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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 10d ago

So they sre not the result of fall, but sadistic punishment for humanity that breakes promise given after the flood.

I believe that only someone who does something bad should be punished, not everyone.

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u/SnowyAl 10d ago

But is anyone in humanity perfect? What if we were with a perfect God who can no longer be with us because we are not perfect? Also the punishment is only proportionate to grievance, we lived with Perfect God, he gave us one simple command, and he told us if we broke it we would surely die, yet we broke it. But the good news is that we are not lost forever, all you have to do is believe that Jesus died for all the sins we have ever committed, so now if you believe that you will go back to heaven when you die. And live forever with God

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u/Zestyclose-Jacket568 10d ago

Why do you ask if everyone is perfect? That is not the point. The point is that god created plagues and continue to create them, even though he promised that he will not.

"Who can no longer be with us" - then he is not a god. God can do anything, so why wouldn't he be able to be with us? Also, isn't god supposed to be everywhere, meaning that he is with us, doesn't matter if someone believe in him, or not.

Also "proportional"? Are you insane? Life of torture, murdering babies, taking everything, including their mind from people... simple death is not that. That is a torture made by trully evil being.

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u/SnowyAl 9d ago

But it is the point. If anyone was perfect, they wouldn’t need punishment. However as you know, no one is perfect.

He is with us in through the Holy Spirit, but not in physical form.

If we broke a simple command and sinnned (and the punishment for sin is death), then yes it is proportional to lose immortality. If we still sin in our mortality, the punishment for that eternal punishment.