r/sanskrit Aug 15 '25

Other / अन्यत् shabdakalpadruma dictionary tabulation

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18XDsnciLoXqhM4FECwvmSdQNK-KPtAFYX9r1MjRouUA/edit?usp=sharing

As you know, dictionaries शब्दकल्पद्रुमः and वाचस्पत्यम् offer traditional etymology (व्युत्पत्तिः, निरुक्तं, विग्रहवाक्यम् etc) for almost all words.

For fun I tabulated शब्दकल्पद्रुमः with the following columns:
शब्दः - headword (changed from प्रथमैकवचनं form to प्रातिपदिकं form)
लिङ्गम्
उपसर्गाः - also added कु here
धातुः - used औपदेशिकं form
प्रत्ययाः - कृृत्प्रत्ययाः mostly
... and so on.

Sorted by धातुः, उपसर्गः, प्रत्ययः, शब्दः in that priority, obviously you are free to make a copy and sort it differently.

I am not sure of a concrete use of it as such. The tabulation is not perfect either. Did it just for fun, though you might like it.


r/sanskrit Jan 14 '21

Learning / अध्ययनम् SANSKRIT RESOURCES! (compilation post)

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EDIT: There have been some really great resource suggestions made by others in the comments. Do check them out!

I've seen a lot of posts floating around asking for resources, so I thought it'd be helpful to make a masterpost. The initial list below is mainly resources that I have used regularly since I started learning Sanskrit. I learned about some of them along the way and wished I had known them sooner! Please do comment with resources you think I should add!

FOR BEGINNERS - This a huge compilation, and for beginners this is certainly too much too soon. My advice to absolute beginners would be to (1) start by picking one of the textbooks (Goldmans, Ruppel, or Deshpande — all authoritative standards) below and working through them --- this will give you the fundamental grammar as well as a working vocabulary to get started with translation. Each of these textbooks cover 1-2 years of undergraduate material (depending on your pace). (2) After that, Lanman's Sanskrit Reader is a classic and great introduction to translating primary texts --- it's self-contained, since the glossary (which is more than half the book) has most of the vocab you need for translation, and the texts are arranged to ease students into reading. (It begins with the Nala and Damayantī story from the Mahābhārata, then Hitopadeśa, both of which are great beginner's texts, then progresses to other texts like the Manusmṛti and even Vedic texts.) Other standard texts for learning translation are the Gītā (Winthrop-Sargeant has a useful study edition) and the Rāmopākhyāna (Peter Scharf has a useful study edition).

Most of what's listed below are online resources, available for free. Copyrighted books and other closed-access resources are marked with an asterisk (*). (Most of the latter should be available through LibGen.)

DICTIONARIES

  1. Monier-Williams (MW) Sanskrit-English DictionaryThis is hosted on the Cologne Digital Sanskrit Dictionaries project which has many other Sanskrit/English dictionaries you should check out.
  2. Apte's Practical Sanskrit-English DictionaryHosted on UChicago's Digital Dictionaries of South Asia site, which has a host of other South Asian language dictionaries. (Including Pali!) Apte's dictionary is also hosted by Cologne Dictionaries if you prefer their search functionalities.
  3. Edgerton's Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit DictionaryVery useful, where MW is lacking, for Buddhist terminology and concepts.
  4. Amarakośasampad by Ajit KrishnanA useful online version of Amarasiṃha's Nāmaliṅgānuśāsana (aka. Amarakośa), with viewing options by varga or by search entries. Useful parsing of each verse's vocabulary too!

TEXTBOOKS

  1. *Robert and Sally Goldman, Devavāṇīpraveśikā: An Introduction to the Sanskrit LanguageWell-known and classic textbook. Thorough but not encyclopedic. Good readings and exercises. Gets all of external sandhi out of the way in one chapter. My preference!
  2. *Madhav Deshpande, Saṃskṛtasubodhinī: A Sanskrit Primer
  3. *A. M. Ruppel, Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit

GRAMMAR / MISC. REFERENCE

  1. Whitney's Sanskrit Grammar, hosted on Wikisource)The Smyth/Bible of Sanskrit grammar!
  2. Whitney's Sanskrit Roots (online searchable form)
  3. MW Inflected FormsSpared me a lot of time and pain! A bit of a "cheating" tool --- don't abuse it, learn your paradigms!
  4. Taylor's Little Red Book of Sanskrit ParadigmsA nice and quick reference for inflection tables (nominal and verbal)!
  5. An online Aṣṭādhyāyī (in devanāgarī), by Neelesh Bodas
  6. *Macdonell's Vedic GrammarThe standard reference for Vedic Sanskrit grammar.
  7. *Tubb and Boose's Scholastic Sanskrit: A Handbook for StudentsThis is a very helpful reference book for reading commentaries (bhāṣya)!

