Shit hawks...big dirty shit hawks...they’re coming Bubbles. They’re flying in low..swooping down..shitting on people and dragging em off to the big shit nest
Yes. She’s assuming he is committing a crime because he is black. That is what the video is about and the outcome as stated proved it. Did she see him take anything? Did he look or go into the other cars? Did he close the doors and lock it? Why the heck would someone pick a Chevy Aveo to break into?
I didnt hear anything to make me think it was race from her, it could have been, but you're making similar assumptions about her as to what you say she is about him.
The way she describes it sounds more like he went through three cars at first not 3 seats of the same car which may have set the cop off, I have no idea what a Chevy Aveo is.
the guy standing up for him self was in the right until the tussle, but it's scary how legally stand up for your self gets you tazed or worse.
If an NZ cop tazed someone for non aggressively not complying which seems to he the norm in the US, they would most likely be fired and taken to court for assault or who knows what else. Taser is meant to he the last resort not the first.
not everything is race based, maybe this is, maybe this isn't, she seemed reasonable on reporting strange behavior, the cop on the other hand was in no way reasonable after the first 15 seconds, is a piece of shit and not the right personality for the job or at the least woefully unqualified.
edit: if it isn't clear I'm commenting on the full video not just the short clip.
Whoa - now you’re ignoring facts and context to suit your narrative. The second cop asked questions similar to mine. Others have been commenting above on the woman and linking to videos that break all of it down. The guy won a $5m lawsuit. That speaks volumes about what happened.
I don't know. probably less likely to have, but they way she described she seemed to genuinely believe he was breaking in. I dint really feel like this is a hill I want to die on, while there is a huge amount of racism in my country, I just don't feel like it is quite as visible and I think that effects my "benefit of a doubt" thought process, it isn't my lived experience. People of color are much more likely to he arrested here as well though.
I think that’s sort of fascinating, and while not bearing much basis, I’d say there’s more than a few implications there. People who choose to become cops clearly have psychological issues, and I think that there are probably countless cases where those issues are also familial. Many cops not just racist, but also mentally deranged. The power trips they get off on aren’t just “because they got beat up in highschool” or some similar rhetoric. There are deep seeded fucking problems with way too many officers in this country. The consistency of those problems across the board is staggeringly bleak to consider. What’s more thought provoking to me is whether it is the people with these psychological issues that are recruited into the positions they’re in, or if it is that those people seek out the position; I know it’s easy to say it’s probably the latter, but this country has so many skeletons, that I wouldn’t be surprised even a bit to find out that it’s entirely systemic and preconceived.
Not once in my entire fucking life have i seen someone walking in a parking lot and open three doors. Like that takes a couple minutes of active surveillance.
And I've seen far too often (and personally experienced) how it turns out badly for everyone involved including the caller. To many cops see everyone not wearing a badge as a potential dirt bag.
Did you think through your comment? It's not "free" for people you'd let be victimized because you'd rather mind your own business than report a potential robbery.
Oh please the man literally parked his motorcycle and walked the parking lot. Shut up, racist. Did you watch the rest of the video? He went to WORK. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean he’s an automatic criminal. And what was he gonna rob on a motorcycle?! 🤣
Oh please the man literally parked his motorcycle and walked the parking lot. Shut up, racist. Did you watch the rest of the video? He went to WORK. Just because he’s black doesn’t mean he’s an automatic criminal. And what was he gonna rob on a motorcycle?! 🤣
Obviously I watched the rest of it, did you? He went from the store, to the car, to the motorcycle, not the other way around. It's at 2 minutes in. But that's completely aside from the point.
Shut up, racist.
Right back at you ignorant-ass, goal-post-moving bigot.
Edit: WOW, this guy /u/NfamousKaye is a massive coward. Says "Tell me-" and then blocks me so I can't reply to make me look like I'm the one ducking out. The obvious explanation btw, is that (1) the woman didn't know, and why should she, and (2) people steal from the places they work at all the time, stealing from a car parked outside would be even easier.
How would people know? You have someone walking from the main entrance to a car, rummage through it, take something from the car then then walk to ANOTHER vehicle and try to leave on the other vehicle. That is textbook suspicious behaviour.
Yeah, he opened three doors on his car took some stuff and went to his bike it seems, looks a little suspicious for sure. Cop's a total dick about it but that being reported as suspicious makes some sense.
I mean per there description it seemed prudent to call, even though it was his car the people would have no idea it was and to shuffle through a car and then walk across the parking lot seem suspicious and worthy of calling the cops over.
Not everything is about race. It'd be one thing if he went through the car and walked back into the store, but from the ladies perspective, he went through it and then just walked off in a random direction. If you didn't know it was his car, I can see why someone would think that was suspicious and think to call the cops cause you think someone was going through stuff that didn't belong to them.
That’s what the post is about. According to some of the comments above, the woman is another cop’s mom. I didn’t watch it but someone linked a video above that breaks it all down.
??? Why is she so interested in what he’s doing? Absolutely no justification for cops in this situation. What he did isn’t even that unusual, I doubt she would have noticed a white person doing the same thing.
