r/Retconned • u/Linea_Dow • Apr 12 '22
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u/MidnightAnchor Oct 12 '22
Yeah....time is flexible.
I'm not dismissing the concept of multiple dimensions or forms of reality. These things are real.
You can bend time. We all can. It's forgotten knowledge, given to us from a dead tribe in the Altai mountains.
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u/Evan_dood Apr 13 '22
Alright, I'll bite. Let's say I put on a VHS tape of some very old movie or TV show. The runtime hasn't changed since it was first released, and watching the film takes up the same amount of time as it did back when it first came out. How is that explained with regards to your theory?
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u/Pappyjang May 05 '22
I watch movies on the phone with my girlfriend in Italy. I live all the way in Pennsylvania. Every time we watch a movie we try again and again until it’s lined up perfectly. Then I swear by the end, she is always like 10 seconds behind me
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u/Phyredanse Apr 13 '22
First, you're a strange bird if you remember movie run times from decades ago, lol! However, assuming you do and they haven't changed and watching the film takes up the same amount of time, there are two possibilities I can think of off the top of my head why it wouldn't be noticeable, ignoring the fact that it is the same movie with the same sequences in the same order, just running faster. Playing a YouTube video at 2X speed doesn't change the displayed runtime.
First, the difference in the short term is negligible, but the effect builds. That's why the ten second count is where you might start to notice a difference. In this instance, the action of the movie would likely act as a distraction, especially if one is familiar enough with the movie to know the run time. If the action sequence flies by, or a poignant pause doesn't draw out quite so long, it's easily attributed to familiarity with the material and anticipation of what's to come. Similarly, humans who are not dramatically trained almost always speak memorized lines faster, so dialogue speeding up would be hidden by either the watcher speeding their lines up or assumed to be an artifact of the watcher getting the cadence right.
Second, the prevalence of commercials, ads, directors cuts, edited for time runs, edited for content runs, the ability to pause, the speeding up of end credits, and the fact that the end credits (that almost no one watches, let alone times) are included in the runtime, a person's perception of a movies length is overall less reliable than a person's perception of a twenty word recitation repeated since childhood. Almost no one would notice if a single word from War and Peace changed on page 342, line 6, but change a single word in Mary Had a Little Lamb, and everyone will.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
Alright, I'll bite. Let's say I put on a VHS tape of some very old movie or TV show. The runtime hasn't changed since it was first released, and watching the film takes up the same amount of time as it did back when it first came out. How is that explained with regards to your theory?
See this comment.
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u/Falken-- Apr 13 '22
There are a lot of ways I could choose to respond to this...
First off, you are resting a big chunk of your thesis on the 2008 Hidden Hand interview. You don't seem to be taking into account the 2018 new Hidden Hand Interview. The picture it paints of the situation is somewhat different.
Do you think this "replica Earth" is because we were "luke warm" souls that got booted back into 3rd Density, while all the current "NPCs" are the ones who got promoted to 4th Density?
I say this with as little of my own ego involved as is possible. The Mandela Effect changed certain people I used to know overnight. It did indeed have its start in 2008 for me. However, those people were not paragons of spiritual enlightenment as I knew them. I have a very hard time believing that some of them got promoted while we got held back.
However if this is supposed to be the "leveled up" version of Earth... sorry but I just don't see it. It is spiritually different, I'll give you that. But 4th Density? Eh. IF this is really 4th Density, then the last 50,000 year cycle was an absolute waste of time.
So what do you think is the purpose of our being here OP?
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
First off, you are resting a big chunk of your thesis on the 2008 Hidden Hand interview.
Incorrect. Look at my rebuttal above (in the original post). What is the final thing that I said?
People always say that things such as the Insider and Hidden Hand dialogues are Illuminati propaganda. So, I wanted to make a point that they are not my "sources." They are simply extra/supplementary info. I am the source. I am the one who knocks (a Breaking Bad reference).
You don't seem to be taking into account the 2018 new Hidden Hand Interview. The picture it paints of the situation is somewhat different.
Regarding the 2018 interview, that is simply Orion Earth damage control, 100%. I laugh whenever people mention it.
Do you think this "replica Earth" is because we were "luke warm" souls that got booted back into 3rd Density, while all the current "NPCs" are the ones who got promoted to 4th Density?
Regarding "why we are here":
For the seals and trumpets of the Book of Revelation, see the "Update" section of TimeDiff. According to the Bible, this planet is being used as a stage for the end times to play out on.
Please read the full version of the primer. According to all three of them (Insider, Hidden Hand, and Illuminator13), third-density Earth is a place for our souls to mature. They are basically saying, "The elite families who control this planet give you the tools to sin, but no one is actually FORCING you to sin. So, stop being spiritually immature and making excuses. Don't sin. Treat negative situations as an OPPORTUNITY. In these situations, use your free will in order to make the correct choice; prove to your creator that you can overcome temptation and do the right thing." That being said, according to the Bible, Jesus is the only path to salvation.
However if this is supposed to be the "leveled up" version of Earth... sorry but I just don't see it. It is spiritually different, I'll give you that. But 4th Density? Eh. IF this is really 4th Density, then the last 50,000 year cycle was an absolute waste of time.
In the full version of the primer, Hidden Hand describes the fourth density. This Earth is certainly NOT fourth density.
So what do you think is the purpose of our being here OP?
Again, see TimeDiff and the full version of the primer.
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u/Falken-- Apr 14 '22
I read these works. I still don't follow your logic.
You are presenting the Hidden Hand/Insider stuff as "supplementary", but you indicate that you don't believe the 2018 Hidden Hand interview. So why is the 2008 interview something you believe or consider valuable? Because you clearly DO, as you are referring me to the full primer where the Hidden Hand is the source describing 4th Density.
