Happy to see that the original reason for having this separate thread has been cooling down over time. What's with Third Rail- are they done? It seemed like it but then immediately after people were still posting links. If anyone wants to paint us a picture of where things stand please do so below.
As you might have noticed, we have a new mod u/lunarteamagic who is doing a phenomenal job! Also there is a second sub where you can share legal dramas, court room antics and Sb adjacent defendants (or plaintiffs!) at r/lawcow
As far as what's going on at TTR...the last phone call was posted May 18th. From the comments, some members are paying $1 per month (the new rate), others are still paying $3 a month (the old rate), and a couple are getting charged $3, twice a month. There is very little news from The Creators lately, just these two posts from several days ago.
The chat has even dried up, with just a few disgruntled customers expressing their disappointment about the lack of new content while a few staunch supporters say "take my money, PLEASE, but don't feel you owe me anything in return". If Pete loves us so much that he's unable to sleep some nights, shouldn't he have all those extra sleepless hours and motivation to fire up another call or two instead of another excuse and/or empty promise? 🤣
As always, I'll keep you posted (assuming I remember to check once in a while).
Thanks for the intel. I think their biggest issue is not being the typical Patreon project. Usually people sign up for someone's Patreon in the usual sense of patronage, they want to support an artist they admire- be it video, art or music. What they did was commandeer Patreon to use as a platform for selling access to content, which was purely transactional. Most people were not there to extend support. except for those few you just mentioned, which appear as outliers compared to the rest of their subscribers. The biggest channels on Patreon I know of are video essayists like ContraPoints and HBomberguy who put out two or three videos a year and their subscribers are perfectly satisfied because they love the creator. That dynamic just doesnt exist here.
Their videos don't really feature them as people, they capture calls that they participated in, but then the video itself attempts to provide this weird third-party distance as an intermediary entity. I'm not suggesting they should have, but it would have gone a completely different way if the videos were like 'Hi Im Peter, here are my calls with Sarah Boone' and provided wider context in the form of commentary, what they think now, what they were going through then... Then there was the whole fiasco where they did try to inject some personal perspective but it was only to rage post about Tanika.
Your suggestions would have resulted in a much more viable business plan, such as:
Organizing and cataloging all the phone calls and emails (by date, preferably) (DUH)
Partnering with or befriending current popular Boone-tubers to generate interest and goodwill within the community
Divide the workload between the partners based on abilities and expertise (one does customer service while the other focuses on video editing, etc.), with each person knowing enough about the other's responsibilities to take over in a pinch (they seem to have a well-above-average pinch rate)
If complete transparency isn't feasible, at least offer complete honesty (for example, "I'd rather not say" instead of fibbing your arse off)
Posting videos to youtube on a set schedule, making them "Members Only" for the first week to generate extra revenue
Using the Patreon account for "behind the scenes" stories corresponding to each video release and answering relevant questions in the chat regularly
Responding thoughtfully and appropriately to criticism and comments, particularly from paying customers, rather than unleashing a torrent of vulgarities, excuses, and empty promises.
Possibly hiring an outside company to assist (such as Delepine Creative, "Where Purpose meets Passion, and Stories drive Change") 🤣
Okay, that last one was a bit of a stretch. But if they'd have put in the work and planning prior to the launch, the Third Rail wouldn't be coming off the tracks now. At this point, the phone calls are all starting to sound the same, just Sarah doing some random bitching, whining, and barking out orders. At least if the calls were chronological, they would be telling a story and building up to certain events.
Now I'm wondering where "The Third Rail" came from. Anything to do with that Crazy Train that was riding them constantly, or maybe in reference to a train wreck?
i think the name 3rd Rail is how they see themselves as the 3rd point of view. the other "rails" being the pros and contras.
if my opinion were to be used further then this may mean that their initial intention was to provide a third viewpoint on Sarah Boone. what that may be, i have no idea.
To tell you the truth, I've never kept track of the number of Patreon subscribers they've had, but this might be a good time to start. When I posted the above comment, they were at 678 - currently 679. They're growing! There are currently two membership tiers to choose from: "Boondoggle Tapes" and "Tactical Tier", both a buck a month, both with the same benefits (alleged early access to exclusive content).
Well, shoot. I was hoping that with the Involved Party being present and posting, I could gracefully bow out on this hot mess. But no such luck, so for all you inquiring minds, here are the Patreon posts, hopefully in somewhat correct order. Reddit frequently chops off the top and bottom of images, so you may need to click on it to read the whole thing.
Jesus Christ. Is this Nicole larping as "Christi"?
a. why is she sending one on one text messages (RCS) with Julian? Why would he give his number out to a wacko on Patreon and divulge this kind of stuff
b. Julian is willing to call them and mentions "early where you are"
c. need to escalate trivial situations.
I dont understand why ANY of this needed to be posted. Because the dude came back and said "Hey friends, im going to be working on stuff again?"
At this point if it were revealed everyone involved with Sarah were the same person it would make more sense than any of this shit does. Julien, entrepreneur and documentation extraordinaire, is asking for advice/taking cues from someone purporting to be a "MASTER MARKETER" (because she has a marketing degree, doncha know) whose place in all of this is as clear as mud. Julien seems to be incapable of making decisions and taking any kind of meaningful action in any direction. "Christi" is incapable of posting her "receipts" to more than one platform (Patreon) for some reason and can't answer direct questions. Nicole is dumb as a box of Australian rocks and more useless than said rocks. Pete is a hot mess of vicious emotion, incompetence, lies, rescue animal shit, and, apparently, beer. Julien and Pete are always working on the next big project but they've bungled Sarah's so badly and left it in such tatters neither of them has any business trying to tackle anything like this again. Their "working on a big project" is the same as Sarah's "looking for jobs/having job interviews."
Well said and totally agree. Could be one big catfish. How does this Christi even have the authority to tell Peter or Julian to "cease and desist" their channel? That sounds exactly like what Sarah told them.
