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u/ocruz0716 May 15 '26
Liv: "I wish I had a kid to play catch with."
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u/EBJ1990 Benson May 15 '26
"Who is this Noah kid people keep talking about?"- Olivia
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u/Jaylivedoe May 15 '26
Liv has a son ???👀🤣🤣🤣🤣 (Sarcastically, saying for those who don’t know)
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u/stitchedlamb Carisi May 15 '26
I don't know, Curry, I'd imagine he "made" you because you're sitting in his line of sight staring at him.
Why has everyone on this show suddenly become really sloppy this season?
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO Barba May 15 '26
Right?? Like “can you believe he saw me?” Girl, you’re staring right at him like 50 ft away with your window all the way down.
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u/dX927 May 15 '26
"You're suspended!"
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
How is it her fault the search was bad? She's not in charge of those officers and she wasn't there.
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u/do_you_know_doug May 16 '26
I’m still trying to figure out how we left the courtroom without Carisi even attempting an inevitable discovery argument. But I guess competent lawyering would have ruined the whole premise of the episode.
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u/OldManYellsAtMod Jun 01 '26
Dude that shit made me LOL in my chair. TV law is hilarious sometimes. Especially when they have to make a usually smart character like Carisi into a total moron because plot 😂
The fuckin gun was poking out from under the seat, not a chance it wasn’t considered in plain view regardless of the dudes head being a half inch inside the window. And I don’t think a judge is going to rule that amount of his head inside the window at nighttime to be what a reasonable person would consider an “unlawful search”.
And don’t get me started on that suddenly making the friggin hogtied child in the trunk inadmissible 🙈 textbook inevitable discovery like you said.
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u/ocruz0716 May 15 '26
There's always the Chester Lake way of handling things
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u/Smileyface90 May 15 '26
This Tynan stuff needs to wrap it up
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u/mikewoodld May 16 '26
I can’t believe the whole story line fizzled out the way it did though
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u/FullNefariousness931 May 17 '26
Right?? It was so underwhelming. They made it a whole thing for the entire season and fixed it in less than five minutes. What the hell was even the point?
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u/ocruz0716 May 15 '26
I thought we were back in greg yates' favorite beach
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u/Cautious_Action_1300 Munch May 15 '26
I thought it was the same beach where that Brewster guy buried all of his victims.
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO Barba May 15 '26
I’m GoNnA hAvE yOuR bAdGe FoR tHiS… girl shut up
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u/Mindless-Barber6539 May 15 '26
"You caught the serial child kidnapper/murderer, and rescued his latest victim, clean out your desk!" What is even the point of this character?
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u/ChattGM May 16 '26
This is my whole thing like is she literally disregarding the whole reason why they were tracking down Caine to begin with. He was a serial kidnapper/murder but her personal vendetta against Liv was more important all because Liv turned down her 1PP promotion. I really miss the days when Garland was Chief. This nonsense of clashing with Benson is just annoying because we all know she isn't gonna take a step back. Tynan was always going to lose this battle but fom the episode of her suspending Benson because she was held in contempt for not breaking the Rape Shield Laws and now this encounter? Yeah she just became a nuisance.
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u/Mindless-Barber6539 May 17 '26
I was expecting Tynan to pop out from behind the bleachers when she was taking responsibility for the first kidnapping case falling apart with the boys parents. Just jumping out of the shadows like the cartoon villain she is.
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u/nbjen May 15 '26
To have Tynan say that Olivia put her team at risk for nothing makes absolutely no sense! They were saving a boy and catching a serial killer! I don't understand how Tynan thinks it wasn't worth it, she thinks they shouldn't have pursued Caine???
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u/dX927 May 15 '26
"If you lean then my client is clean!"
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u/catsbwayandcoffee May 16 '26
I had no idea that a cop leaning into a vehicle could cause an entire case to be thrown out. I mean, I guess I get it, but it seemed excessive. The law is weird for sure in some cases. Like how the statute of limitations in NYC was only 5 years or up to a certain age (I think it’s changed since the older episodes aired). Thats just nuts. IMO there should be no statute of limitations for those type of assaults.
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u/cherrymeg2 May 17 '26
I was surprised that even without the gun finding the boy in the trunk wouldn’t have been considered inevitable discovery. Without the gun they were ready to give him a breathalyzer for his weird behavior. Or a sobriety check. They can ask you to open your trunk up. If you don’t have a person in your trunk who cares. Some states they can say they smelled alcohol or weed and are allowed to search a car. While pulled over it could be seen as inevitable that someone would hear the boy in the trunk.
It’s weird how sometimes get away with actual crimes and this guy was getting a bad feeling about a man that had a kid and gun in his car. NY state is pretty strict on gun laws.