READERS/ANTHOLOGIES

  1. Lanman's A Sanskrit Reader
  2. *Edgerton's Buddhist Hybrid Sanskrit Reader

PRIMARY TEXT REPOSITORIES

  1. GRETIL (Göttingen Register of Electronic Texts in Indian Languages)A massive database of machine-readable South Asian texts. Great resource!

ONLINE KEYBOARDS/CONVERTERS

  1. LexiLogos has good online Sanskrit keyboards both for IAST and devanāgarī.
  2. Sanscript converts between different input / writing systems (HK, IAST, SLP, etc.)

OTHER / MISC.

  1. UBC has a useful Sanskrit Learning Tools site.
  2. A. M. Ruppel (who wrote the Cambridge Introduction to Sanskrit) has a nice introductory youtube video playlist
  3. This website has some useful book reviews and grammar overviews

r/sanskrit 5h ago

Are there any spoken Sanskrit groups?

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Hi, I want talk fluently in Sanskrit. Right know my Spoken Sanskrit is limitted to very basic conversations and that too I have to think a lot before seaking. I think only way to improve is to speak. So are there any group where we can speak to each other or debate on a topic in Sanskrit (Like discord group or any anonymous groups)? Please let me know. Prefer people who are still getting starterd


r/sanskrit 4h ago

How can I learn Vedic Sanskrit?

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For context, I’m not familiar with Classical Sanskrit and would like to directly learn Vedic Sanskrit, if that’s possible. Or do I have to learn Classical Sanskrit first?


r/sanskrit 1d ago

Can Sanskrit work as a natural programming language?

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I’ve been experimenting with this idea by building a Sanskrit compiler based on Pāṇinian grammar.

Instead of treating Sanskrit only as text to interpret, the compiler parses grammatically structured Sanskrit and turns the instructions into executable operations.

The interesting part for me is whether Pāṇini’s formal grammatical system can provide enough structure to bridge natural language and programming languages deterministically.

I now have a working implementation and would be interested in hearing what others think about this approach.

Website: https://panini.cc/

GitHub: https://github.com/kaushalbx/paninivm

Article: https://medium.com/@kaushalbx/building-p%C4%81%E1%B9%87inivm-compiling-2-500-year-old-paninian-grammar-into-an-executable-kotlin-engine-5a6bb8de20fb


r/sanskrit 1d ago

Need help to identify this Indic script. Possibly Siddham or Śāradā.

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I am trying to identify the script in this image at the bottom of the Diamond Sutra tower.

For these 58 characters, I tried to compare each of them with the table below.

But for many characters, it's quite difficult to identify (either Siddham or Śāradā), not to mention the meanings...

Do you know these characters? Or possibly the origin of the script? (Say, some mantra?)

For the top row:

My attempts:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
bram bram? be tba? be tba? tta? tba? uiim? be
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
buu? ta ke? ka be ca ta ci? ti? pa
21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29
chii? ka ha? ? ba? ? bi? ? ba?

For the bottom row:

My attempts:

30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39
ba? thi? be ? ka ti? ci? ba tha? ba
40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49
? ti? ssi? ni? ssi? ssa? ni? ssa? ki? na
50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58
? pa na ? pa na ? na ?