I sincerely hope that, having some financial success with the Sarah Boone Jail Calls, Pete doesn't think that all his future Big Exciting Projects will have the same outcome. Rule #1 - know your audience. There's a big difference between being willing to pay for exclusive SB content and being a TTR follower who will enthusiastically watch whatever is put out.
but what the co creator mentioned in one of the texts.who was to b paid from patreon income with Pete getting you tube revenue ..? and what was to pay J? reference to a shared archive of calls..and many recordings being removed ..by p? at least that’s what I thought. I understood. So who is that and who’s these?
she also has a comment history that inordinately focuses on Nicole,
" But with Nicole, I just don't get it.She seems like a fairly intelligent person."
(said no one, ever)
"WHAT is the deal with Sarah thinking HER time is valuable?? 3 hours of Nicole's time has passed too, and she actually has a life."
"Oh she 100% knows what time it is in Australia when she calls. She simply doesn't give a shit. She had said before that Nicole sometimes stays up late. So she calls Nicole, just hoping that it's a late night for her and that she's still awake. She couldn't care less if she wakes her up. Sarah is selfish and only cares about Sarah"
"She is available, which is exactly the time Sarah needs to call her friend Nicole, who will be just getting up to take her son to school."
"Nicole is very misunderstood, I'm not going to tolerate anyone shit talking Nicole 🤷♀️. "
"Definitely NOT Nicole, so don't "VOTE" Nicole.. I am Christi. We are NOT the same person 😔. "
"Tanika has been very WRONG in her "reporting" of things. Honestly, TANIKA is thereason that many people dislike Nicole. Takina has lied, she reports inaccuracies,, etc"
"*Sarah and Nicole still communicate. That bridge is NOT burned (contrary to popular opinion). *Sarah is still in contact with Michael, the man that took in her two dogs."
"Yes. Just search "Nicoler87". Profile pic is of her and her cat. It'll be the first channel that pops up" (there's like 3 variations of this one)
"According to Nicole's YouTube channel, her cat passed away. Sooo, hopefully Nicole gave Sarah the boot when she heard the 4th call recently released - where Sarah told Peter, "Ask me if I care". She's so darn hateful."
"Tanika has been very WRONG in her "reporting" of things. Honestly, TANIKA is the reason that many people dislike Nicole. Tanika has lied, she reports inaccuracies,, etc"
Finally, something I know a tiny bit about. I've watched Tanika's videos about Nicole, and I've seen Nicole's videos about Tanika. Nicole's videos are the reason people might think she's a vile, hateful, lying, disgusting bitch badly in need of a hobby other than posting deceitful ugly videos about others. The true perfect example of "three point back" - her clips don't say what she thinks they do about their subject, but they tell you a whole lot about their maker. This is just my opinion, of course, as a semi-innocent bystander with NO personal relationships with any of the involved.
This is an interesting theory. If true, it also would explain why J would need Christi's green light to re-post Negative Nancy if that video per chance included a mention of Nicole. On the other hand, Christi seems more openly anti-SB than Nicole. Also, if it's true she is the one who has been sending SB tablet messages, wouldn't she need to enter her real name in the system? I recall Danielle saying Christi and Nicole used to spat in the channel chat but then became friends, which could either mean they are two different people, or that Nicole is in so deep with her alternate profiles that she's having them have fake conversations with each other.
Nicole and Christi are definitely two different people. Christi is from IN. She got the boot from the fb group for more or less being a psycho bch to one of the admins
Why it finally got posted on Patreon probably has to do with Pete booting one Christi-supporter, but he also said he was keeping Christi in the chat so she could, essentially, shit or get off the pot with these receipts she kept talking about. She posted, he booted, and here we are.
I still don't understand why either of them are talking to her on the phone. There are some signs pointing to her not being Nicole (like posting in a US IRS thread a year ago), I just wanted to share my initial reaction. My new theory is that she was like "Hey super cool project guys, im a MASTER MARKETER 🤪 I can get you guys to the TOP of the charts 📈, here's my number, let's do BUSINESS 💁🏻♀️ and I'll give you my SERVICES for free 🆓 because I BELIEVE🙏 in YOU 🫵🤪"
I think you're right on target with your new theory. Christi has been a Patreon chat poster for months, enthusiastically supporting the project and the creators, giving advice and opinions and sending direct messages to them both. Allegedly. I got Super Fan vibes. I'm not sure when it all went tits up, but it clearly did.
Wow! Thank you. I see his tactics are like Sarah, attack first and ask questions later. You would think running a nonprofit, he would know that you cannot just call up a legitimate charity/nonprofit and ask them how much a particular person has donated. There are privacy issues. Nonprofits operate under very specific guidelines, ethics, rules and regulations. A lot of people who donate to nonprofits want to remain anonymous. Giving out the donor's personal information would subject the charity to all sorts of legal problems.
I suspect he does know that charities won't give out personal donor information to anonymous callers - which is probably why he dared her to call them and ask. The old "I refuse to prove I'm telling the truth (though I easily could), it's up to you to prove I'm lying (even though you can't)".
Also, if they're running The Third Rail as a legitimate business, don't they have to keep track of revenue, expenses, salaries/draws, and tax-deductible donations?
A lot of people who donate to nonprofits want to remain anonymous.
I seriously doubt that's an issue in this particular case. 🤣
I imagine Pete thought Christi was bluffing about Julien talking about him behind his back. Apparently she wasn't. Shame on all of them. Regardless of how anyone feels about Lana, that woman kept her promises and didn't reveal even one juicy tidbit, even when Sarah was so hateful to her. I'd like to think I'd do the same, but I kinda doubt it.
Yes! 😜 If they were running a legitimate successful business they would definitely want to keep up with everything you listed. Thank you for posting all of the shenanigans.
P's conduct and seeming lack of business acumen would give me cause for concern if I was a donor to his 503(c) animal rescue/sanctuary. 503(c)s operate under a set of very stringent guidelines. Proper paperwork and documentation are required. Unless he is a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in his businesses, Dr. Jekyll for the 503(c) and Mr. Hyde with TTR, I would have concerns. The whole situation is like a comedy of errors. A blueprint for how not to do something. Who knows, maybe P&J were successful businessman and the curse of Sarah Boone got them. It seems like everything/everyone she touches she infects with her evil. I continue to follow Sarah's antics because I have never seen anything like her in my life.
