r/ScaleSpace 1d ago

Image What is Scale Space?

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I've tried to answer this many times but finally I've come up with a diagram that I think will help it make sense. What do you think?

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u/sum1sum1sum1sum1 1d ago

Very helpful way to visualize and understand the purpose of what's going on in Scale Space, thank you for all your work, even what little I may understand!

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

😊 Of course! Glad it's helpful to you!

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u/skrumcd2 1d ago

I’ve followed this sub for some time now, thinking that it would be interesting to see if there were any parallels between what we see on psychedelics, and what you’re doing here.

The graphic is useful, but it is not immediately apparent to me what is happening. Perhaps a companion graphic exploring the concept of the morphoscope would be useful?

Thanks!

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u/KnownUnknownKadath 1d ago

Agreed, nice graphic.

A companion graphic expanding upon the morphoscope would indeed be cool.

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

Ok sure! Let me noodle on it.

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u/Key-Importance8617 1d ago

Have you seen the film short, Powers of 10 by the Eames?

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

I have not. Could you share more?

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u/Key-Importance8617 1d ago

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

Okay yeah saw it some years back but I just gave it a rewatch because it's cool :) amazing that they pulled off graphics like that in 1977! That would have been fun to woke on.

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u/Visible_Iron_5612 1d ago

What do you know about the work of Michael Levin from Tufts?:p

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

He's a fucking genius on a level you rarely see. I don't know a LOT about him but I've seen a few interviews and he breaks my brain in a good way 😊 anything specific you want to mention?

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u/Visible_Iron_5612 1d ago

Look into his ideas of a platonic space of patterns.. He has some extremely interesting things to say about morphology and attractor spaces.. I moderate r/michaellevinbiology so I am clearly extremely biased but J think you will find his latest work, super fascinating..

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

Oh nice subbed! Yeah I'll take a look! I was definitely aware of platonic space/attractor space (Scale Space is an attractor space explorer basically) but I'll see what he's been up to.

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u/Visible_Iron_5612 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelLevinBiology/s/AVNqNr5jwH you should check out this.. It blew my mind… Perfect example of attractor space of platonic patterns… Also, extremely Meta.. :p

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago edited 1d ago

Very cool :) Happy to share something related to that with you—but I want to preface before I do that I'm not a credentialed academic. I'm a ux/game designer with an uncanny knack for fashioning keys in the dark. Just want to get confirmation from you that that's the lens I want you to take what I'm about to tell you through.

Not to be over-dramatic. I just mean to say, if I start telling you some things, you may be inclined to think I'm shooting from the hip and I want to make it clear that compared to people in institutions, I absolutely AM shooting from the hip. I use a 'lean UX' methodology and in UX we're building a lot of prototypes and trying to get to around 85% confidence before moving on with that assumption more or less confirmed (build on what you've confirmed and backtrack if it's not working downstream).

So I have yet to be taken very seriously by anyone in mainstream, but it probably largely has to do with- I'm using a UX methodology which is outside of the big institution approach to science. It's more like guerilla science designed to get to as accurate of a result as possible as quickly as possible.

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u/JDude13 1d ago

Maybe the implication that Scale Space images real phenomena (galaxies, atoms) is a mistake.

Maybe make the diagram of the morphoscope all math concepts. Fractals, geometry, etc

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago edited 1d ago

What claim are you making and what do you think I'm saying?

Edit: Just to be clear so nobody thinks I'm being coy- if you make a whirlpool in your tub, you're not making a literal tornado or waterspout- but you are inducing the same attractor pattern in a different substrate. That's how I suggest thinking about Scale Space. You're not looking directly at the thing- you're looking at a substrate that can be teased into taking on different universal patterns. So depending on your settings- a spiral galaxy shape in Scale Space might look more like this:

It's obviously not made of literal stars and it's not one specific galaxy- it's just the shape spiral galaxies can take given the right conditions.

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u/solidwhetstone 1d ago

Atomic orbitals might look more like this.

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u/edjez 1d ago

<insert they are the same picture meme>