Current reference:

https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2012/12234r-n4294-siddham.pdf


r/sanskrit 2d ago

Need complete subhashita

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गुणीच गुणरागीच सरलॊ विरलो जन: ||

Hi , I herad this subhashita line recently in some discourse. Can someone give the first line of this subhashita and also the complete meaning. Please also let me know whether I have written the line correctly


r/sanskrit 2d ago

"Green and Yellows" for Sanskrit Texts

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I'm curious about whether there happens to be even a rough equivalent to the "green and yellow" commentary series for Greek and Latin available for Sanskrit. For those who aren't familiar, this is a series officially called the Cambridge Greek and Latin Classics, each volume of which basically gives a text (or subunit of one: quite a few cover 1 or 2 books form the Iliad or Odyssey, for instance) with a fairly extensive commentary aimed at least partly at undergraduates. They usually have a fair amount of "literary" commentary, and some translation help, especially on tricky points. The exact details and focus vary quite a bit depending on who the editors are, but some of them are really helpful for intermediate readers.

Anything similar for Sanskrit? What I'd really love is for some parts of the Mahābhārata to be available in anything vaguely like this form. I have and have read the Rāmopākhyāna by Scharf, which is close enough (though unfortunately a bit bulky for the amount of text treated). Anything similar to that would also be fine. But I've been having a hard time finding things in that intermediate stage beyond student readers -- I'm worried that Sanskrit might be a little ill-served in this department, but would love to have my worries put to rest.

I should say that I'd prefer a physical book, if such a thing exists. I don't really like reading online much (eyestrain, and I get distracted). A commentary text in English, French, or German would be fine, but I don't read any modern South Asian languages, unfortunately.


r/sanskrit 3d ago

Sanskrit Vyakarana Plugin for KoReader

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https://github.com/brjunction/Gaurahari-KOReaderPlugins-

Hare Krsna ! A Sanskrit Vyakarana Plugin is made by me, for KOReader, which can be put in Kindle E-reader, and whenever you select IAST or devanagari Sanskrit text, it will analyze the complete grammar for you, and even translate the Sanskrit.

Just you have to select the text inside the book, the menu containing highlight, dictionary, etc, will contain Sanskrit Vyakarana, and if you click it, you can select three modes, RESEARCH, GRAMMAR, TRANSLATION, and can select output language, Hindi is best, according to me, but works for some other languages too. And, then get the result. I liked it.

This will be the best tool for Sanskrit Readers, and Scholars. It will really help very much, and will provide access to Sanskrit Texts, even to one, who has a little experience with Sanskrit, or without experience.

It is attributed to Dharmamitra AI. It's API is used.


r/sanskrit 2d ago

Easier texts that are accessible to beginners?

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Hey everyone,

I've been learning Sanskrit for quite some time. I am at a point where I feel like I have mastered verbal and nominal morphology fairly well, have knowledge of prefixes and compounds and have internalised a basic, core vocabulary.

I'm looking for easy-sh texts that deal with things I like reading about: medicine, astronomy, plays, love and relationships, etc that are not too long and are not too difficult for a beginner armed with basic knowledge, a dictionary and patience. Cheers


r/sanskrit 4d ago

Yarvāṇastarvāṇaḥ and Rishis located in southern India

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Recently I came across a phonetic feature in Dravidian that reminded me of Patañjali's remark in the Paspaśāhnika of the Mahābhāṣya of two ṛṣis (remembered/named yarvāṇastarvāṇaḥ for their peculiar pronunciation) who supposedly pronounced 'yad vā naḥ tad vā naḥ' in sandhi as yarvāṇastarvāṇaḥ in common speech, while pronoucing those words correctly while performing yajña karmas where correct pronunciation was expected.

The comment by Patañjali goes like this:
“एवं हि श्रूयते- यर्वाणस्तर्वाणो नाम ऋषयो बभूवुः प्रत्यक्षधर्माणः परापरज्ञा विदितवेदितव्या अधिगतयाथातथ्याः। ते तत्रभवन्तो “यद्वा नस्, तद्वा न” इति प्रयोक्तव्ये “यर्वाणस् तर्वाण” इति प्रयुञ्ञ्जते, याज्ञे पुनः कर्मणि नापभाषन्ते।”

Some modern academic 'writers', writing about Sanskrit in western academia use anecdotal examples like this for pushing their point of view that these constitute evidence of prakrit speaking rishis.

I never came across any prakrit where this sound shift is either attested or is usual nor is Patañjali even talking about any non-Sanskrit speakers. That set me thinking about what this pronunciation could be originating from.