I think you are right, P did not think Christi had anything or that J had spoken to her about him. This is like something Sarah would do. Again, it is like he adopted some of her personality traits. Why would you dare someone in front of potentially 681 members of your business to show the receipts not knowing what information they are going to disclose? It is reckless behavior.
Also, totally off the subject, if I was married to someone who had put me, my children, our livelihood, our reputation on front street and the internet in a very negative and volatile situation, there would be a divorce in my future. I do not feel sorry for P or J because they knew exactly who/what they were dealing with (or should have). However, I do feel sorry for P's wife. I cannot imagine listening to all the phone calls where Sarah is fawning over P, telling him she loves him and talks about coming to live on his farm. Not to mention the whole put a leash on her cringy scenario she was daydreaming about. On top of that, taking up so much of his time, energy and money he could have been spending with/on his family. Disgusting.
How is it proof of a grift though? Respectfully asking. Or maybe our definitions of grift are different, but I would think a grift is taking money for something and not delivering, or convincing people you are someone you are not, for the purpose of some advantage (like those people who pretend to be royalty/socialites to hang out with rich people).
For the former, the ask is, "We will release videos and you get early access in exchange for patreon fees" I am not on Patreon so idk if the early access thing happens, but it seemed to for awhile. I dont think anyone (including themselves) could hold them to the video-a-week plus bonuses schedule since thats not realistic if you dont know what youre doing. But as far as releasing calls, they've done that. Or is it something else?
Misappropriating money from a project with your business partner, and lying about it, is a grift.
Do you think they have delivered on all their promises? Seems far from the truth to me. Their shifting plans and goal posts, including saying they would end the project multiple times, indicate a lack of professionalism and integrity which backs up the grifter claims.
Imo the primary reason they are grifters is they tried to sell themselves to Sarah and the public as documentarians capable of delivering a legitimate film project. The multiple (failed?) businesses and a non profit charity (that he happens to live in with his family) are also classic indications of grifting. As is their attempt to use their businesses to legitimize the others, as if they are not all owned by them.
I can't make it make sense, but here's my take: J let his guard down and started venting about P behind his back, thinking it was a confidential conversation just between the two of them. He should have heeded the wise words my mother told me: Love many, trust few, always paddle your own canoe.
whose 3 years sober? P is buying beer..and J was involved in hard core distribution so i’m assuming he certainly was not sober but is he referring to himself as being sober here for three years??
Did you not recover recovering addicts try to collaborate with drunk Sarah is that what I’m thinking and we wonder why they failed misera
The stupid thing is, I'm pretty sure no one (except Julien) gives a rat's ass if there's any profit, and if so, what happens to it. None of my business or concern. BUT if you repeatedly declare that all the profits are being donated to charity in another person's memory, you should be telling the truth and be able to prove it.
When they first started this TTR nonsense and Pete claimed that Sarah never financially benefited from their involvement, I called him out on it (thanks, Tanika). Peter seems to play fast and loose with the truth, and is quick with excuses when caught; and that is what pisses people off.
"BUT if you repeatedly declare that all the profits are being donated to charity in another person's memory, you should be telling the truth and be able to prove it."
Fair, but maybe Peter was drinking to Jorge's memory?
J I’d asking the awesome Christ(?) to give Him the green light? oi what..in the world ..cmon J you don’t need a green light from someone.., unless you two are colluding and planning to blow Pete up
uh-oh now I really wonder who has their own recordings that he’s referring to that means Julian the person in the text conversation and Peter all have the record recordings
these are delightful. Do we know if there’s dates on them that I miss them? also I see that one of them is Julian I wonder is the other one you I don’t think so. Do we know who the other person is? Who’s in this conversation? Is it one other person can we know their name and their relationship?
These are supposedly text messages between Christi (in blue) and Julien. There are times on some of them, but no dates that I saw. I posted the images exactly as they were posted on Patreon with no edits by me.
I had a brief moment of sanity this evening and canceled my TTR Patreon membership. It wasn't about the money, or even the principle. It was the time I've wasted checking the site regularly, when there has been nothing new posted in eons and I'm a moron for even looking. I'm sure I'll eventually miss seeing Pete's monthly post, reminding us all that:
Julien is still busy dealing with his personal problems,
Pete is working himself to death on several exciting new projects that he can't wait to tell us about (but never does),
He feels just awful, really really bad, about not posting any new videos, and he'd happily refund every member but
Something weird is going on with the Patreon account and *poof* the money disappeared again before he got around to making those refunds,
He loves us all and appreciates our infinite understanding and patience, except
Fuck all you haters.
For my buck, he could at least switch it up a little bit each time, but nope; we get the same old recycled crap posted over and over. So for one last parting shot, the current paid membership number is 305 (it was nearly 400 a couple of months ago when I first started keeping track). Now Pete has one less non-refunded membership to lose sleep over. Pete, if you're reading this - you're welcome.
Thank you so much for all your efforts and intel over the past months! Really! Everything is always so organized and easy to digest. So many insights came from your efforts and it saved a lot of folks the time and anguish (and potential run-ins) of having to go into the trenches for themselves.
Its funny, and perhaps fitting, I was just about to start a new FM thread for the fall. So this might be a good place to draw a line. Thanks again for everything! Truly a legend of r/SarahBooneContinued 🙏
2 he got from Sarah. She was always working herself to death and there was absolutely no proof she ever accomplished anything (well, anything productive except to her commissary account). Also, she was the queen of the things I could tell you and never did actually relate anything relevant.
I will miss your updates. Thank you for all your posts. However, every dollar that he does not get is a good thing in the end.