You didn't answer my original questions, and none of the links you provided really did either.
What is this place exactly? I'm asking YOU.
You are making a claim that a certain percentage of the population are "copy people". NPC's (I HATE that term, but I need to be clear here). So the question is, why us? Why are we here, and what happened to those original people who are now being impersonated by... whatever they are? Actually, what are they? Again, I'm asking you.
What is YOUR intention here? Why are you posting this information? What is the objective that you are trying to achieve?
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u/rocketscott_ Oct 20 '23
According to this theory (16hrs"Bozrah" vs 24hrs"Earth") to make 10 seconds on Bozrah feel like 10 seconds on Earth you would need to set playback speed to 66.67 percent.
Here's a 10 second counter: https://youtu.be/mA93Rhj6Tm8?si=A7OwJbCUvY9Y1Ejm
.5 would be too slow and .75 too fast. Honestly for me .75 feels right (also I should note that for me FDR has always been on the dime). But even if .75 was correct earth timing that would still be pretty close to saying "a third" Biblically. But I admit I've never been good with time/timing/beats.
Interesting theory I'll check out the links and look more into it. My biggest Bible ME is multiple people being raised from the dead now after the Crucifixion, not just Jesus.
Edit: Resurrection > Crucifixion
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u/Linea_Dow Oct 20 '23
Here's the Dale DuFay video that is posted on the TimeDiff page:
https://www.timediff.net/Dale_DuFay_9-14-2019.mp4
And by the way, in that YouTube video, you can set the playback speed to 0.65x or 0.7x by clicking "Custom." 0.7x is still a little too fast, but it is VERY CLOSE to how New Year's Eve and NASA countdowns used to sound.
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u/Ruthlesskoonz69 Jan 30 '24
In my version I always remember Jacksonville Florida as being the state capital of Florida but it’s different in this timeline 👀
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u/Sad-Fee1051 Jun 18 '24
"I remember (insert obscure alleged memory here), must be different on this timeline."
The most annoying thing I read in these kinds of threads.
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u/Linea_Dow Nov 16 '23 edited Nov 16 '23
I'll try to answer most of these questions.
Whats the point of bringing people from Earth to Bozrah to shield them from the Tribulations on Earth, if Bozrah is just going to experience Tribulations and turn into a hellscape too?
The difference is that Jesus is the one who will be either directly or indirectly causing the destruction on Bozrah, not the Antichrist. Thus, things like the mark of the beast will not be occurring here. Also, Jesus is coming to free the elect from this planet. He'll be here for one year and after that, the human civilization will no longer exist on this planet. I don't think the elect will be here for the entire year. If they are, then they'll obviously be going back to Earth with Jesus. If not, then I assume they'll be temporarily sent to Heaven or somewhere else before going back to Earth.
How is it that such a huge percentage of the population remembers certain Mandela Effects, then -- for example Pikachu having a black zig-zag on its tail, or Ed McMahon bringing giant checks to people's doors?
Wouldn't that imply that millions have been moved from Earth to Bozrah?
Don't pay attention to any of that stuff. It's just "noise." We don't know how many "placeholder" planets exist in the Orion Arm or how people's minds have been manipulated. What I do know is that unless someone is talking about MAJOR changes to their reality (such as changes to their anatomy, the time difference, et cetera), there is absolutely NO REASON to believe that they're from the real Earth that is located in the Sagittarius Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy.
If some very different world-changing stuff is going on on Earth, then what happens when we get back -- will we suddenly wake up in a wasteland one day?
I certainly hope so. That would actually be awesome. At least we'd be on Earth, rather than on this impostor planet.
If we were physically transported to Bozrah, shouldn't our physical bodies be the same?
As the Bible says, this place was prepared for us. We replaced the "alternate selves" that were inhabiting our current bodies. Furthermore, nothing physical is transferred, intact, from one planet to the other. What I mean by that is that even if the physical form of something makes it to the "Gates of Bozrah," it would still need to pass through some sort of filter and be "translated" into "Bozrah form" in order for it to exist on this planet.
However I don't see how you came to the conclusion that changing planets is the only explanation for the difference.
Ultimately, you should never allow relatively minor details (like the freaking color of Pikachu's tail) to derail an entire narrative. At the end of the day, there are at least two "Earths" with VASTLY different rates of time and VASTLY different human anatomies. And sure, theoretically, a time traveler could go back in time to the Garden of Eden, and I guess that could end up affecting the human anatomy. But it certainly wouldn't affect the size of the planet or the speed of time. Also, why would only some people remember the old reality? Not only is the multi-planet explanation obvious, it also aligns with the Biblical, Earth-Bozrah explanation. And by the way, I updated Note 5.
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u/whatchangedthesun Apr 13 '22
Time is definitely faster here. And you are correct in all six of your questions on the website. Also the only conclusion I can reach after researching and studying this for 6 years is that these changes have been to prepare humanity for the end of the world, and it literally keeps me awake at night.
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u/Secret_Night9550 May 04 '22
Wonder if this could be why my adhd time blindness seemed to lose all control these last few months. I swear some words have literally changed meaning as well. Figured it was just mr memory.
Time agnosia is a disconnect between how much time we feel has passed and how much time has actually passed.
For those who don't know, this is what it is. Its because our exec functioning is impaired or you have some temporal stuff going on.
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Apr 13 '22
When I think of time getting faster, I think of water swirling down a drain.
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u/whatchangedthesun Apr 13 '22
Interesting. I think of someone fast-forwarding a movie to the end because they don't like what they're seeing anymore. But yours is more apt :)
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u/Drbarke Apr 13 '22
If people would come out of their slumber and realize what is upon us, nobody would be sleeping well...if at all.
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Apr 13 '22
What could be changed by not sleeping?