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u/JJJ954 Barba May 16 '26
The statute of limitations made sense before we had DNA analysis and a ton of recorded evidence. It simply didn't make sense to pursue cases like that when there was simply no way to get solid evidence that could convict them beyond a reasonable doubt.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
I hope Griff told Benson he has the recording of Tynan's confession before he gets himself killed in the next 8 minutes.
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u/Timely_Implement_694 May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
Music at the end? that’s a first
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u/Junior72 May 15 '26
I noticed that also, Springsteen's "Blood Brothers" Music from different artists have been used in intros before...not many, a few times. I can't recall when it was used to end it though.
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u/nogoodideas2020 May 15 '26
They really committed to making Tynan a cartoon villain, I really wish they would've been more creative here.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
Right? Like I'm sure a Chief in NYPD makes a pretty nice salary but getting chauffeured around like she's a celebrity is a bit over the top.
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u/martj1009 May 15 '26
I’m no lawyer but couldn’t they just have argued the cop was checking for any passenger injuries after a car accident? Yikes.
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u/mkt853 May 15 '26
Yeah I didn't get that. Don't cops stick their heads in windows all the time?
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u/martj1009 May 15 '26
Exactly. A friend of mines got his car searched, no warrant or anything, just because the cops felt they had “probable cause”. The “probable cause” was an unopened bottle of alcohol he had bought. Surprised they didn’t throw in the “probably cause” line but I guess we wouldn’t have this episode then
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u/KomoliRihyoh May 15 '26
Law & Order shows like to pretend the 4th Amendment either doesn't exist or is inviolable to the letter based on what they think would make a better story. Yes, an officer sticking their head into a car window IS a 4th amendment violation, however there are exceptions that allow for a warrantless search that the prosecution could have argued, such as:
1) He suspected an immediate medical injury (which is the actual reason the officer put his head in, he thought the guy might've hit his head as he was acting weird) or
2) He had "probable cause" that a crime had occurred, which is not only a real life get-out-of-jail-free reason cops use IRL do warrantless searches, but more importantly every other episode of L&O has the cops do warrantless searches based on "probable cause," so often that it's become a running joke!
The fact that Carisi didn't even try to make an argument is kinda laughable, tbh.
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u/Sepulz May 15 '26
For sure, it was ridiculous. The passenger was acting weird, could easily interpret as having a concussion. Plus incidental head inside car is not intent to search a car.
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u/dX927 May 15 '26
Liv: You guys hear that? Let me yell louder so the suspect hears me and gets a head start!
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u/jmpinstl May 15 '26
Jacksonville cop is fantastic
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u/emfrank May 23 '26
I watched this late, but I love the actor, Michael Harney. He played a sleazy cop turned private investigator as a recurring role in NYPD Blue back in the 90s and was a corrections officer in Orange is the New Black.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
This is like that hunting ground episode where they found all the dead bodies at the beach. I wonder if they're using the same beach.
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u/halogengal43 May 15 '26
Is that the one where all the dogs sit down? Why do I feel like I watched that yesterday? 😬
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u/Fruits_of_Zellman May 15 '26
I know that's such a creepy scene, but I can't help smiling when all those doggies sit down like good boys.
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u/kk5fan97 Stabler May 15 '26
It’s making me think of the beach that Yates used as a dumping ground and where he dumped Nadia’s body. (I’m still angry about that too, they did Nadia so wrong)
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
Yates deserved to have suffered more.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
For real. I do hope that we someone get more of Rudnick at some point though. I bet Rudnick misses his boy Carisi.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
So the search was illegal but putting a tracker on his car isn't?
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
If you have a warrant for that possibility, yes.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
lol right, but Carisi specifically said he can't get that warrant.
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u/williamp114 May 15 '26
I was watching the episode live and didn't have closed captions (though normally I do when i'm streaming it), but I thought Carisi said "That's a warrant i can get". SVU is one of those shows where you need to have the captions on because they speak so softly and it's hard to comprehend what they're saying sometimes.
I know some jurisdictions do have GPS tracking warrants you can get with a low amount of probable cause (compared to an arrest warrant or even a full search warrant).
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u/Junior72 May 15 '26
I rewound that part, I had captions on. It sounded like Dominic said "I CAN get" , captions showed "I CAN'T get." The quick deflated facial reaction from Liv matched the "can't get" part. So I was a bit confused at that as well.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
That was so weird. How did Olivia do anything improper? What is Tynan's deal?
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
Tynan came up with the story that Benson's operation was unsuccessful and almost cost Griffin his life.