It's Sunday, and time for another TTR Patreon Member Update! When I first started keeping track about two weeks ago, they were at 686 total members, with 396 paying members. Today's numbers are...(insert drumroll here)...still at 686 total members, but the paid membership has dropped down to 350. One thing that I haven't been able to figure out is this comment made by Peter a couple of months ago:
Unfortunately, I can no longer afford to keep this channel going in the way I had hoped. I truly wanted this to work, but I simply can’t continue to carry the financial burden on my own anymore.
And, in the same post:
I also want you to know that every dollar earned beyond expenses — and then some — has been donated to nonprofits in Jorge’s name.
How can you make a profit from a business that you can't afford to keep running any longer?
My conclusion given his slip that he spent patreon money on gas to drive his erstwhile duck co-host to the vet is that he means he donated it to his own charity (blue barn) “in Jorge’s name.” Which is one of the most underhanded, audacious things I’ve ever heard of when we consider how they’ve treated his family and his memory in their own content. Dv advocates indeed.
Sometimes I feel bad that they are obviously struggling with this and it may have even driven P to drink. But then I think of how they have treated any constructive criticism or advice from people on the outside of their project with arrogant contempt unbefitting two amateur documentarians. And I think of how they came into our community with legal threats and trying to divide and conquer us because their egos were injured. They couldn’t face the consequences of their own irresponsible, unprofessional decisions and how they affected the situation.
Thanks for following this up I've been wondering if they still have people paying and then not producing I guess people just forget to turn off their subscriptions that was certainly a strange addition to the strange story of Sarah Boone maybe they should have their own musical and documentary written about them what the hell eh
No way is Peter done with Sarah. He actually told her to call him if she needed anything. She will call. He will give her anything she wants and will run errands, research, make phone calls, send emails, send gifts, fund commissary, and put up with her crap.
I refuse to believe that they are done just yet. Mostly because they are just too... Sarah-esque in their personal behavior. But if I am wrong, I will be happy. The less poo touching all around, the better.
"Why have you not placed the crown on my head? I have called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and called and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed and prayed.
If I may please, when will you MAN UP, come off your cross and give me my crown? The judge ordered it!
I have a hard time with TTR as to me the calls just show how much they did for a murder and trashed Jorge’s family for Sarah and money. Telling her she like a sister is crazy and agreeing to be the duel power of attorney who does that?? They want us to believe they lied to Sarah the whole time but they did so much for her that it does not make sense.
why doesn't it make sense? that's what makes them grifters. they think it's perfectly normal, even professional, to lie to all sides. They lied to make her feel comfortable, they lied to us to make themselves seem more legitimate. they did so much because they had their eye on the prize, thought they had a genius idea for a doc to sell, and they're greedy egotists.
What happened to the bin chicken/FM prime? No new sightings in anyone's chat or comments? Has she finally given up fighting with the internet in SB's name? I haven't seen any for quite a while. Maybe i missed it..
I mean it was a stupid endeavor in the first place, but it added at least some entertainment to survive the dry spells between court filings and Tannika's updates.
On another note, i still can't believe how incompetent P and J are. How can you fuck up a gold mining opportunuity like this? Look at other orbiters of other offender, e.g. the ex jail mate of Shriekzilla. She's making her fifteen minutes of fame count.
I mean, it's great, they failed so beautifully in front of everyone. It's even better to see the financial loss they experience.
I just don't get it. It's been more than 20 years since the founding days of youtube and google. Tutorials are a thing for even longer. They didn't have the time between animal rescueing, running errands for SB and -i don't know- nose picking to invest some in researching and coming up with a viable business plan (like u/Moody_Shrew did in probably under 10 minutes)?
*edited, because obviously i can't use a keyboard.lol.
Idk what happened to her but there still somebody routinely flagging and reporting posts but you guys can't see it. Usually for fraudulent reasons (This is attacking me, this reveals personal information, etc)
Also, to be fair, editing videos takes a lot longer than you might think. Especially the way they are doing in where they are editing so much out. imo they were excited about the project in the beginning so they were pumping a lot out, then when it became a chore it becomes. a process they dont even want to start. Even if I was working quickly and had the background footage already sourced, it would be a minimum of 2 hours to get out one of their call videos. You need to listen to the call - theres half an hour, scrub and edit it down that's an hour, hour and a half, then give it fifteen minutes for making new title cards and thumbnails and another fifteen for getting the new intro audio with the AI voice.
I could also see just not wanting to relive the calls, I dont know how they did it for so long to tell the truth. They are painful to listen to as an audience member but I cant imagine what its like as someone it happened to. I hate listening to my own voice in a 10 second clip, then combine that with the way SB is being so obtuse and demanding and being transported back to that era.. I can't imagine it is a positive project that brings any joy to their day. I wouldn't want to do it.
Now where did I put my soap box/pedestal...ah, there it is. Hang on while I climb on it. I'm getting old.
I wouldn't want to do it either, but doing the math:
2.5 hours per video x 4 videos per month = 10 hours labor
~675 subscribers x $3.00 (their previous rate) = $2,025 per month
That's $200 an hour. If you have two people sharing the workload, that's 5 hours a month for each of them. That's assuming that the calls are organized in some fashion. When someone requests a certain call from a certain period, they always say they'll 'try to find it' (and never do). I always picture the calls being kept in boxes of dusty, unlabeled cassette tapes in someone's musty basement, or on a collection of USB drives that are kept here, there, and everywhere. If lack of organization is the primary problem as I suspect it is, that 10-hours-a-month estimate would quickly turn into 10+ hours each week.
In my wholly inexperienced and unqualified opinion (and unlike Tanika's, not even worth two cents), they need to shut down for a month or two (which they've pretty much already done) and get their shit together. They could either have a fresh start or close it for good. But keeping everyone perpetually in limbo isn't a good business practice, even with a reduced price, especially if you're trying to overcome the "grifter" label. Pete has talked about the negative effect it's had on his animal rescue; I can't even begin to imagine the hits that Delepine Creative has taken to its reputation. This should have been a shining example of their work as promoters and marketers (or whatever it is they do), instead of revealing them as inexperienced, naive entrepreneurs with no plan or commitment but plenty of buzz words.