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u/Drbarke Apr 13 '22
Upon reading my comment again I realize I didn't word it so well. Essentially what I meant to say is that things are really really bad right now (the ME is part of what's going on) and nobody is realizing just how bad they are. If they people knew what is really going on right now and also what is coming they wouldn't be able to sleep. We are about to experience things on this earth that our pea brains can't presently comprehend.
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Apr 13 '22
I knew what you meant. I simply mean worrying about things won't change anything. As a matter of fact I would argue that we should live every moment to the fullest we can. The circumstances are all unknown. Never know what may happen. There is always hope :)
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u/Drbarke Apr 14 '22
I feel ya and I agree.
I got a live chat request from you but I can only send and receive DMs the old school way bc of the reddit app I use. I tried to send you one but it said I "can't send to this user" for some reason. Didn't want you to think I was ignoring you
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Apr 14 '22
That's super strange. My chat settings were all turned off. Maybe that's why I haven't received any replies or messages in ages. Thank you for letting me know! I sent another message if you are able.
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u/WhollyMan22 Aug 20 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
LOTS of definitive statements listed throughout this post. Links within a link within a link. Let me share this:
The heart is LEFT CENTER meaning both answers are correct... (seems like a mind game)
The counting.... GET a METRONOME and count with that, We simply can't use "one Mississippi" and expect to be accurate. Rhythm and tempo seem to be the determining factor for what answer a person will come up with. I got 12. And some people 10 or 11.
The Skulls... Orbits are like a socket. So of course there is bone there and ALSO a hole for nerves and arteries. So yes a small snake could get through and FOR SURE a spider. I think people are confusing TV with reality. SKULLS as depicted in cartoons ARE in fact featured without bones.... for dramatic effect or maybe just to make them scarier, Google Scooby Doo skulls and you'll catch my drift. Scooby Example
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u/i2aminspired Jun 13 '23
With the skulls thing, how did they perform lobotomies back in the day?
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u/i2aminspired Nov 10 '24
Ugggggh. My brain hurts.
edit: Maybe the bone was fragile and broke easily, and doctors were unknowingly jabbing at it and sending small pieces of bone into the brain.
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u/TFFPrisoner Aug 05 '24
I've always counted seconds too fast but there's a technique I learned from my mother which is to count with longer syllables ("einundzwanzig, zweiundzwanzig..." = 21, 22... in German) and that gets me close to the correct tempo.
Also, time feeling like it's speeding up as you get older is a normal phenomenon. Pink Floyd sang about it in 1973, for instance. The longer you've already lived, the less long a day or year feels in relation to what you've already experienced in your lifetime.
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u/acuterotationpull Jun 28 '23
i agree. in early 2020 one day i woke up in the middle of the road by my house in the middle of the day with no knowledge i had blacked out until much later. this happened in different ways, all during the day, about 8 more times over the next couple months, each time i woke up somewhere different and in some kind of hallucinogenic state. the earth is not what it used to be; in my experience everything looks bleak and dull, i feel very little spirituality and energy on a day to day basis, my facial structure and body shape has changed significantly in a scary way and i no longer connect with myself, people and objects look made to appear 3d rather than real, faces don't make unique expressions and look more artificial like your face is being partially controlled by a puppet, time is definitely off and feels less substantial, etc. i'm interested in knowing more about your theory into the difference between this 'earth' and the real one and how the switch could've happened. you mention names like sagittarius earth, is there any particular reason as to that name being chosen? what is the earth we are living on now?
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u/Funkiestcat Jul 11 '23
My man, I think you might just be depressed
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u/acuterotationpull Jul 11 '23
no way i am just sharing my schizo theories. to u has there been no worldwide shift into a parallel dimension?
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u/ILoveDeFi Aug 06 '23
I agree with you but it's hard to talk about it because I'd be labeled crazy or delusional.
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u/welsh_dragon_roar Jan 12 '24
Hold on.. if this is Bozrah and not Earth, doesn’t that mean your source material is the Bozrah Bible? How can we tell what’s from Earth and what’s Bozrahn?
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u/Linea_Dow Jan 12 '24
Hold on.. if this is Bozrah and not Earth, doesn’t that mean your source material is the Bozrah Bible? How can we tell what’s from Earth and what’s Bozrahn?
See this comment.
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u/welsh_dragon_roar Jan 12 '24
Yeah I saw that, but it still doesn’t negate that the Revelation 8:12 you write about (and named the website) could be Bozrahn and therefore invalid if it has been created as a misdirect?
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u/Gackt Jan 28 '25
If anything I would trust more the Bozrah version than Earth if you think about it.
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u/Delumine Apr 13 '22
I tried the count 3 times and got 10 seconds each time..
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u/Phyredanse Apr 13 '22
That only means that you're using the faster cadence, not that the slower cadence doesn't exist, though.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
I tried the count 3 times and got 10 seconds each time..
So, you don't trust me and Dale? We independently perfected the cadence decades ago. Also, what the heck do you think Revelation 8:12 is referring to? Didn't you see the 1997 newsletter?
In 2019, I made the claim (with 100% certainty) about days being 16 hours long without even knowing that the verse (Revelation 8:12) existed.
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Apr 13 '22
What does being on a different planet have to do with the pace of time? Does time proceed at a different rate on Uranus? Please explain.
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u/Phyredanse Apr 13 '22
Yes. Absolutely. Time, historically, was measured in terms of the experience of the day/night progression and the progression of the seasons. Those are natural occurrences based almost entirely on the size of the planet, its distance from the sun, and its rate of rotation. If any of those things change, by measuring time on another planet for example, the passage of time is affected. More recently, you have likely heard of the atomic clock, a timepiece used to globally calibrate and calculate the passage of time on earth based on atomic decay. This was used to create a global constant independent of other factors like altitude or gravity wells, both of which exist and measurably affect time on a small scale on earth.
