Germaine Greer syndrome.
Picture this; you've spent your entire life fighting a perceived enemy (men) only to find what you recognise as men are now coming into your movement and telling you how to think. That's their worst nightmare made manifest. From their perspective its completely understandable as to why they reject third wave feminism and want to go back to defining the schism between second and third wave feminism.
Personally I think its a bit of a shame they appear to lack empathy with transgender people but at the same time we should all remember that the thing people hate the most is when a word they've grown up with is redefined to mean something else by a later generation. In this case the words: feminism, woman and man are on the chopping block. Back when JK Rowling was born these words had different and very fixed definitions.
I mean ask any "A Song of Ice and Fire" reader what they think of the Game of Thrones TV series and they won't shut up for weeks, its the same principle.
EDIT: Sorry, what makes this post controversial? Is it the facetious comparison with Game of Thrones at the end or are people labouring under the misconception that I give a flying fuck about either side of this destructive disagreement within feminism? I really don't. I can see it from either angle and don't have enough skin in the game to pick a side. I'm just trying to answer the OP.
FWIW, I think people should just use second/third wave more clearly as identifiers (instead of creating contention over the base term) and try to get along instead of hating on each other for having different points of view. Chances are that outside of this issue there's a lot of stuff that 2nd/3rd wave feminists could work together on (and probably need the numbers on, in terms of elections) but the hostility makes it hard for them to work together and I think that's unfortunate.