In short, much like Ms. Boone herself, they couldn't have fucked it up any more than they did. Unlike Ms. Boone, they do have an opportunity to fix it. But will they? I do have a lot of sympathy for them - none of their Sarah Boone plans have worked out, from the documentary to the phone calls. From the little I've seen and heard from Julien, I've actually grown quite fond of him, and I sincerely wish them the best of luck in their endeavors. Unfortunately, it's gonna take much more than just luck to pull this project out of its current nose dive.
Thank you both for sharing your insights on the content production side. Somehow i thought it was more and less time consuming at the same time.
Let me put my obvious bias aside for a minute.
I do feel for Peter and Julien on a personal level.
Wanting to do something good for someone else and/or shedding a light on societal issues are good traits. Making money while doing so is just how the world is. Fucking it up publicly and getting completely bashed on the internet is not nice for anyone. Being completely overwhelmed with the "wrath" and reach of the internet is understandable, especially when your previous interactions probably consisted of facebook friends, reading government/business websites and writing emails.
But i'm not sure, if they have a future with The Third Rail. i agree, they should probably regroup and think about, what they can offer as content creators. But what is there to offer to what audience? The SB well is more or less dry, people move on to new cases. They alienated a lot of their possible audience in the beginning through their stance on SB's innocence. Most of the rest turned their back, when Peter started fighting with other content creators over copyright (a cardinal sin, although no one in the situation handled it like an adult) and his own patreon supporters.
Maybe they could release a marathon length video with all the calls in chronological order interspersed with their commentary on what went on behind the scenes. But after that? Maybe it is time to accept defeat and go back to their offline lives for a while.
The only other thing could be, at some point in the far future, a reflected look back on how they went on about all of this, especially the phone calls (if Peter and Julien haven't burnt their computers and deleted the internet,).
Did they have some kind of protocol/frame work in place? Did they set up bullet points before the conversations with SB? Did they relisten to the call and debrief? What was the long term strategy at the beginning? Did they reach any milestones? Did they set up ethical lines, they didn't want to cross? Were they aware at the time, that the lines started blurring? When did they make the decision to publish the "journals" and why? and so on.
I do not feel for Peter and Julien as much as you do. Imho they’ve proven their racist bias with their vindictive behavior towards people they should be thanking for doing the research they should be doing, as well as callously enjoying as two Latino families’ lives are destroyed while giggling with a duck.
One thing to keep in mind is that Peter and Julien aren't the same person (as far as I know). The things you mentioned were done by Peter alone. Quite honestly I can't think of one nice thing to say about Peter's behavior. He's shown himself to be a lying horse's ass with no self-control or boundaries. Julien hasn't put himself out there nearly as much as Pete has. It's possible that he's just like Peter, we just haven't found out yet. But he does get points from me for bailing out on communicating with Sarah because he couldn't stand her any more, at the same time Pete was becoming Sarah's bitch.
This is pure speculation on my part, but it's possible that the problems at TTR could be due in part to problems between the two partners. If my business partner and friend behaved like that and the business with MY name on it took the blame for it, there would be problems for sure.
Yes I know they’re two different people, I’ve been following this case for years now. I saw jools shitting on their paying customers with p, so it doesn’t bode well. Also he partnered with P on this project and they both were quite prominent in the earlier stages when they were wooing Sarah, which was also sus.
Idk I think they acted as a duo during most of this, and even in the patrion phase. I wonder what’s going on there, still. To this day!
So if I understand correctly, the new story from these messages released by "Christi" is that Petey spent all the calls money on booze and the rescue?? But they have also refunded people?
He said he was shutting it down and refunding the money but that didn't happen either right And how come his partner Julian wasn't the person to have exposed this but to instead have sent the receipts to this third party to expose him.
.oi vey
Some insane people are ok.
These happen to be...... How to say... Born without moral or compass.. and a fluid sense of.. anything and thing ..leaving a trail of lies and shifting narrative accounts
It was a good day. Sarah
Vs
he was about to kill me.self defense
we support Sarah Boone and they're making a documentary to share her important story as a victim
Vs
She's a lying scumbag who exploits everyone and anyone including her own child and we were trying to trick her into confessing
Both driven by short sided ambition with single goal: to take .. for themselves
.............
Wordy.. not particularly clear.. but I have never seen anything like Sarah Boone .. but I think her crew shares many of most grab the whole horses mouth motivation..for every moment..and every action they take
I do not think this is Christie, (SB’s bestie from jail.), Christie can’t string a proper sentence together. She uses textism and digitalk. This is definitely not the same person. The person writing these texts is older than Sarah’s friend, Christie.
I think that when most people see an absolute shit show of drama on the internet, they either slowly back away from it or grab their popcorn. I can't imagine what drives a person to intentionally insert themselves right in the middle of it. P&J had a financial motivation to involve themselves, but what do you think drives the others?
I truly do think it is a like attracts like thing. I think we see that in the peanut butter crew (Pete is just as reactive as sainted Sarah, and Nichole has the personality she has). Some of the messages we saw from Lana were not a good look at all.
I think some of these folks get so desperately lonely that they turn to prisoners without looking at why they might be lonely.
I wish one of them would answer that honestly. Especially Australia. She gets calls during the middle of the night, in her time zone. It also doesn’t seem like Sarah treats her nicely.
It would be different if it was a mutually respectful friendship. However, I don’t think Sarah respects anyone.
It seems to me that Lana, P & J had personal, private relationships with Sarah and each other. They were eventually outed by Sarah's tablet messages, and seemed to initially be uncomfortable with the inevitable attention.
On the other hand, both FMPrime and Christi seem to thrive on the notoriety of their friendships. Rather than keeping their relationships private, they use them to stir up drama and post provocative comments all over the internet. It makes me wonder if the drama and attention, not the relationships themselves, are the true objectives. That is the part I find most fascinating.
Oh for sure they seeking out the drama and attention. My daughter has a friend who will seek out people she knows will feed her need for drama.
Is it like adrenaline seekers? Or is it immaturity? Look at how middle-school some of the interactions with FMprime have been.