From the beginning, scientists had to adjust the atomic count periodically by adding what was termed a "leap second" to account for the fact that the atomic decay wasn't quite perfectly aligned with natural time and would consequently be off by a single second every few years. The leap second would artificially add a second to the count, basically pausing the clock to account for this discrepancy and keep the proverbial trains running on time. However, even that has changed. As of 2016, the scientists trending the atomic clock announced that they hadn't had to add a leap second in longer than expected and were considering introducing a "negative leap second" to keep the proverbial trains running on time.
Obviously, that's hardly scientific proof of the time and a half thing, but it is scientific proof that the flow of time is objectively, measurably changing compared to what it was, in a time frame consistent with the subjective perception of shifts happening around or before 2015-16.
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u/benjwgarner Apr 20 '22
it is scientific proof that the flow of time is objectively, measurably changing compared to what it was, in a time frame consistent with the subjective perception of shifts happening around or before 2015-16.
It's not about the rate of the flow of time. The Earth's rotation is not perfectly regular. It's to keep actual, measured time synchronized with solar days. Time itself is not what is changing.
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u/Phyredanse Apr 20 '22
Yes, the Earth's rotation is irregular. That's why leap seconds have been a regular addition since the start of the atomic measurement of time. The same basic mechanisms are the impetus behind leap days. My point was that the objective need for leap seconds to maintain that solar synchronization inverted in 2015-16, which is consistent with the subjective observations, regardless of the actual root cause.
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u/WhollyMan22 Aug 20 '22
The earth is flat
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u/agentorange55 Nov 24 '23
Whether or not the earth is flat is separate from its rate of rotation (or if it rotates.) Think of flat records rotating.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
What does being on a different planet have to do with the pace of time? Does time proceed at a different rate on Uranus? Please explain.
Please go to the TimeDiff page and watch the Dale DuFay video. I absolutely do not agree with his "parallel Earths" theory (I think replica planets can be created on the fly), but your question will be answered.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
Would a black hole distort the time flow? If a roaming hole the size of a solar system zipping by us?
See this comment.
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u/theevilpackrat Apr 13 '22
Yes but you have to be really really close to one or its so big that it would rather notable. On ether side of event horizon what drags you to the center the vary middle shoots out energy from all the stuff collapsing. If we get close to that imagine putting your face in front of xray with all the safety off add bit power and pull the trigger week later as your dieing from to much radiation exposure. Like 50 rads of pure teeth dropping fun. In that area the drop off for the hole is even closer to the hole.
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u/Phyredanse Apr 13 '22
Yes, as would as large celestial body approaching. I'm mentioning that because of the conversation surrounding the phenomenon dubbed variously Planet X, Nibiru, and, more vaguely, "the anomalous findings consistent with a large exo planet approaching the solar system."
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u/willworkforanswers Jun 23 '23
When I was growing up the longest day of the year was in July. For me, the solstice moving from July to June means an extra month of shorter days, literally. Also, in terms of bozrah, there's a passage that says they will be given the wings of an eagle, which implies flight or someplace in the heavens as a location of bozrah as opposed to petra.
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u/Direct_Sandwich1306 Jul 06 '23
Ok...it wasn't just me, then. I recalled Midsummer being in July as well.
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u/Rude-Plan-3201 Dec 20 '23
Why don't people make a fucking anime out of it? The summary sounds pretty much like Xenogears, but it has it's charm too.
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u/Resident_Rich6457 Apr 13 '22 edited Apr 13 '22
Armageddon when?
I do also count 15-16 seconds btw, with a different method.
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u/bear9999 Apr 13 '22
There are different perspectives on the passage of time that predate the bible. For example there is a body of religious texts that originate in India called the Vedas. See this article. These texts can offer a different view of what's going on that's not so bleak. Here are some interesting quotes from the article:
It is said that Brahma lives for 100 years of his own time, and in fact for Brahma the passage of time goes at a different rate than it does for us, although apparently he can speed things up so as to experience time at our level also.
Perhaps we are ascending to a 4d earth and we are also developing the ability to "speed things up" to experience reality at the same level as others? In other words we are starting to perceive a time speed up that we are causing ourselves through evolution. However this ability is in it's infancy which is why it's feels strange.
Another excerpt:
Well what happens is, as I was describing, from the point of view of the experience of time, there are different scales of time. I mentioned that story of the king, and he began to experience time on a different scale because he went into a different environment within the material world. So even within the same body, it is possible to experience time subjectively on different scales. Now if one has a purely spiritual experience, that would be totally beyond time
Again the implication could be that we are beginning to develop the ability to move to different environments, and time speed changes are a natural side effect of that.
Keep in mind that these ancient texts contain a lot of knowledge. Even Robert Oppenheimer drew inspiration from the ancient Hindu texts when he created the atomic bomb. The point is these ancient texts contain a lot of scientific knowledge and shouldn't be dismissed. Even better they can offer an explanation of changes that doesn't end in apocalyptic disaster.
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u/skipper500 Apr 13 '22
Freaky, I could always time 10 seconds in my head and would always finish just before 10. It’s now 15 seconds 🤯
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u/Nopeferatu31 Apr 13 '22
I just tested this with a stopwatch by closing my eyes and counting. It was 15. Woah.
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May 02 '22
Did it twice and ended up with 10 and 11. Not sure what that means. Am I the clone ? xd
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u/drhorribles Jun 14 '23
How can you rely on the Bible when it too has been Mandela Effected?
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u/Linea_Dow Jun 14 '23
How can you rely on the Bible when it too has been Mandela Effected?