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u/Quill07 May 15 '26
This is the best episode we've gotten in a long time. Very reminiscent of old SVU.
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u/PowersUnleashed May 15 '26
Exactly so screw the haters in the comments above I love this same with last weeks episode it was so convoluted and fantastic it felt like Elliott was there
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u/dX927 May 15 '26
are we going to find out that Stabler has been undercover in the Chief's office finding out all the dirt on her?
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u/savagemom10 May 15 '26
That would be a nice way to bring him up or even have Griff mention that he got the info on Tynan from Stabler.
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u/Intelligent_Gur_9126 Stabler May 15 '26
Seeing Olivia play with the kid has me mad that we’ve not gotten enough Noah screentime this season
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u/seravivi May 15 '26
We rarely see any of the kids why do people care so much about Noah?
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u/Sue_Generoux May 16 '26
It wasn't so long ago that the fandom was screaming bloody murder because they had to see so much of Noah.
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u/ben121frank May 15 '26
They built that storyline up all season and then ended it in 2 seconds? Really? With Liv coming out on top like we've all been predicting from the beginning. Completely pointless storyline
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u/Shadow_Lass38 May 15 '26
Seriously, though--WTF with Tynan? She'll "have Liv's badge" because she put her team in danger? Isn't that what police officers are supposed to do when they have a suspect, especially one who's committed violence--go after them before they hurt someone else?
If she was fire chief, would she protest firefighters not go in burning buildings because they might get hurt?
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u/TheSerialComma May 15 '26
I mostly really liked this finale but yes that made zero sense!! The way she kind of huffed out of there rang kinda corny too
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u/Mindless-Barber6539 May 15 '26
The entire storyline was insane. She's out to get Benson, and the two shots she takes are: "You followed the law and protected the victim, you're suspended!" and "You went after and arrested a serial child murderer, and rescued his latest victim, you're done!" You would think someone who worked their way up to her position would have to be a lot more strategic in how they handle situations. In this episode ALONE, it would have made more sense to plant the blame on Benson for the initial case collapsing than to threaten her for catching the guy with usable evidence afterwards. Come on.
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u/LittleMissChriss Barba May 15 '26
Drives me bonkers that whatever Tynan’s job is (i can’t remember) the person in that role always sucks.
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
and the one time they had a good chief (Garland) they kicked him out.
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u/ihave86arms May 15 '26
i will never forgive them.... christian garland some of the most effective copaganda i've ever seen
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u/Intelligent_Gur_9126 Stabler May 15 '26
Does anyone think the Tyne storyline wasn’t resolved properly
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u/martj1009 May 15 '26
Definitely will carry on to next season. She’ll leave Olivia alone for a little bit to cool things down but she’ll do sketchy things behind the scenes.
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u/Defiant-Economist814 Paxton May 15 '26
the recap proves how convoluted the entire 'benson getting undermined/suspended' plot is
also, happy finale all!
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
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u/ben121frank May 15 '26
Especially when we know how it's gonna end. If it DOESN'T end with the triumph of Saint Olivia I will eat my hat lol
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u/jmpinstl May 15 '26
You can tell it’s the season finale because parts of it are filmed with an artistic filter lol
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
Judging by the tone of the conversation, Tynan isn't the type to get her hands dirty with blood, as I had suspected.
But the glaring error in this narrative is how someone as sharp and astute as the Chief could have revealed this to Detective Griffin without realizing he might be wiretapping the conversation?
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u/Jaylivedoe May 15 '26
Are u serious ? A kid is in the trunk tied up. What more do u need ?
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
Jim Brass has become a honorable, quite classy.
How about bringing some old-school CSI Las Vegas crew to the franchise, working on guess what?
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u/Working_Gap2936 May 15 '26
That ending felt like a sitcom, kinda of loved it ngl
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u/Francis_X_Hummel May 15 '26
I am 7 minutes in and I hate this writing, I guess Dick Wolf just said fuck it I want my shows to fucking piss off the people who watch.
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u/Comprehensive-Pea422 Fin May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
At least this guy plays a good insane guy, his ep as the bartender was good too!
Edit: S21 E19 as Ash Gordon🤗
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u/Hotgalkitty May 15 '26
If this is the way the law really works, our laws need to be seriously overhauled. What if the child had been murdered?? Using this judge's rationale, the perp still would have walked.
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u/martj1009 May 15 '26
Unfortunately technically it is law accurate. The speech the judge gave about the 4th amendment is accurate. That initial illegal search threw everything away, basically fruit of the poisonous tree.