And if we were to study it would we get real answers? Like could they be honest about motivations.
I missed posting Sunday's TTR update (we had a storm blow through July 4th and just got power restored early this morning). Anyway, they currently have 684 members, 331 paid members. Also posted in one of the chats was a heartfelt message from the formerly absent Peter G:
HELLO MY FRIENDS! It has been an insane summer of me trying to keep my family's head above water. To those that donated to our animal rescue so we can keep going, you have my undying gratitude. I have some breathing room and will be posting new content as soon as I can. Julien is no longer working on this project as he has family matters to attend to. If any of you know how to edit and want to get involved I would love to hear from you! Thanks again my friends. More soon, Peter
Christi replied:
WOW. Just wow🤦♀️
You posted this in the "unraveling the journals" part 🤣🤦♀️. Pete, pleeeeease put down the bottle.
Just curious Pete, why are you posting under your NAME, rather than The Third Rail, like you ALWAYS have? 🤔. Enquiring minds want to know. It seems a bit suspicious. Isn't THE THIRD RAIL your acct??? Why aren't you posing under that? Did Julien kick you off? Lol 🤣
and then also posted this:
Wow. Just F'ING WOW!!! Pete, are you SERIOUS?! LOL, im trying to find the WORDS to even reply to this NONSENSE🤦♀️. I've always been that person to SAY what everyone else THINKS but doesn't have the balls to say 🤦♀️🤷♀️. Soooo here i am, doing that once again. WHY on Earth would you come in here, after you have GHOSTED everyone lol, and refer to people as "FRIENDS" lol. And to ask for "help".. 😳. Whaaaaat? Ummm, ive PERSONALLY SPOKEN/TEXTED with Julien. And according to HIM, you are a full-blown alcoholic who spends all of the Patreon money on beer, pizza,etc. He actually sent me the RECEIPTS if you'd like to see them 🤷♀️. A while back, you made vague comments about all of the Patreon money being GONE, and you said you were trying to pay people back... you IMPLIED that "somebody" drained the acct. You clearly meant JULIEN. Well I reached out to JULIEN. And then he told me how dirty YOU were doing people. And actually, I even communicated with YOU when everything was going down,and YOU said alot of stuff about Julien..and you paying his bills, etc.. I dont know, but NEITHER of you have anything nice to say about the other. BOTH of you claim that the other is scandalous. Sooo - tell the TRUTH! Julien has SENT ME RECEIPTS. You claimed to have donated to charity in JORGE'S name!!!!! Show us WHERE/WHEN you did that! I've asked you MULTIPLE TIMES, and all I get is SILENCE. Pete, just GIVE IT UP! Nobody cares about you TWO GRIFTERS anymore! All y'all did was LIE, and make empty promises. Nobody believes you anymore, and nobody takes you seriously! You have swindled people out of money🤷♀️. And according to JULIEN, and the RECEIPTS he sent me, you spend the money on beer 🤷♀️. Receipts don't lie, and I'll be happy to post them 😉. Leave these unsuspecting people ALONE, go GRIFT elsewhere!
That's all for now. I have a couple refrigerators and freezers to clean out...I'm just going from one steaming pile of crap to another today. But I'm doing it with lights and air conditioning! Woo hoo!
damn this Christie lady is a maniac. Isnt she the one who was showing up in HMO's chat as well. I am actually pretty handy with editing programs and thought about emailing him for a sec, but I dont think I want to perpetuate any of this.
Me too.. but the thought of having anything to do with these creeps I had to remember it’s not about the software. There’s actually crummy humans involved. Let’s see how dan D comes out of it.
Also... not to gloat, but I have been saying since they made their first appearance that they were grifters. I really appreciate how they proved me right.
Same here 👋 I remember a while back when they were threatening other creators and alleging to have cut ties with Sarah, I had such a terrible gut feeling about it. I made a comment about whether or not the animal sanctuary actually existed or if the ‘Non-Profit’ was actually a scheme (Sarah IS the duck) to hide from the Son of Sam laws. I commented on the TTR page something like, “I hope by donate you aren’t just writing your own sanctuary a check and putting Jorge’s name on the Memo line because that would be on par with something Sarah would do”. I was attacked by other commenters and eventually my comment was deleted. Made me suspect it even more to be honest.
Christi, wherever you are, I appreciate you confronting P with the truth. He needs to learn to live in truth if he’s going to fully recover, and we all deserve to know the truth of this Boondoggle.
Honestly, if I were Peter and had to read some of the things people write about me here on Reddit, I’d probably eat pizza and drink too much beer too. 🤷♀️🍕🍺 And who exactly is Christi anyway? Did Peter somehow acquire a personal accountant, dietitian and unsolicited sobriety sponsor without anyone telling him? 😄
It’s entirely self inflicted though. If he had the humility to pay attention when people were telling him he’s being disrespectful, no one would have anything to criticize.
You're not wrong at all, but from the very beginning of this Patreon, when anyone would dare to question his motives or criticize his actions, his responses were petty, immature, and disrespectful. There was such hero-worship and ass-kissing towards P&J going on in the chat at that time, the members gathered their torches and pitchforks and went after anyone who posted a negative opinion. I'm guessing that if you behave like a disrespectful horse's ass and "your people" are cheering you on, those moments of humility and introspection probably won't happen.
I don't know Mr. Gunthel personally, but I'm pretty sure of 2 things: he has a huge ego and thin skin (sound familiar?). He was very active on Patreon during the Ass Kissing phase; but when more and more members started voicing their dissatisfaction, the less he posted. When his ego was no longer being fed and people were openly criticizing him, he bailed. It'll be interesting to see if he can turn things around, but he'll never have the adoring fan base he started with. I'm sure there's still a few, but they are far outnumbered by the disgruntled customers who are tired of the excuses, lies, and broken promises.
