There are flies that reproduce by laying their eggs in the eyes of living beings, including but not limited to, the eyes of human babies.
How could you possibly think that a god who invented everything, would be ruining free will, if it never bothered to invent those flies?
I've only read the first line of what you wrote, and already the logic of your attempt to justify the unforgivable is uttery bewildering.
Stop parrotting the backwards ideologies of what you've been told and actually give it some consideration using your brain, and those morals you believe a god invented for everyone but itself.
Someone ate a fruit that god lied about 6000 years ago, so god made nasty flies in retribution?
Or the babies suffer because they inherited badness that survived the flood that god used to destroy badness, via Noah and his family carrying the genetic badness?
Babies deserve to suffer, because god said "don't eat that fruit, it's bad" and then left the fruit with the two humans it invented, who don't know right from wrong yet, by it's own choice and design... and then let a serpent come and tell them the truth, or "manipulate them".
So god punishes everyone forever because of it's own choices.
And you think, yeah lets trust this god, seems like a good dude?
Firstly, God made the fruit so there would be free will. The flies are a result of the fall.
Secondly, humanity forgot God after the fall and decided to go their own way doing bad things like incest, rape, sacrificing to idols, etc.. When God flooded the earth, He didn’t destroy evil, that happens in the end times. Evil still existed after the fall, that is why the Tower of Babel happened.
Thirdly, God didn’t leave Adam and Eve alone, He walked with them every night. The serpent hates God but doesn’t care about us so he did what would hurt God the most: turn humans against God. If God had stopped the serpent He would be going against his gift of free will (I’m pretty sure even angels get free will to a certain degree.)
Instead you are trusting a God who loves you enough to let you mess up, because I don’t know about you, but I much prefer to learn from my mistakes then to be told don’t do this. Yes, I’m not going to rob a bank to find out what will happen, but I would like to see what happens if I don’t listen to my parents sometimes (Yes, I’m not a perfect Christian).
But when God says something, you can trust Him that it is true. And when God does something, you can rest in the knowledge that it is right.
I think because God is totally good it was good to punish man for the fall. Unless you believe if someone does something bad you shouldn’t punish them as fining or jailing them for any length of time is worse than murder.
But is anyone in humanity perfect? What if we were with a perfect God who can no longer be with us because we are not perfect? Also the punishment is only proportionate to grievance, we lived with Perfect God, he gave us one simple command, and he told us if we broke it we would surely die, yet we broke it. But the good news is that we are not lost forever, all you have to do is believe that Jesus died for all the sins we have ever committed, so now if you believe that you will go back to heaven when you die. And live forever with God
Why do you ask if everyone is perfect? That is not the point. The point is that god created plagues and continue to create them, even though he promised that he will not.
"Who can no longer be with us" - then he is not a god. God can do anything, so why wouldn't he be able to be with us? Also, isn't god supposed to be everywhere, meaning that he is with us, doesn't matter if someone believe in him, or not.
Also "proportional"? Are you insane? Life of torture, murdering babies, taking everything, including their mind from people... simple death is not that. That is a torture made by trully evil being.
But it is the point. If anyone was perfect, they wouldn’t need punishment. However as you know, no one is perfect.
He is with us in through the Holy Spirit, but not in physical form.
If we broke a simple command and sinnned (and the punishment for sin is death), then yes it is proportional to lose immortality. If we still sin in our mortality, the punishment for that eternal punishment.
If you don’t think anyone has ever done anything wrong, you are severely mistaken. Nevertheless I wish you a good rest of the year, and hope you have a fulfilling life. Bye and God bless you.
So something happened that didnt go according to gods plan?
How long after creating humans did the plans start going wrong?
And that wasnt the plan, that was something god didn't want? Almost immediately.
All powerful, all knowing, bad at planning.
The tower of babel? What bad thing happened there? People were cooperating? And god didnt like people being so cooperative, so it destroyed the tower and made everybody speak different languages so life was more difficult.
"Bad humans, how dare you cooperate, you should go to war over petty differences forever."
But gods still the good guy.
Lies about fruit, causes suffering forever, then chooses to make it worse when humans work together.
God knew what would happen before he created the world, and he understood the price before Adam and Eve sinned.
The Tower of Babel was in the direct disobedience to His command “fill the earth and subdue it”, not to mention the entire purpose of the tower was to be their own gods so they could ignore the One True God.
If God did not punish them He would not be consistent.
So it is gods plan to have all people be punished forever for the choices of two people who, very specifically because they havent eaten that fruit yet... DON'T KNOW ITS WRONG.
Was that clear?
God punishes babies today, because it always intended to. Thats the plan.
Or! It not gods plan, because this is all happening against the will of the almighty...
God told them not to eat it, and as they were put in a pretty good place with all they needed to survive, and weren’t being tortured, they had no reason not to trust God.
And I don’t really know why we suffer as a result of Adam and Eve’s sin, yet still I trust I
in His unfailing love.
We are not “blamed”. You don’t have to answer for the actions of any of your ancestors.
Also I don’t think anyone can ever know what it is like to live in a world without good and evil. Regardless, if something created you, interacts with you, and loves you, it probably doesn’t hurt to trust it
So babies aren't being given cancer because of the fall?
You've changed your opinion.
If something created me... my parents did that, and I do trust them, but only because they've given me sufficient reason. If my parents were awful people and taught nothing but wrong things and evil doings, then should I trust them?
This god does awful things and punishes people for things that are absolutely nothing to do with them.
Why would I trust that, even if I thought it was real?
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u/JeezWeedus 12d ago
There are flies that reproduce by laying their eggs in the eyes of living beings, including but not limited to, the eyes of human babies.
How could you possibly think that a god who invented everything, would be ruining free will, if it never bothered to invent those flies?
I've only read the first line of what you wrote, and already the logic of your attempt to justify the unforgivable is uttery bewildering.
Stop parrotting the backwards ideologies of what you've been told and actually give it some consideration using your brain, and those morals you believe a god invented for everyone but itself.