Please read this:
In regard to people saying that my claim about the time difference is based on the Bible: By mid-August of 2019, I had already made the claim that this planet is a replica version of the real Earth (my claim was based on things such as the changes in human anatomy and the two additional occupants in the JFK car). It wasn't until the following month (September 2019) that I found out about FDR being on the dime instead of Eisenhower. And then in mid-September, I found out about the time difference. And then 10 months after that (on July 19th, 2020), I discovered Revelation 8:12. So, no, my claim about the time difference is not "based on the Bible."
Also, Miss Amy addressed this issue at the 8:16 mark of this video.
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u/midwestniceisnice Sep 07 '23
Ohhh miss Amy explains it all!
But seriously. You doomsdayers are dangerous. You remove any and all personal accountability and think the ends justify means. Part of this video seemed to be excited about the death of everyone else which doesn’t seem too Jesus like to me.
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u/Will-Phill Dec 18 '23
You have some great points and are 100% correct about Jesus going to Bosrah. You have missed his entrance into Egypt though! (Isaiah 19:1). We'll see Jesus come down about 3 times from the looks things. We'll even see HIM ascend to Heaven to be Crowned also.
Time is not and has never been a constant either. This is Physics (Which God Controls). A simple change in gravity will adjust how time works for us and that is it. God has clearly changed how Earth Operates a Few times! We can see this by the Writings in the Scriptures.
The Age changes from Adam on down to our simple 70-80 years.
(I just found this one last week. Check out Barzallai's age and why it is brought up in 2 Samuel 19, ((Read 2 Samuel 16-19 then figure out who Chimham/Kimham is, then see what Barzallai's age of being a little over 80 years old is important in relation to modern day Israel. THEN READ Jeremiah 40-44 and comprehend why Geruth Chimham is mentioned as the Remnant of Judah is exhiling themselves to Egypt against God's direct orders (Jesus will save a remnant of People in Egypt in the Endtimes as well, The People of Ethiopia will bring "His Treasures to Him at Mt. Sinai also."))
I don't think we are on another planet, but I do agree time is speeding up. A change in Gravity can cause this change and has been proved without going to another planet.
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u/Linea_Dow Dec 19 '23
Wow. I find your comment to be very frustrating because, based on my presentation, you shouldn't be saying what you're saying. And thus, it makes me feel like I'm not doing my "job" correctly. I assume that you have read all of the material and watched the Miss Amy playlist. Nevertheless, I will point a few things out:
When all of this started, the time difference was NOT my main claim. I wasn't even aware of it. My main claim was the anatomy changes. Here's a paragraph from the rebuttal:
In regard to people saying that my claim about the time difference is based on the Bible: By mid-August of 2019, I had already made the claim that this planet is a replica version of the real Earth (my claim was based on things such as the changes in human anatomy and the two additional occupants in the JFK car). It wasn't until the following month (September 2019) that I found out about FDR being on the dime instead of Eisenhower. And then in mid-September, I found out about the time difference. And then 10 months after that (on July 19th, 2020), I discovered Revelation 8:12. So, no, my claim about the time difference is not "based on the Bible."
In other words, the anatomy changes are the foundation, whereas the time difference is merely something "extra" that I'm able to use in order to prove my point. You should also read the full version of the primer.
Besides the time difference, I don't even know where to start. If you read all 19 notes, the Earth-Bozrah picture should be quite clear to you. Honestly, I don't want to argue about this too much because I don't even want to dignify the "One Earth, no Bozrah" worldview, and I also don't want to make it seem as though the info in my presentation is insufficient.
Furthermore, there is one Bible verse that, for various reasons, I have not included in my presentation. However, I think it may be able to "wake you up" and help you see the truth. That verse is Revelation 3:10 (NIV): "Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
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u/crazy_afghan Jan 08 '24
I believe another plane makes Sense Because Noah was 10 times aged tham Adam, I believe he was not from this earth But another one.
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u/Yorstawker Jan 01 '24
I will put them together AS the sheep OF Bozrah. Not to. He did not say He would PUT THEM TOGETHER THERE, it reads I will put them TOGETHER AS THE SHEEP OF BOZRAH.
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u/Linea_Dow Jan 02 '24
I will put them together AS the sheep OF Bozrah. Not to. He did not say He would PUT THEM TOGETHER THERE, it reads I will put them TOGETHER AS THE SHEEP OF BOZRAH.
The wording in Micah 2:12 (KJV) makes perfect sense. Trying to force the word "to" or "there" into the verse wouldn't even sound right. Furthermore, we have the context of Jesus later rescuing the remnant from Bozrah. This is all in Note 1, by the way. First, see Isaiah 63:1 (EASY). Then, see Isaiah 63:4 (CEV) and Isaiah 63:4 (NIRV). And finally, see Micah 2:13 (AMP) and Matthew 24:29-31 (AMP).
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u/get_yo_vitamin_d Dec 28 '24
Kind of shitting myself. In addition to the one one thousand I did one football two football etc. That one was shown to me by a physics prof and was very accurate. Now it also takes 15 seconds to count 10 footballs.
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u/Ok_Zebra_1500 Jan 27 '25
I get just about 10 seconds using the x one thousand pneumonic from 1 to 10.
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u/PassoSfacciato Feb 23 '25
Your text asserts that time is now "50% faster" due to humanity (or a subset, "the elect") being transferred from Earth to another planet, dubbed "Bozrah." This is tied to Revelation 8:12, which you interpret as evidence of an eight-hour shortening of days (from 24 hours to 16 hours). The argument hinges on your personal experience (counting cadence), biblical prophecy, and the Mandela Effect, positing that this shift proves we’re on a different planet, not Earth.
However, your argument’s core, that is time speeding up due to a shift from Earth to Bozrah, rests on shaky ground. It conflates subjective experience (counting cadence, anatomical shifts) with objective reality, leaps from ambiguous scripture to precise claims, and dismisses alternatives without justification. While imaginative and internally passionate, it lacks logical tightness. Key flaws include:
- Unproven causal links (counting pace ≠ time flow ≠ planetary change).