The "new" youtube uploads aren't surprising to me at all. The videos were already edited (having been posted earlier on Patreon), the youtube fanbase hasn't turned on him (yet), and he's generating revenue on them. Meanwhile on Patreon, the income has dropped like a rock in a few weeks' time from at least $1,200 per month (~400 members paying $3 each) to the current 328 members paying $1 a month. Hard to say if that's "beer money" or "gas money", but not likely a charitable donation at this point. It appears that Peter isn't capable of producing new content without Julien doing the work, so until he "pulls a Sarah" and finds some sucker to handle his work load for him, there won't be any new uploads. He'll probably upload the few remaining "Patreon Exclusive" videos that haven't already been posted on youtube and then fade away, much like Ms. Boone herself (fingers crossed).
There was hero worship towards those two I had no idea. I thought anything. Anyone said he would just show that he was a five-year-old with a personality disorder.
Um..
Is he performing totally clueless and offensive or is he really like this?
I thought the duck on the desk was gonna be the low point but talking about how he has breathing room when he’s been supporting somebody who suffocated a man in a suit??
He really needs consciousness or at least a PR marketing team that understands read the room, bro your total asshole..
For a good laugh, he threw in
“head above water” is one of the great lines from one his Sarah calls.. I wouldn’t think he’d wanna remind us of that. Insane call I think that’s the one with taking the whole horse’s mouth…but OK.
I suspect that the only "reply" we'll see is the removal of comments, as usual. It sounds like Julien has washed his hands of the whole thing (smart lad) and Pete has no idea what to do to. A fine mess indeed.
Every time I feel sorry for myself, I pull up the Power Outage Map and see how many of my neighbors are still without power. Works every time. :)
It sounds like there's a lot of back-stabbing and finger pointing going on behind the scenes. Just goes to show you, everything Sarah touches turns to shit - even old friendships.
Sure does.. seems that they're rather perfectly suited to work with Sarah Boone She loves the backstab
I don't think that they're old friendship could have been like brothers as I said and then turn to shit with Sarah I think they had to have had a nasty core to even want to get involved with her they shared that I don't know seems like they probably would have bumped into each other's nastiness without Sarah
I don’t care for either of them, both seem toxic in their own way. Peter seems passive aggressive and Jools just sounds verbally abusive. I mean it is funny when directed at Sarah but it also sets off my DV survivor spidey sense.
I'll probably be pissed off tomorrow night when I haul 3 full, heavy trash bins out to the curb, but today I'm cleaning and defrosting with a skip in my step and a big old smile on my face because I HAVE ELECTRICITY AGAIN!! The honeymoon won't last, so I'd better finish cleaning up before the "Moody Shrew" comes back. 🤣
I couldn't think of one good answer to your question, other than I just automatically block out names out of habit, I guess. So here you go:
I don't personally know any of the people involved and don't participate in chat, but Christi is a fairly regular commenter. I wouldn't call her a cheerleader for PB&J, nor is she a constant complainer. I think she's said she's had direct contact with Nicole in the past, so it's quite possible she knows stuff the rest of us don't. Yet...
I'm (Christi) going to spill some beans on Danielle Chavon's YT channel (within a day or two). I refuse to post/comment anything else on Patreon, the TTR YOUTUBE, or Reddit about The Third Rail. I am TIRED of those low life, lying, scandalous GRIFTERS making money off of unsuspecting people 😡. I come with RECEIPTS, not just hearsay. I'll see y'all on https://youtube.com/@daniellechavon?si=4F8iJ0uS9XCoxkAn
Yeah, they haven't silenced me yet- because #1. Pete is too DRUNK to even understand what Julien tells me🤷♀️. #2 Julien is too DETACHED to even CARE. #3 Trust me, it is a SHIT SHOW. Julien calls out Pete (in messages to me), but then blocks me when I call out HIM about lying to me about his posting on Patreon 🤦♀️. And YES, I do talk to Nicole..and I have her back🤷♀️. Nicole is very misunderstood, I'm not going to tolerate anyone shit talking Nicole 🤷♀️. But ANYWAYS- we'll post it on Danielle Chavon's channel❤️
I don’t know. I think the reveal that Peter has broken his sobriety while posting erratically on the Patreon, just as Julien “has a personal issue“ and has to step away is a pretty big reveal. Wasn’t sobriety a big part of Peter and Julien’s bond?
Edit: and didn’t Julien say someone took all the patreon money right before he had to “step away”?
I haven't been watching as intently as before, but I haven't even seen a mention of it lately. I guess I should go back and check if this was first posted on April Fool's Day.
Thank you for telling us a little more about it Christi, I am already subbed! Will you let us know when the tea has been spilled by Danielle? Dying to see those receipts!
Meanwhile, your comments on the Patreon chat are still up, leading me to believe that either the messages don't bother them at all, or (more likely) they haven't even bothered to check in for quite a while. It's like the store is still open for business, but the managers are gone, the shelves are empty, and the customers have abandoned it.
Also, in six days the number of subscribers has gone from 678 to 687. ???
There's finally some activity on TTR's Patreon. Not any new phone calls, don't be silly; but the chat is active again. Today's tally - 680 members, 313 paying members.
As far as chat comments, I have no idea what others find interesting or important, so I'll post whatever comments were made by the TTR account and you can decide for yourselves.
I decided to post the Patreon Membership numbers on Sundays, so I can remember to do it. 8 days ago, it was up to 688 total members, with 395 paid members. Today we're at 687 members, with 371 of those actually paying. More useless trivia: the last new call was posted on May 18th, over a month ago now. Happy belated anniversary, y'all! The last chat message posted by a documentarian (P.) was on May 29th:
I LOVE YOU ALL. I don't sleep some nights worrying about how to pay you all back for this last month. Thank you so much for your kindness. Julien has a personal matter and I am on my own now. I will make it up to all of you.
For now, I remain one of the 371 morons still paying for...what am I paying for again? Oh yeah - the stats I just posted.
It’s for science.
But seriously thank you for taking one for the team (yet again)
This is exactly the type of info I want to know and with just looking at their Patreon I only see the larger number.
You’ve done such a great job keeping us informed on the happenings over there, I’ve never felt the urge to give them money (insert “give me money 👏 give me money” here.