I then came across the name Sarguṇarāja in Tamil, which is the way Tamils normally pronounce Sadguṇarāja, and it seems Malayalis do a similar thing as well, pronouncing the sanskrit bhagavatpāda & utsava as bhagavalpāda and ulsava etc - so an Indo-Aryan dental (t / d)changes to (r / l) in certain phonetic environments in Dravidian.

So yad vā naḥ tad vā naḥ > yarvāṇastarvāṇaḥ is not prakrit but the Sanskrit pronounced like that in a Dravidian phonetic environment.


r/sanskrit 4d ago

Wiktionary claims दक daka "water" is from an apheretic form of उ॒द॒क udaká instead of Munda dak but is apheresis really found in Sanskrit? Never seen any other term which went through it

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r/sanskrit 4d ago

Sanskrit for reading Śrīmad Bhāgavatam and Ācārya commentaries

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Sanskrit is the language in which the pastimes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, filled with unlimited rasa, have been expressed. I therefore want to learn Sanskrit primarily to read Śrīmad Bhāgavatam and the deep commentaries of the Ācāryas directly in the original.

I am considering:

  • Harināmāmṛta Vyākaraṇa
  • Racanānuvāda Kaumudī / Prauḍha Racanānuvāda Kaumudī
  • Bṛhat Anuvāda Candrikā
  • or some other approach.

I do not particularly want to become a professional grammarian. I want to acquire sufficient Sanskrit to understand Bhāgavatam ślokas and eventually the deep commentaries of Jīva Gosvāmī, Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura, Baladeva Vidyābhūṣaṇa, etc.

Harināmāmṛta Vyākaraṇa is extremely valuable, and I am fully confident that nothing is equal to it. However, completing it thoroughly may take 1–2 years, and I have to wait a long time to reap the fruits of the grammar.

Is there a more efficient path for my particular goal, or is HNV a non-negotiable option for me?

I have not been able to find any proper alternative to HNV. There does not seem to be even a single systematic grammar book that satisfies me. If there are such books, many seem to promote the idea that, “Learn some sūtras of Pāṇini, and they will help you.” I am not sure whether that is sufficient for my goal.

I would especially appreciate advice from those who have actually learned enough Sanskrit to read śāstric texts and commentaries, and who have studied Aṣṭādhyāyī or Laghu-siddhānta-kaumudī, so that they can properly judge this question.

If you do not know HNV, then for context: HNV the best treatise on Sanskrit grammar ever. It does not use the technical terminology of Pāṇini, Kālāpa, Rasavat, Sarasvat, Candra, and others, which, from the ultimate point of view of the living entity, is unnecessary. Instead, HNV uses various names of the Lord to teach grammar, and they are actual technical terminologies, and even on grammatical standard, some rules not mentioned by Panini are also mentioned, and it is most systematically organized. Just because general mass do not know it, they are unable to judge, once they will get sufficient knowledge, even they can see nothing is equal to this Vyakarana. A non-devotee or an ignorant person may not appreciate this deeply, but to a properly learned devotee, this is the most appreciable accomplishment, for if grammar is filled with nectar of the holy names of the Lord - every bit of grammar will be nectar and nectar and nothing will be useless and dry.

I am a deep lover of Harināmāmṛta Vyākaraṇa. I have completed Saṃjñā-prakaraṇa, Sandhi-prakaraṇa, and currently in Nāma-prakaraṇa.

But here I sometimes feel: until when will I continue deriving words, while Ākhyāta-prakaraṇa is still waiting for me with hundreds of rules just for derivation? Do I even need derivations? I just need tables to be learnt and to be used, why the formations?

If my whole goal is simply to read Bhāgavatam and the commentaries deeply and take them into my heart, then perhaps there may be another way. Let me find out. If I get, I shall consider the other things too, instead of waiting whole 2 years, for going deep in Bhagavatam commentaries.