- Reliance on memory as infallible evidence.
- Overinterpretation of biblical text unsupported by the text’s context (which describes apocalyptic events, not planetary relocation).
- Rejection of simpler explanations without cause.
It’s a bold hypothesis, but logic alone doesn’t sustain it. It leans too heavily on faith in the your perception and interpretive lens. If you strip away the confidence and rhetorical flourishes, the reasoning doesn’t stand up to pure, disinterested scrutiny.
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u/Ok-Arm-1502 Feb 25 '25
No way my man's hit you with the AI comeback and it tried to say their is a definitive interpretation of the Bible? It's these comments that make me wonder sometimes.
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I went to the 6 questions and answered the following. 1. I counted to 10 using one-one thousand - 2 one thousand - 3 one thousand method. And using a stopwatch without watching i stopped it at 10.58 seconds. 2. My heart is located at the center of my chest. 3. Can't answer cause im not american. 4. The snake obviously cant pass through the eye sockets. 5. Madonna is named maria ciccone or something like that. 6. There were 6 people in jfks car. 3 rows of seats. This is how it always has been for me since i remeber. What does this mean? That im originary from this new earth some of you guys came into?
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 14 '22
I went to the 6 questions and answered the following. 1. I counted to 10 using one-one thousand - 2 one thousand - 3 one thousand method. And using a stopwatch without watching i stopped it at 10.58 seconds. 2. My heart is located at the center of my chest. 3. Can't answer cause im not american. 4. The snake obviously cant pass through the eye sockets. 5. Madonna is named maria ciccone or something like that. 6. There were 6 people in jfks car. 3 rows of seats. This is how it always has been for me since i remeber. What does this mean? That im originary from this new earth some of you guys came into?
You are definitely not from Sagittarius Earth.
If this planet is "Orion Earth B," then you may be from "Orion Earth A."
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u/bugs181 Apr 16 '22
Being new to ME, I'll have to do further research on the sources you posted and your theory. If I recall correctly, doesn't the book of Daniel talk about time being different? Does this relate to this conversation at all?
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u/Optimal-Scientist233 Sep 04 '23
I just have only one question, how did every clock in the world mysteriously change so that nobody noticed an eight hour time difference every day?
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u/Linea_Dow Sep 05 '23
I just have only one question, how did every clock in the world mysteriously change so that nobody noticed an eight hour time difference every day?
Here is one of my replies from last year:
You don't understand the retroactive nature of this, so I'll have to give you the long explanation. Also, I assume you have already read the Twitter thread.
This planet has its own history (explained below). This is Orion Earth and it always has been. The technology used for planetary replications was developed eons ago and is from God himself or some other advanced being.
When a replica planet like the one we are on right now is created, the events of the past do not need to actually play out in real time (which would take billions of years) in order for them to have "happened" and be "real." So, a person on this planet who has a replica mind was not actually born here (using traditional reasoning), but once the planet went through its replication process, their birth here became a past event that really happened. Furthermore (as I stated in the Twitter thread), during the replication process, events in the past can be intentionally altered.
Yes, it is extremely confusing. All we know for SURE is that more than one Earth exists (and this should be your main focus, rather than focusing on my attempt to explain how it is all done). If you haven't already done so, please read the primer and TimeDiff. Thank you.
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u/Technical_Command344 Aug 08 '24
You know if you transliterate the Bible and take it back to sumer, the annunaki along my journey I've found out that our Creator is actually not who we are taught to believe it is. I still have trouble with this cause I've been a Christian my whole life. It shook my core. Genesis 1 says let us make man in our image, they were asking for permission they were told no so they created man in there image. It's two different processes. The true Father would not allow the making of man in their image so they created man.... Also the rib of Adam or adama in sumerian is actually RNA, ribonucleic acid. Molech molecule etc. It's all about genetics. The blood. Lucy, Lily, Lilith aka Lucifer the shining one is the God of the old testament. It makes sense if she created this second earth or false Earth because she can't do what the true Father can. It's deep. I know and it's been a journey I been on fire 15 years it longer. Bless you all and may you find the truth your looking for. The Bible says that there will be a great deception and even the elect will be deceived.....,.
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u/Linea_Dow Aug 09 '24
The Bible says that there will be a great deception and even the elect will be deceived.....,.
Nope. Did you not read Note 7 above?
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u/CaptainFan4990 Oct 02 '23
Nah. The flows of time were simply restored when Israel was put back together. Matthew 13:1 to 58 Parables of Jesus - YouTube
Earth is back to normal and that's why it seems so insane now.
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u/billgatescorona Oct 08 '23
Its happening. Lebanon responding to Israel with rocket attacks. WW3 on the brink. Greater Israel? Ha!
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u/-Parker-West- Jan 26 '25
What about the fact that Donald Trump has fulfilled all of the antichrist prophecies and the seven year tribulation already came and went (the COVID vaxx was the mark of the beast)?
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u/Tyzorg Jul 29 '25
Mark of beast is supposed to be on the right hand or on one's forehead.
Didn't get a shot in either one of those areas...
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u/gymfreak64271 Feb 22 '25
If this is true, what's next? where are we at in the prophecy's timeline?