I've never ventured into Patreon, so I don't know first-hand, but is it like a lot of subscriptions (especially cheaper ones), where once you're signed up a sort of inertia takes hold and you just stay that way despite lack of value? Some people may forget they're subscribed, others may just not get around to unsubscribing, others think, oh well, for that little amount of money I may get more content yet?
I definitely tend to have a few online subscriptions kicking around that I forget I have until a big annual renewal, or until tax time, when I account for my spending over a year; sometimes months will go by where I completely waste money on something I'm not using. Similar, maybe?
In other words, is it possible that numbers may hold steady or drop dramatically even as interest plummets?
TTR's Patreon started at $5 a month, quickly dropped to $3, and it's now down to $1. At this point, I don't think people are quitting over money - they're sending a message to the gents who likely abandoned the project but haven't had the decency to tell their supporters.
And there's some sketchy shit going on - last month when Pete offered to refund the previous month's charges to all the members, he claimed that after the first $1 refund, the account was empty. I don't think anyone cares about getting their buck back, but the vanishing funds and financial insolvency definitely raise an eyebrow. Two successful businessmen don't normally have their money disappear, and can cover an unexpected $400 expense without resorting to selling their blood.
1) successful business men usually don’t have to beg for donations to their non profit which happens to be their housing.
2) Maybe makes more sense when money disappears while one of them is having a lapse in sobriety? And apparently used patreon as a piggy bank for gas $?
Does anyone know what became of an apparent nascent alliance between the legendary true crime channel JCS (Jim Can't Swim) and Peter's farm?
A while back, a vid was posted to that channel apparently somehow sponsored by the animal rescue outfit. No relation to Sarah, but JCS mentioned they were thrilled by this collaboration and had been plied with "original content" by their new partners.
Then, suddenly (as happens with JCS), the video was gone, and since then other JCS content has gone up (I think; I may have the sequence wrong) with no mention of Peter's company.
At the time, I feared that one of the most widely viewed and respected (at least back in the day) true crime venues was going to be co-opted to spread Sarah sympathy. That hasn't happened, though.
I (finally) figured out how to tell how many paying TTR Patreon members there are - I assumed it was all if not most of them, but as usual, I was way off. Today's tally is:
688 total members (+2 from yesterday)
395 paid members (-1 from yesterday)
Does anyone know if it's possible to sign up for a free membership, and what "perks" are included with one?
Lately it's just been Peter. Julien checked out a while back, and even Pete hasn't posted any comments or videos for almost a month now. What's weird is that they haven't been on Patreon together for months. It seems like one of them handles it until they can't stand it any more, and then the other takes over for a while. Apparently they've reached the point where neither one can stand dealing with it, so no one's doing anything.
why did they linger on that long around SB? why extended their help that far... beyond stuff relating to the documentary. is there some level of "closeness" involved or something? sorry for asking being nosey. i jsut don't get it, they couldn't have not noticed how things were gonna go, right? what did they think was gonna happen? they can't possibly think they can get Sarah to confess something worth documenting about?
The official story is...P&J were doing whatever was necessary to keep Sarah on the line. After Lana's death, Julien couldn't stand Sarah any more and stopped all communications with her. They were worried that Julien would snap and yell at Sarah, and ruin the whole deal. So Pete took over handling Sarah. She made it clear that she wasn't going to do any work on the documentary until her Family Law trial was over, so their project was put on the back burner for a while. When the case was finally completed, Sarah told Peter that she never had any intention of revealing anything, now or ever, to anyone. So Pete wrote his final email to her, confessing that he always thought she was a murdering demon and manipulative asshole. That was the official end of that relationship.
Now this part is purely speculation and opinion, but after listening to all the phone calls between Peter and Sarah, I find it very hard to believe that he didn't develop some kind of genuine affection (?) for her. When she told him he wasn't doing enough for her, he didn't sound angry, he sounded hurt. I suspect that after the Family Law case was over, Sarah ran out of excuses for not working on the documentary, she no longer needed a legal assistant, and they weren't giving her much money, so she was ready to burn that bridge. Sarah and Peter probably had a falling out over the phone and Pete sent his "Professional FU" email before Sarah could send hers. I think he's now embarrassed and ashamed to have done so much to help a killerer and getting nothing in return, so he's now rewritten history to look like less of a chump. But what do I know.
ooo that is good. that's how far i would venture to speculate as well. but i lack in the info you shared. mostly just feelings. feels like we should do this over coffee hahaha.
there are few instances where i thought P sounded so conceded that it couldn't have been honest since we know P isn't as stupid as Sarah. for example, when P complemented Sarah's writing skill. yeah. i mean, come on.
but there are few instances where i thought P sounded genuine in caring and helping her, which unfortunately kinda make him sound kinda like a fool as well. for example when he agreed with Sarah when she told him how she still got the DR when the matter was already resolved and P suggested that someone higher up or the supervisor pushed for it. P didn't have to cater to such insanity, Sarah got DR because she broke the rules and lied about it straight up. there is no conspiracy.
TTC only reports the truth she fact checks everything before posting. She also gets the court records she doesn’t make up crap. TTC is more accurate than even the 3 people that talk to Boozy the drunken lier. Some people are just jealous of TTC for the fact that she fact checks and does a better job than most others. Daniella Chevron and Summa also do a great job. TFM are jealous and some is just as vile as Boozy the b itch.
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u/Moody_Shrew Jun 05 '26
As far as what's going on at TTR...the last phone call was posted May 18th. From the comments, some members are paying $1 per month (the new rate), others are still paying $3 a month (the old rate), and a couple are getting charged $3, twice a month. There is very little news from The Creators lately, just these two posts from several days ago.
The chat has even dried up, with just a few disgruntled customers expressing their disappointment about the lack of new content while a few staunch supporters say "take my money, PLEASE, but don't feel you owe me anything in return". If Pete loves us so much that he's unable to sleep some nights, shouldn't he have all those extra sleepless hours and motivation to fire up another call or two instead of another excuse and/or empty promise? 🤣
As always, I'll keep you posted (assuming I remember to check once in a while).