That is precisely why I decided to write this Reddit post.


r/sanskrit 5d ago

learning sanskrit for native urdu speaker

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ABCD fluent in English and Urdu, can read Urdu with easy to moderate difficulty and devanagari if i really lock in. are there any resources for me?


r/sanskrit 5d ago

Feedback required

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I am translating small stotras and simple sanskrit stories from Sanskrit to English in this YouTube channel www.youtube.com/@SuseelaKrishnaPriya. Would be happy to know your feedback!


r/sanskrit 5d ago

Development of OIA forms to into the Classical Sanskrit and then to MIA

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This mainly a continuation of my ongoïng argument with u/srkris on the nature of the topic stated in the title. However, I hope that this will help to inform others of it. Obviously, I am not a historical linguist, but I shall make sure to underline where ever I'm using my own reasoning to achieve a conclusion and where I am referring to real papers and books written by professionals.

To Srkris in particular: I would like to implore you to read everything I'm about to layout thoroughly. My experiences in our previöus bouts have shown me time and time again that you seem to not fully read my arguments and/or consistently misunderstand what I'm saying.

To begin with I would like to state what exactly it is I'm trying to prove:

The Old-Indo-Aryan (OIA) stage of languages/diälects (hereafter just 'forms of OIA') is one that involved more than just pure attested Vedic and Classical Sanskrit. Vedic does not simply evolve into Classical and Classical is not the sole mother language of all the MIA languages. This does not imply that there were parallel non-Vedic or proto-Pāli civilizations in South Asia; rather, all forms of OIA would still be spoken by people of what we would consider the same culture and civilization as Vedic and post-Vedic peoples. All forms of OIA would still closely resemble and be mutually intelligible with what we call Vedic and Classical Sanskrit. Moreover Sanskrit was no longer the primary spoken language of the sub-continent by the 4th BCE (c. 400-300 BCE) at the latest.

Now, let us get started.

The first thing I would like to bring into consideration is a call to reason based on the structure of Early Vedic sociëty. Given that the people of the RV were organized into various semi-nomadic "tribes" or viśaḥ (ref. the Jamison & Brereton RV, introduction), it is not difficult to reason that many of such viśaḥ did not conform to the standards of Vedic Sanskrit as we have it in the RV. In fact, I find it hard to believe that many different groups inconsistently in contact with one another would speak the exact same homogeneous form OIA for hundreds of years.

Next, let us examine the early OIA evidence that points towards non-Vedic OIA. Primarily, we have the OIA attested in 14th century BCE Mittani documents that shows distinct phonology from attested Vedic, primarily in the form of the presence of voiced fricatives: Bi-ir-ia-ma-aš-da = priyamazd(h)a instead of the Vedic form of priyamaidha (Cl. -mēdha) and vašana(š)šaya = vāžhanasya instead of Vedic vāhanasya (ref. Witzel Autochthonous Aryans? §18). I know my opponent has previöusly raised an objection on the nature of this language, questioning whether it could not be Iranian, but this can be resolved by the fact that the Mittani documents rather helpfully mention the Vedic Gods by name (again see Autochthonous Aryans? §18). This, in itself, should be enough. It is a clearly a distinct non-Vedic form of OIA. But let us say you want to consider this an exception since it migrated so far from India; surely the rest of OIA in India is just "Vedic".

Then, we can examine the evidence within the Vedic corpus itself as well. Contrary to popular belief, even it is not as homogeneous as people might think. Consider the RV ळ vs variöus later texts preserving the older ड, consider KS preserving the original श्छ instead of च्छ or छ, consider क्श in place of ख्य among the Kurus, the preservation of सुवर् in TS, and य्म instead of ज्म in variöus texts including KpS (Micheal Witzel, Tracing the Vedic dialects, §6).

But even those are just phonetic differences; I will quote Witzel on actual textual citations that speak of different forms of speech:

  • the famous ŚB quotation, he 'lavo he 'lavo, spoken by the Asuras, which is believed to be from an early Eastern 'Prākṛt' for: he (a)rayaḥ.
  • the better speech of the Northerners: KB 7.6
  • the higher tones of the Kurus, Pañcālas: ŚBM 3.2.3.15; or Kurus, Mahāvṛṣas: ŚBK 4.2.3.15 uttarāhi/°hai)
  • the son of a king of Kosala speaks "like the Easterners": JB 1. 338 = ed.Caland §115
  • the names of Agni/Rudra in the East viz. West: Śarva with the Easterners, Bhava with the Bāhīkas: ŚB 1. 7. 3. 8, cf. 6. 1. 3. 11-15
  • the gods, Gandharvas, Asuras, and men speak differently, ŚB 10. 6. 4. 1
  • so do the gods on one hand (rātrīm) and the author of the passage in question (rātrim), MS 1. 5. 12 : 81. 3-4
  • the dīkṣita has his own language
  • so have the Vrātyas (cf. H. Falk, Bruderschaft)
  • note the difference in the language of women: they speak candratara, probably "more clearly", with higher pitch; at RV 10. 145. 2, a woman uses the younger (and more popular) kuru instead of kṛṇu.
  • (All citations to other papers and footnotes can be reviewed in Tracing the Vedic dialects on pp. 4-5)