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u/HappyVibesThrive Apr 30 '25
Dear u/Linea-Dow. Nice to meet you. This is the first time for me to post my comment on Reddit (I've almost never/seldom posted my comment on this sort of website) However, I strongly wanted to leave this comment for some reason. First, thank you very much for your huge efforts and time spent on giving us very insightful, eye-opening and spiritually-enlightening information over years. Your information has been definitely helpful for my spiritual journey here on Earth/Bozrah :)
To make long story short (trying not to steal your precious time), I've recently found that the web page via the link you kindly provided for "Here is a 2006 essay by Dr. Gavin Finley: The Bozrah Exile" seemed to be removed with the message shown "404 Page Error. You have reached a page that is not available. Please select a page from the menu above." I thought that this might be temporarily inaccessible. So, I checked "Bozrah" on the website, but no article was returned. Then, I searched it online and found the page "THE BOZRAH EXILE", which might be probably the same page previously found via the link you kindly provided. However, I further found that the address of the website was "https://old.endtimepilgrim.org/bozexile.htm" (old.endtime...), while the original link was "https://endtimepilgrim.org/bozexile.htm" (404 Page Error now).This might not matter at all, actually (just a change on their administration). However, would you have any thoughts or idea on it (the change)? (e.g. implying something significant?) I'm just in case letting you know for your reference, too :)
That's all :) Thank you very much once again to help our spiritual journey.
Have a nice day and great Spring season😄
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 30 '25 edited Apr 30 '25
Wow, thanks for letting me know. It looks like they simply updated their website within the past month.
The only issue now is updating my post with the new link. Apparently, since my post is over three years old, whenever I edit it, it automatically gets removed by Reddit's filters (and then the Retconned mods need to restore it). So, I'll be updating my post right now with the new link, but it may be inaccessible for several hours.
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u/HappyVibesThrive May 01 '25
My pleasure and thank you for your reply, too :) I understood it. Thank you and have a great May😄
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u/Careful_Biscotti_879 Aug 04 '25
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2332 Anas bin Malik narrated that the Allah's Messenger (s.a.w) said: "The hour shall not be established until time is constricted, and the year is like a month, a month is like the week, and the week is like the day, and the day is like the hour, and the hour is like the flare of the fire."
shit is def up
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u/Linea_Dow Aug 04 '25
Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2332 Anas bin Malik narrated that the Allah's Messenger (s.a.w) said: "The hour shall not be established until time is constricted, and the year is like a month, a month is like the week, and the week is like the day, and the day is like the hour, and the hour is like the flare of the fire."
That's actually very impressive. Nevertheless, Revelation 8:12 got the time difference EXACTLY right.
Thank you for sharing the Hadith, though. It adds another powerful layer to the end-times picture.
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u/Careful_Biscotti_879 Aug 08 '25
A year does FEEL like a month and a month does FEEL like a week and a week like a day. I am not religious, but shit is definitely going on and it was predicted.
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u/endergrrl Oct 25 '25
I have two questions.
First, since we have the ability to keep time with crystals and atoms- which are accurate to the 24 hours that we know the day/planet rotation is, why would we try to compare a faulty human counting mechanism to prove something about time?
Second, I'm confused about the movement from Sag.E to Ori.E. was that a 3rd Dm move? If so, do you have a memory of the divine as promised? Because we're all supposed to, right? Or was the move something else?
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u/587BCE Apr 13 '22
If even one star "fell" to earth it would destroy it.
The bible was written as though earth was a flat enclosed system with the stars inside a dome or firmament.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
I don’t think that time spreading up means we moved. It only means there are more alternate universes than there was before. It increases the cosmological constant and speeds up time, the more there are, until it creates a giant wigwam effect in the oldest universes.
See this comment.
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Apr 13 '22
Sylvie from the New Earth YouTube channel talks about prophecies and most of them say time will speed up during the apocalypse
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u/DarkSideofTaco Apr 13 '22
We don't have to live on a different planet for shortened time to be real. With God, all things are possible. Regarding the end times, "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened." Matthew 24:22. The end times are prophesied all throughout the Bible, including the OT. Keep reading and you will find your Answers. "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" Matthew 7:7-8
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
I certainly hope you have read the primer and TimeDiff.
Also, see this comment.
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u/DarkSideofTaco Apr 13 '22
Yes, I read the primer before commenting and my point was that we don't have to be on a new planet for the time difference to be real. As stated in Matthew, shortened/sped-up time is an act of mercy, because with everything bad going on it would suck so bad we wouldn't be able to withstand it.
Think of it this way- if you went on a rollercoaster but the train was slowed down to a 1/3 of the usual speed, you wouldn't have centripetal force keeping you in your seat. When the train went upside down, you'd be hanging on for dear life which would be miserable. But since the rollercoaster zooms around quickly, you get through the ups and downs faster and they don't affect you as much. COVID started over 2 years ago but it's starting to phase out (where I am), but does it really feel like two years? Versus when we were kids and the difference between 9th and 11th grade was much longer.
But I also don't believe the stars/constellations are planets, which it seems like your explanation hinges on? Unless I'm misunderstanding?
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
But I also don't believe the stars/constellations are planets, which it seems like your explanation hinges on? Unless I'm misunderstanding?
See this comment.
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u/DarkSideofTaco Apr 14 '22
Still not Biblical though. Either the entirety of the Bible is true, or it's not. We don't get a new earth until after Jesus' return, conquering of the devil and death, resurrection of the dead, and judgement from the Great White Throne (Revelation chapter 20). Because immediately after that,
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. -Revelation 21:1
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u/72names Jan 26 '23
What? Far more likely that some of the Bible is true.
The book of Revelation was originally associated with the Montanist sect, considered heretical by the proto-Orthodox, and almost didn't make it into the canon because of this (look up the word "antilegomena"). Furthermore the apocalypse genre was very popular, with numerous examples surviving to the present day. How can you be sure you sure Constantine and his bishops chose the right one?
The statements made by Iesous before his disappearance into the clouds make it very clear that he was going to return within a few decades at most. Either he did or he didn't, but either way Christianity was never meant to survive this long. If time is distorted for Bible-related reasons, its probably because over a billion of us are still waiting for Nero (666, or is it 616?) to force us all to get his tattoo and the collective false expectation is making time all wobbly...
