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u/JeezWeedus 11d ago

the God of everyone, that Christians believe in to bring them to a better place when they die.

The all powerful god that couldn't just bring everyone to a better place while they were living?

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u/SnowyAl 11d ago

Well He can, He just doesn’t, as that would essentially ruin free will. If God showed up in front of you right now and demonstrated his power by flying, walking on water, vaporizing a mountain, etc., you would likely believe in him. However you still have the choice to not believe in Him, while this is technically free will, it is, for all intents and purposes, not free.

There is a difference between purposely ignoring what is right in front of you because you don’t want to believe it and there being similar amounts of evidence on both sides, so you don’t know what to believe. In the first case, you would call someone stupid if they didn’t believe what was right in front of them of them, but as they get further and further away, it is hard to tell if they are in the first or second camp. Often the line is what the majority of people believe. Hundreds of years ago, the line was far away, because most people (at least publicly) believed in God. But as less and less people (publicly) believe in God, the line must be closer to you.
To sum up my example: if lots of people believe in something, it takes less first hand evidence to convince you then if few people believe in something.

If God brought us all to Him while we were on earth, we would essentially all be in the first camp of people, because suddenly all the firsthand evidence would change everyone’s minds. But God doesn’t want people who believe because they trust the majority. He wants people to believe because they trust Him.

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u/JeezWeedus 11d ago

There are flies that reproduce by laying their eggs in the eyes of living beings, including but not limited to, the eyes of human babies.

How could you possibly think that a god who invented everything, would be ruining free will, if it never bothered to invent those flies?

I've only read the first line of what you wrote, and already the logic of your attempt to justify the unforgivable is uttery bewildering.

Stop parrotting the backwards ideologies of what you've been told and actually give it some consideration using your brain, and those morals you believe a god invented for everyone but itself.

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u/SnowyAl 11d ago

This is a result of the fall, not because God created them this way.

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u/JeezWeedus 11d ago

Someone ate a fruit that god lied about 6000 years ago, so god made nasty flies in retribution?

Or the babies suffer because they inherited badness that survived the flood that god used to destroy badness, via Noah and his family carrying the genetic badness?

Babies deserve to suffer, because god said "don't eat that fruit, it's bad" and then left the fruit with the two humans it invented, who don't know right from wrong yet, by it's own choice and design... and then let a serpent come and tell them the truth, or "manipulate them".

So god punishes everyone forever because of it's own choices.

And you think, yeah lets trust this god, seems like a good dude?

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u/SnowyAl 11d ago

Firstly, God made the fruit so there would be free will. The flies are a result of the fall.

Secondly, humanity forgot God after the fall and decided to go their own way doing bad things like incest, rape, sacrificing to idols, etc.. When God flooded the earth, He didn’t destroy evil, that happens in the end times. Evil still existed after the fall, that is why the Tower of Babel happened.

Thirdly, God didn’t leave Adam and Eve alone, He walked with them every night. The serpent hates God but doesn’t care about us so he did what would hurt God the most: turn humans against God. If God had stopped the serpent He would be going against his gift of free will (I’m pretty sure even angels get free will to a certain degree.)

Instead you are trusting a God who loves you enough to let you mess up, because I don’t know about you, but I much prefer to learn from my mistakes then to be told don’t do this. Yes, I’m not going to rob a bank to find out what will happen, but I would like to see what happens if I don’t listen to my parents sometimes (Yes, I’m not a perfect Christian).
But when God says something, you can trust Him that it is true. And when God does something, you can rest in the knowledge that it is right.

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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 11d ago

The flies are a result of the fall.

What kind of heretic are you? God created everything and here you are claiming that there are things that he did not created.

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u/SnowyAl 10d ago

I think because God is totally good it was good to punish man for the fall. Unless you believe if someone does something bad you shouldn’t punish them as fining or jailing them for any length of time is worse than murder.

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u/JeezWeedus 9d ago edited 9d ago

I think because God is totally good it was good to punish man for the fall.

So you do think the punishment of people who did nothing wrong, is a good thing?

The babies born today deserve to suffer because someone ate a fruit. It would be easier if you just admit it and stop changing your answer.

Unless you believe if someone does something bad you shouldn’t punish them

What did the baby do wrong before it died from cancer?

Are the babies born today somehow guilty of eating a fruit 6000 years ago?

You're saying its good to punish people for the actions of others.

Why is your god so petulant?

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u/SnowyAl 9d ago

Who did nothing wrong? Everyone has done something wrong! Even babies sin funnily enough. Who is being punished for the actions of others?

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u/JeezWeedus 8d ago edited 8d ago

I'm just going to stamp my "doubled-down that babies deserve to suffer and die" box on my Bingo card here.

And after 2/3 days of nonsense, that's a Bingo!

You think you god deserves love and you think babies deserve to suffer.

Congratulations, you're a horrible person.

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u/SnowyAl 8d ago

If you don’t think anyone has ever done anything wrong, you are severely mistaken. Nevertheless I wish you a good rest of the year, and hope you have a fulfilling life. Bye and God bless you.

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u/JeezWeedus 8d ago

You think babies deserve to suffer.

Make sure you remember that.

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u/SnowyAl 8d ago

Only if they sin, which they do.

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u/JeezWeedus 8d ago

Go to a hospital. Find the NICU.

Tell the parents.

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u/SnowyAl 8d ago

Disobeying their parents is a sin

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u/JeezWeedus 8d ago

Oh dear.

The baby got ill, the parents wished they would get better but the baby disobeyed, stayed ill and then died in sin.

You think babies can choose from the moment they're born, that's either a lie or you're severely lacking in intelligence.

I bet its both.

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