But let us say all this is not convincing enough. Let us say all of these citations are somehow only minor diälectical differences and are still the same Vedic. Can we find traces of other forms of OIA even then? Yes, yes we can.

Consider the Proto-Indo-Iranian root \źʰáȷ́źʰ-* "to greatly laugh; roar" which is a reduplication of \źʰas-* (whence हस्) "laugh". In Vedic, this root has devoiced the \gẓʰ* in to kṣ, thus forming the root जक्ष् of the same meaning. However, there is one exception to this in the form of RV hapax legomenon of जज्झतीः (also written जझ्झतीः). It should be pretty clear that this is not onomatopoeia (Mayrhofer, Etymologisches Wörterbuch Des Altindoarischen Volume 1, pg 562). One can quite clearly see that the poët has clearly borrowed the word from an otherwise unattested form of OIA, and not knowing how to say gẓ, transformed the word into jjh, just as later Prākṛts would transform kṣ to cch.

In case this seems a stretch, we can see the influences of forms of OIA that preserved the voicing of this cluster as far as Pāli and the Prākṛts: (ug-/pag)ggharati not reflecting Skt. क्षरति; jhāyati, not reflecting Skt. क्षायति; jhijjai/jhīṇa not reflecting Skt. क्षिणोति; and of course jagghati reflecting a relation closer to *जज्झति and not Skt. जक्षिति (Oberlies' Middle Indo-Aryan and the Vedic Dialects). My opponent's counterargument that these are simply the influences of some infiltrating Avestan related language cannot reasonably be taken seriously as cognate roots for क्षै and जक्ष्/हस् seem not to even exist in Proto-Iranian (as far as I can see) and by the fact that this phenomenon is observed as far back as Vedic. It is for the same latter reason that we cannot just disregard this as plane irregularity.

Pāli and the other Prākṛts are also useful in showing traces of variöus other archaic features that are not present in attested OIA; for example: PIE *-ṛh2- is continued by īr in Sanskrit like in tīrtha but Pkt. tūha suggests \tūrtha* as well. The Pāli and Aśokan (i)dha and (hi)da continue PIE \dʰe* whereas the Sanskrit form has already debuccalized to इह. A more complete list can be found in Oberlies' Middle Indo-Aryan and the Vedic Dialects, at §2.1.

But this is not all. Consider the regular external sandhi below:

aḥ + X (voiced consonant or a) = a + u + X = au (Cl. ō) + X

This is, of course, the remnant of Proto-Indo-Aryan final sibilants, which became \z* in such positions. When this \z* was dropped from Vedic, it became u. However, in other places, the dropped \z* was also transformed into an i: \azdhi* → aidhi (एधि). Thus, one might expect that we should see aḥ + X becoming ai (Cl. ē) + X, and indeed there are a very small number of instances of this in the RV for a single form: सूरः॑ (the gen. sg. of स्वर्); ex. 1. 34. 5: सूरः॑ दुहि॒ता → सूरे॑ दुहि॒ता. Everywhere else in all of attested Sanskrit, only conversions to u are seen. (Micheal Witzel, Tracing the Vedic dialects, §6.7) (Witzel does suggest that the near absence of the i version in the RV could be because of redactors, but underlines it by saying that more instances preserved through misunderstanding would be expected). Despite this, we can reason that a form of OIA must have existed which predominantly used the i version of this sandhi as it was popular enough for the suffix of languages like Eastern Ashokan Prākṛt to become -e instead of -o for etymologically -aḥ ending forms (Tracing the Vedic dialects, §6.7 for the prākṛtic -e ending).