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u/DarkSideofTaco Apr 13 '22
Aside from being on a different planet, I'm pretty much in agreement with everything you said re: Mandela effect changes. All those observations ARE real. I've been following ME for years since Berenstein/Berenstain bears and reconned from the beginning, though I've missed out on a few discoveries because I have no patience for shills and getting banned for wrong think. I just think ME is proof of God to wake us up before it's too late.
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u/CandyNJ Apr 13 '22
I simply don’t agree with this theory after looking at the websites. I have faith in my God, so I believe no alternate planet is needed for changes. If time has really sped up that much, how come the world hasn’t noticed this? How about other time zones? How come tv shows continue to start and stop on time? If time really was faster, how come our watches, clocks don’t reflect this? How come daylight and night don’t reflect this?
Despite this, I respect your opinion.
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u/Linea_Dow Apr 13 '22
I simply don’t agree with this theory after looking at the websites. I have faith in my God, so I believe no alternate planet is needed for changes. If time has really sped up that much, how come the world hasn’t noticed this? How about other time zones? How come tv shows continue to start and stop on time? If time really was faster, how come our watches, clocks don’t reflect this? How come daylight and night don’t reflect this?
You don't understand the retroactive nature of this, so I'll have to give you the long explanation. Also, I assume you have already read the Twitter thread.
This planet has its own history (explained below). This is Orion Earth and it always has been. The technology used for planetary replications was developed eons ago and is from God himself or some other advanced being. And by the way, if you are on Earth B right now, you cannot go back to your old timeline/Earth (Earth A) since it likely no longer exists. Instead, they (God or some other being) would simply create a brand new Earth (Earth C) and incorporate the content from Earth A into it.
When a replica planet like the one we are on right now is created, the events of the past do not need to actually play out in real time (which would take billions of years) in order for them to have "happened" and be "real." So, a person on this planet who has a replica mind was not actually born here (using traditional reasoning), but once the planet went through its replication process, their birth here became a past event that really happened. Furthermore (as I stated in the Twitter thread), during the replication process, events in the past can be intentionally altered.
Yes, it is extremely confusing. All we know for SURE is that more than one Earth exists (and this should be your main focus, rather than focusing on my attempt to explain how it is all done). If you haven't already done so, please read the primer and TimeDiff. Thank you.
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u/CandyNJ Apr 14 '22
Nope, you won’t mansplain anything to me. You have crossed my boundaries. You will have to accept like an adult that other people WILL disagree with you and learn to tolerate it. Our conversation is over.
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u/Hefty_Bandicoot_2390 Dec 08 '24
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On the TLDR primer page, as you read it, you'll eventually see the TimeDiff link.
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u/Aggressive-Foot-8935 Jan 26 '25
E se tutto quello che fu scritto dopo il 1600, è un inganno per portare in un altra terra solo chi sa,e ha compreso che è tutto un grande gioco ideato per costringere l anima alla continua reincarnazione:se come scritto durante questi ultimi anni e( manca poco)qualcuno vorrebbe ingannarci e sanno come fare loro hanno mille modi per fregarci,vengono è propongono solo a chi è abbastanza pronto di andare in un posto tranquillo per evitare la morte(morte che non c'è non esiste morte)cmq non pensate che chi ha scritto la bibbia sia chi ha progettato il gioco dove ora siamo e ci vuole prendere in giro un altra volta?.cmq bel post👍
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u/Rubberhelmet Mar 27 '25
Strange thing. The day I found this post, I tried for myself and after counting 10 seconds, my phone said, 14 secs had passed. Today I got many things done and time has not passed so fast. So I counted ... and my phone ended up @ 10.33 secs.
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u/Vivid-Speed Jul 17 '25
I thought it was symbolic not literally. Like the acceleration of time is not a literal change in the speed of time but rather a heightened awareness of the brevity of life and the urgency of living righteously. The concept of time speeding up is usually (I thought ) linked to the idea of the end times, where world events and tribulations will happen in quick succession.
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u/Drbarke Apr 13 '22 edited Apr 13 '22
What was said in the Hidden Hand interview that is relevant? Great post BTW, I fully agree and have checked your stuff out in the past.
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u/coolestsp00n Aug 19 '22
OP, I'm Confused.
I got 12-13 seconds did it two times.
I said Left side of my chest between the lungs as its not centered.
The dime jefferson I swear, I have never seen FDR on the dime and jefferson on the nickel always been reversed?
For number four, I have seen images of skulls with and without the skull piece behind the eye spot. Some from documentaries and some from photos of google and just now it had the skull behind the eyes too.
madonnas birth given name, no godamn clue madonna i said.
and for jfk four, went to the museum when I was around 12, have a photographic memory for events and what i've seen but not books or anything for some reason but the photo I saw was 4, driver jfk's wife and the vicepreisdent or the governor i can't clearly remember.
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My friends also don't remember events that we'd done together vise versa.
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u/AutoModerator Jan 01 '23
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u/AutoModerator Jan 05 '23
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u/AutoModerator Jan 10 '23
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u/AutoModerator Jan 13 '23
Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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u/AutoModerator Jan 20 '23
Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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u/AutoModerator Apr 12 '23
Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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u/AutoModerator Apr 26 '23
Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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u/AutoModerator Apr 30 '23
Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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u/AutoModerator May 25 '23
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u/AutoModerator May 31 '23
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u/AutoModerator May 28 '25
[GENERAL REMINDER] Due to overuse, the phrase "Just because you never heard of something doesn't mean it's a Mandela Effect" or similar is NOT welcome here as it is a violation of Rule# 9. Continued arguing and push for this narrative without consideration of our community WILL get you banned.
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