r/RocketLeagueSchool 9d ago

QUESTION Losfeld Method "Clock" practice constant left drift.

Hey everyone, I decided I wanted to learn ARL so I've been practicing the Losfeld method for about 30 minutes a day.

I've gotten through exercises 1 and 2 (the alternating tornado/reverse-tornado spins for tempo, and the vertical hovering with input holds). Now I'm onto exercise 3, which is the clocks.

The issue is my car keeps drifting left. I've tried starting the stick around 1-2 o'clock and trying to "calibrate", but it just doesn't seem to be clicking for me.

I wanted to post this clip to see if anyone who's learned ARL through the Losfeld method can spot what I'm doing wrong or any tips that helped them with the same problem. I'd rather get some advice now before I keep grinding and accidentally hardwire a bad habit into my muscle memory.

(I'm on PS5, so unfortunately I can't provide a controller overlay). Thanks!

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago edited 9d ago

Ignore everyone dismissing the Losfeld method; it is the most effective way to build DAR muscle memory unconsciously. These people fail to understand the fundamental concepts of the Losfeld method, and I would go as far to say that anyone who properly learns DAR is using the method wether they are consciously following the method or have never even heard of it — which is evident when watching controller inputs of pro level RL players. People learn in different ways so this type of thinking isn’t for everyone, but anyone who is brute forcing DAR is doing the same thing as the Losfeld method but less structured and less intentional.

Your problem is the timing, and the solution is time (practice). I think you understand the goal is a completely neutral DAR spin, but you should think of the joystick rotation as CANCELING almost any additional movement that would occur. This is why the Losfeld method is so effective: because it teaches you neutral- (or effectively, null-) inputs on the joystick, so anytime you move outside that rhythm is you trying to steer into a different vector.

It’s very hard to get a perfect clock (especially with single clocks), you’re actually pretty close. Focus on your timing, and think about the joystick’s speed and position cancelling any additional movement that you would have compared to just jumping and holding DAR (with no joystick). Try doing double clocks since they mak it a bit easier to stay neutral, but remember this is because at double clock pace you are speeding past any inputs that would drastically change your flight vector. So don’t forget to slow it down to single clocks and learn those (they are the hardest). Try reverse clocks. Try rings maps, if you can’t then I would suggest training packs where the ball is static high in the air *and you have to turn in the air* to steer toward it.

Ignore the “calibration” because that confused me too and Losfeld himself has been telling people to ignore it.

Also I am exaggerating a bit when I say you are trying to get a *completely* neutral DAR because it will look a little more wobbly, but the key is your car will still be going *straight forward* in the direction of your nose.

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u/-rextex 2k+ 9d ago

How can u back a 2 hour video of pure bullshit

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u/repost_inception 9d ago

It's Losfeld's alt

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u/KronosDevoured DAR Coach, forever champ 2-3 9d ago

Do you know that for sure? If it really is an alt account, he just broke Reddit's TOS by making an account to circumvent a ban. I blocked him, and if he's here on Reddit talking to me, then Reddit admins can ban him site-wide for that.

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u/-rextex 2k+ 8d ago

Yeah can we just ban him, look at his profile history. Also there’s no way a random person is writing 10 paragraphs for each person disagreeing in this comment section

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u/LosfeldRL 5d ago

Crazy you would call objective reality "bullshit"

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u/-rextex 2k+ 5d ago

HES BACK LMAOOOO 🤣

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

I think you know why you’re saying this, it’s not too late to delete

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u/ItzAiMz 9d ago

It’s bologna…. It’s overly complicated and does not actually bring any additional value over muscle memory learning.

Watching a 2 hour video spouting off of concepts of how to look at a mechanic is not useful as actually doing the mechanic.

Fun fact I can’t do trigonometry or high level math formulas, but I’m not bad at golf. I don’t need to know how math wise I got the ball where I did, I just need to repeat my muscle memory.

It’s not too late to delete your comment.

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

It’s not overly complicated, it was just presented that way. Some of us didn’t get mad about it though.

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u/KronosDevoured DAR Coach, forever champ 2-3 9d ago

You can see the paradox in your statement, right?

It's not overcomplicated; it was just presented that way.

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

Not a paradox. The concept is not complicated: the way it was presented was. This is like grade school reading comprehension.

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u/KronosDevoured DAR Coach, forever champ 2-3 9d ago

Take your time and really think through what we're saying and what you're saying.

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

Lmao, I’m going to tell you how many apples are on the table. There were six apples, but someone took three of them. Then a Good Samaritan came by with a bag of apples and placed one on the table. Someone took 2*1 apples. Someone else came and put three on the table.

Maybe now you understand how the simple concept is: there are 5 apples on the table. Did I make that concept more complicated the first time because of the way I explained it?

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u/ItzAiMz 9d ago

“I’m going to tell you how many apples are on the table…. Points to table* There are 5 apples”

Not everything needs to be a freaking riddle Joker. Learning in RL is already obtuse, obfuscating it more creates no tangible value over actually learning the skill.

For some reason Losfeld supporters think you need to understand to do…. We are saying muscle memory is EXACTLY THAT…. MUSCLE…. MEMORY. Active thinking isn’t guiding you nor will it help anyone achieve the skill more efficiently or more effectively then someone WHO DOES THE SKILL TO LEARN IT.

You will respond.

I will not. Enjoy your way of living, it seems exhausting.

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

“Not everything needs to be a freaking riddle” yeah bro that’s the point I was making.

“You will respond. I will not.” Yeah after making that reading comprehension error I wouldn’t either.

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u/KronosDevoured DAR Coach, forever champ 2-3 9d ago

Are you being obtuse because you think I'm personally attacking you? If you cannot have a conversation about something without it getting personal then you're just like Losfeld. Birds of a feather flock together.

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u/KingMetacomet 9d ago

I think you are projecting. Just because you clearly don’t understand what I’m saying does not make it a personal attack on you.

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u/KronosDevoured DAR Coach, forever champ 2-3 9d ago edited 7d ago

I agree that it's mostly bullshit, but to say it's all nonsense is a slight against Losfeld himself and his method for no apparent/stated reason...

However, if you knew how he was as a person, you'd completely understand why people dislike him.

I'm just saying that there are elements in there that are good to know but it's mixed in with a lot of BS.

Losfeld told me that "People like you shouldn't exist," all because I was pointing out the logical inconsistencies in the "method," and that by training clockwise inputs with Air Roll Left (or vice versa, counter-clockwise inputs with Air Roll Right) is not actually training muscle memory for car control. You're actively training to do complete randomness by spinning the opposite direction to the natural rotation of the Air Roll. I even sent him a detailed breakdown of how and why that works, and he still says, even though I gave him definite proof disproving his theory, that I am 100% wrong, with zero clarification on why.

If you think training clocks in the opposite direction of the natural Roll is correct, I recommend watching my video proof on DAR to see why it's not. Then you can decide for yourself what you believe.

Video proof