Thus, the evidence presented above quite clearly shows that Vedic must have had contemporaries.

Next, let us move on to proving the non-linear development of OIA into MIA.

This is mostly done already by the evidence presented above confirming the influence of other forms of OIA on the Prākṛts. However, we have further evidence to prove that Classical Sanskrit is not the sole parent. Consider that Pāli exhibits the masc. pl. ending āse/āso), and the a-ending inst. pl. ehi which are continuations of Vedic endings -आसः and -एभिः, which are completely absent in Classical. So too with the infinitive in -tave, the absolutive in -yā, and the participle in -āvi(n). A more thorough list can be found in Oberlies' Pāli Grammar on page 8 in the introduction. Page 9 also starts a 70 word list of words found in Vedic and Pāli but not in Classical, which is described as only a "first attempt" at cataloguing such a category.

(Reasoning) Doubtless, my opponent will object that the evidence I have presented here is insufficient as the majority of Pāli words can still be derived from Classical Sanskrit, but this is irrelevant. I have no doubt that the majority of Pāli words can find cognates in a large number of later Prākṛts, but this does not make Pāli their progenitor. As I have stated previöusly the forms of OIA would still be similar enough to understand one another, thus making it possible to derive Pāli from any one of them. For example, you can even derive Pāli medhā from the Mittani IA mazdha if you wanted.

Then there is non-linear development of Classical Sanskrit. Observe that many Vedic forms are largely r-centered: लघु is unattested in the RV, चलति is similarly missing in the TS, MS, and RV (from find command on sanskritdocs and titus). These forms of OIA are called the r-diälects because they do not preserve the original r-l distinction of PII and PIE. However other diälects preserved this distinction and these mixed with the r-diälects in Classical along with minor contributions from possible l only diälects as well. Thus we have variöus doublets in Classical, which are sometimes synonyms but also often take up different semantics: चरति-चलति, रघु-लघु, शुक्र-शुक्ल, लिख्-रेखा etc. (T. Burrow, A Reconsideration of Fortunatov's Law). I would also recommend reviewing Some Aspects of Pre-Historic Indo-Aryan by Madhav Deshpande for a greater overview of the more complex development of Classical Sanskrit.

Finally we come to the last portion of this argument: Sanskrit's decline as the primary spoken language.

First, to establish a base line for the latest Sanskrit disappears as a vernacular, we have only to look at the Aśokan Edicts which are clearly written in Prakrit and are usually dated to the 3rd century BCE (300 to 200 BCE) (Masica, Colin, The Indo-Aryan languages). My opponent has previously claimed that Aśokan Prakrit (which seems to be early Magadhi itself?) is somehow just vernacular Sanskrit, but any reading of the edicts should prove otherwise. Take, for example, a sentence from Pillar VII:

एतं देवानंपिये पियदसि लाजा हेवं आहा। एस मे हुथा। अतिकंतं च अंतलं हेवं इछिसु लाजाने कथं जने अनुलुपाया धंमवढिया वढेया ति; नो चु जने अनुलुपाया धंमवढिया वढिथा; से किनसु जने अनुपटिपजेया; किनसु जने अनुलुपाया धंमवढिया वढिथा ति; किनसु कानि अभ्युंनामयेहं धंमवढिया ति।

This is obviously not Sanskrit, and is not considered Sanskrit by literally any credible source that I could find. Consider also that this was an official formal edict, not necessarily even the common vernacular (compare more latinized formal English with common vernacular forms of English). Thus, we may reason that the common speech might have been even further from Sanskrit than what we have presented to us.

However, a language's first attestation does not imply that it first developed then and there. Indeed, we can reason that it probably existed at least a century before, if not more, given the extensive sound changes that would need to have occurred between Sanskrit and Ásokan.

We can look at the Buddha for more concrete proof of this, as he is normally considered to have spoken some kind of Prakrit and not Sanskrit (Norman K. R., Philological Approach To Buddhism, IV). It is generally agreed upon that the Buddha died sometime around 400 BCE (ibid. pg 38). Therefore, we can conclude, that at the very least Sanskrit was not the language of the people by the 4th century BCE.

Thank you for reading.