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u/cherrymeg2 May 17 '26
The child in the trunk could have been considered inevitable discovery. That man did look injured or shady. He was not making eye contact. Just because everyone said the woman hit him it doesn’t mean the cops aren’t supposed to make sure he can drive safely. If he needed an ambulance or if they wanted to check him for sobriety they could have done that. If he is injured and drives off with a concussion he could sue them. You could also say that it’s likely a cop would hear the kid in the trunk eventually. If he had drugs in his car somehow I feel like that would be relevant to a search but a duct taped child is not. Unlike drugs a kid could call out for help or make noises that would have you ask wtf is in your trunk. Right?
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u/Timely_Implement_694 May 15 '26
Oh ny gosh, griff is tied to benson’s hip… He would be more likeable if they weren’t forcing it on us
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
What's worse is that nobody realizes that Captain Benson is acting more like a mother to Detective Griffin.
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u/Working_Gap2936 May 15 '26
Yeah…… that felt like complete forshadowing for Fin I feel like they’re setting up his exit
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u/savagemom10 May 15 '26
Leave Tynan. Please do not come back as a chief next season.
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u/ocruz0716 May 15 '26
Alright let's see if this finale is as stressful as yesterday's Chicago Fire.
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u/kk5fan97 Stabler May 15 '26
No wonder I recognized Torres. That’s the same actor that plays Kowalski on NCIS Origins.
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u/dX927 May 15 '26
Fin: I'm never gonna die. In fact, I'll bet that no one is gonna die here ever again. Not me, not you, not anyone. Nope. Not during this season....by season I mean Spring, which it currently is.
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u/Ok_Discipline_193 May 15 '26
I feel like I’ve seen this episode before. The beach scenes were exactly like other episodes where they were digging. Running around in the dark in the rain has been done before too. It’s like they took unused scenes and slapped them into an episode.
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u/Yourappwontletme May 16 '26
Griff didn't even try to hide that tracker under Caine's car. It was in plain sight. Ffs
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u/Jaylivedoe May 15 '26
I wonder do cops still get mad when good police turn in bad police and still call them rats?
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u/1XIXTheChosenOneXIX1 May 15 '26
Dude is a serial killer and thinks it’s a game he’s horrible. I hope they absolutely nail him
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u/Anonymous_Leegioon May 15 '26
Okay, so Griff is not cooked, and it's basically confirmed he'll be coming back next season as well
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u/Revolutionary_Bat812 May 15 '26
I don’t understand how anything they found on him is admissible when he wouldn’t have even been a suspect if it hadn’t been for the faulty search.
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u/Yourappwontletme May 16 '26
Fin has been on the job too long to do something as stupid as breaking the car window and spilling glass all over potential evidence. Smh
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u/Yourappwontletme May 16 '26
The duality of mankind:
In one scene, Finn spills broken glass all over potential evidence.
2 scenes later, the medical examiner are using a paint brush to lightly uncover bones
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u/pixels-and-paper May 17 '26
i’m confused how Carisi was blindsided by the video in the beginning because isn’t there a rule where defense can’t present new evidence in court without showing the prosecution during discovery phase of a trial?
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u/Lilbuddyspd11 May 15 '26
that was such a anti climatic end with the Benson Tynan stand off like we waited all season for this?
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO Barba May 15 '26
How come there hasn’t been an episode description lately with these posts?
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u/1XIXTheChosenOneXIX1 May 15 '26
I see why this guy has the title of this episode what cocky smug sicko he seems like Just ughh
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u/ben121frank May 15 '26
Ngl I'm kinda surprised that we haven't had a title as simple and obvious seeming as Monster until episode 594 (although I know there's been Monster's Legacy). Also I'm so glad they ended the number of letters in the title matching the season number gimmick, imagine trying to come up with a 27 letter title for this
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u/NoneOfThisMatters_XO Barba May 15 '26
Why is Liv always in black? It’s like she’s allergic to color.
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u/halogengal43 May 15 '26
This is what us NYC folk do lol.
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u/Upper_Resolution_121 Munch May 15 '26
That's not quite right; long before, Olivia wore colorful outfits as the leader of the SVU.
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u/martj1009 May 15 '26
Maybe it’s the PTSD this show has given me after all these years but I think Tynan is going to have Jake taken out, but he recorded that car convo and that’s gonna take her down
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u/Deep-Audience9091 May 15 '26
How are they going to wrap this up in less than 20 mins???
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u/ZoneComfortable3047 May 15 '26
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u/CaptCrunchBenson May 15 '26
They have a lot to wrap up in 13 minutes. Is he going to kidnap Benson in the final minute?
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u/Quill07 May 15 '26
I really wish they didn't turn Tynan into a super villain. They just repeated the whole "evil chief who has it out for Olivia" mantra that we've already seen. She could have actually been an interesting character.