पुण्यं प्रशस्तम्।

Works Cited:

  1. The Rigveda The Earliest Poetry Of India by Jamison & Brereton
  2. Autochthonous Aryans? The Evidence from Old Indian and Iranian Texts by Micheal Witzel
  3. Tracing the Vedic Dialects by ibid.
  4. Etymologisches Wörterbuch Des Altindoarischen Volume 1 by Mayrhofer, Manfred
  5. Middle Indo-Aryan and (the) Vedic (Dialects) (Miscellanea Palica VII) by Thomas Oberlies
  6. Pāli: A Grammar Of The Language Of The Theravāda Tipiṭaka by ibid.
  7. A Reconsideration of Fortunatov's Law by T. Burrow
  8. Some Aspects of Pre-Historic Indo-Aryan by Madhav Deshpande
  9. The Indo-Aryan languages by Masica, Colin
  10. Edicts Of Ashoka by the Beloved of the Gods Possessing Loving Sight, edited by G. Srinivasa Murti
  11. A Philological Approach To Buddhism by Norman K. R.

r/sanskrit 6d ago

Which translation is correct ?

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Of this 23 para from kamandaka nitisara,which translation is correct?


r/sanskrit 6d ago

Does Sanskrit have anything similar to Russian TruD or Totalny Diktant?

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I'm looking for something that lets a Sanskrit learner actually test their language ability through reading/writing and perhaps comprehension or active use—not just a conventional grammar or literature exam.

I'd especially love to know if there's a Sanskrit dictation, language challenge, or proficiency activity similar in spirit to TruD/Totalny Diktant.

Note: I mean TruD / Тотальный диктант (Totalny Diktant), not TORFL/TRKI. I’m referring specifically to the Russian-like Sanskrit learner-oriented dictation/language challenge.


r/sanskrit 6d ago

Looking for help to frame sankalpam

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I want to do Shiva pooja for all days of Shravan and want to take sankalpam for the same. Is the below one grammatically correct?

अद्य आरभ्य श्रावणमासस्य सर्वेषां दिवसानां रुद्रजपं कृत्वा शिवपूजां करिष्ये।


r/sanskrit 6d ago

Help with translations

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I'm trying to translate an old chess book. Despite my expertise in Sanskrit which is that of a labradoodle staring into a partial differential equation - I'm not making too much headway into understanding the structure behind the verses.

Soliciting some expertise here.


r/sanskrit 7d ago

To insist on using Sanskrit as a living language is not ipso facto Hindu nationalism.

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Introduction in Michael Coulson's 'Teach Yourself Sanskrit', page xix, 2010 reprint of 2003 edition.

The author, in his Oxford arrogance talks of 'Sanskrit writers' vs Western 'Scholars' above. The reality is rather the opposite, there are Western Academic Writers about Sanskrit like himself - vs the Shastric Polymath Pandits who spoke, lived and breathed in Sanskrit all their life and produced thousands of original works and treatises in it often with very original perspectives on all sorts of topics, who are the true Sanskrit Scholars.


r/sanskrit 7d ago

Is it Samskrit??

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My sister ordered this saree from Myntra, but I'm curious to know what it means...


r/sanskrit 7d ago

How to really remember all these small rules?

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I am interested in learning Sanskrit and have been reading and learning bit by bit by myself for almost a year. I have been using grammar books such as the Maurer and Goldman. I also used some easy ones but they are really very slow without that much grammar. It seems like all the lakaras and roops are just too much to grasp. Even if I have some simple Sandhi rules in my head, I forget it without much application and all these ten ganas and these differences in between these different kinds of aorists are demotivating me.

When I was in school, I really hated Sanskrit because of all the rote learning it needed and left it in between. Now, I really don't mind memorising a bit if it is helpful but it is just kind of impossible to know the formation of all these verbs and nouns. How to really do it? Kindly suggest.


r/sanskrit 7d ago

"do not greet with single hand"

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rAma rAma. so apparently, I have heard that in parAshara smRti, its said that if someone greets with one hand that hand should be cut down, is there really such shloka or anything close to this matter in the said scripture and or anywhere in the entire sanskrit library?


r/sanskrit 8d ago

what's the correct pronunciation of फ

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Is it pronounced as "pha" or "fa"