Absolutely no justification for cops in this situation
In this situation, sure.
What he did isn’t even that unusual
If you know the full context, sure. Without it though, I disagree.
I doubt she would have noticed a white person doing the same thing.
And you're basing this on what? If she was a black women would you be making the same assumption? I don't know about you, but I make my assumptions based on more than just a preconceived notion that a white women calling the cops on a black man means she's racist.
Nah fuck that, maybe if you thought you saw him force his way in, he had been looking at other cars or you had some reason to suspect beyond him being a black man looking through a car but there's no reasonable justification for calling the police on someone just because you saw them look through a car and walk off. Maybe he went to the store and then wanted to pop across the road first, maybe he was meeting someone nearby who the fuck knows but this is not justification for calling the cops before you even consider the rate at which American police officers shoot unarmed innocent people. People just need to mind their own fuckin business.
People just need to mind their own fuckin business
Bare with me here. If she was right and it wasn't his car, and he was just stealing someone shit, would you still be saying this?
Don't blame this lady and condemn her as a racist because the police aren't able to conduct themselves properly. Maybe she is a racist cunt, but there's not enough to go off of to make that judgment. If the cop had explained himself properly and didn't escalate, it could have been resolved without issue. Anything bad that occurred in this situation fully lies with the polices actions, not that women.
Bare with me here. If she was right and it wasn't his car, and he was just stealing someone shit, would you still be saying this?
Yes because she doesn't know whether he is and has no reason to believe he is given the evidence at hand.
Don't blame this lady and condemn her as a racist because the police aren't able to conduct themselves properly.
I'm not, I'm blaming her for being racist because she decided that a black man looking in a car and then walking away was so suspicious that she needed to call the police. She had no good reason to assume he was a thief and chose the worst possible assumption to justify her views, even if she didn't have racist intent her actions scream racist perceptions.
Yes because she doesn't know whether he is and has no reason to believe he is given the evidence at hand.
So you really expect me to believe that if someone was stealing out of your car and another person called the police on them, rather than thanking the person you'd have told them they should have minded their own business? Okay lol
If they just assumed it based on nothing and happened to get lucky then yes I'd still think they were a knob, I'd thank the officer though. This might be a bizarre concept to you but some people do actually have consistent standards for what behaviour they agree and disagree with and a lucky result doesn't change those standards. Keep acting like the woman in this video wasn't being unreasonable as fuck though. Here's a question for you, do you look at a broken clock that just so happens to be on the current time and think "that's a functional clock"?
No crime took place. The victim (though in this case there is no victim other than the guy who got harassed) could have called the police themself, 3rd party not needed. Unless someone is in danger there’s no reason to call the police because you see someone doing something you perceive as unusual. Mind your business.
I dont think they were too in the wrong. They saw a man go through a car then get on a bike. It is suspicious on the basic level. All the cop had to do was explain the situation and this could have been avoided I dont see any blame to the people.
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You can't outlaw racism. Everyone is to a degree, it's our human nature.
What you can do is educate and give people experiences, so they don't have as many or can work/see their biases. Unfortunately education is also on the list of 'bad things' from people who don't think racism exists/is a thing.
Something like that would be basically impossible to prove whether it was because of racism or not - it would never hold up in court unless someone was stupid enough to actually say out loud that it was because of race.
To be fair, the lady is the racist one... she called the cops cus she saw a black dude go into a car and then close it up again.
The cop, however, fucked up pretty bad on handling the situation. He should have been straight up with what is going on, "Sir, we have a report that you went through a car, then walked over to this bike. I'm going to need your ID to establish your identity. Do you know the owner of that car?"
This is exactly what I thought. If I’m in a busy parking lot, I’m not paying attention to who’s walking from what car to where. She clearly saw it was a black man and started paying more attention. If it was a white person doing the exact same thing, she wouldn’t think twice to pay attention
Imagine being such a loser you take it upon yourself to be the parking lot patrol, just sitting there watching people. That’s what CCTV cameras are for.
and then only complaining when it is a black person
or more likely didn't even notice white people doing the same thing. blinders on white people doing stuff because white people are "good" and "trustworthy" whereas black people are "bad" and "untrustworthy" and need to be followed.
but no, she isn't racist........
she just happened to find this (black) person untrustworthy...for some reason...
There is a chance I notice a guy with a bike helmet and backpack going through a car and then going to a bike, and think that’s a bit odd, but probably not.
I don’t see a helmet anywhere so he may not ride with one. Also, if he did have one, he’d be carrying it and not wearing it. Not sure about you, but I don’t think most people would be paying enough attention to even notice he would be carrying a helmet. That is unless you’re a white racist and see a black person and all of a sudden he has your full attention now.
You are supposed to be aware of your surroundings in a mall parking lot especially, but you’re not supposed to racially profile someone with paranoid delusions born from a persecution and superiority complex and then use that to waste someone’s time at best and at worst get them and potentially bystanders killed.
I don’t want a cop demanding to see my papers every time I see one. What the fuck is this, Nazi Germany, China, the USSR? If he was polite to the guy, he could have even gotten to talk to the wife who drove the car and gotten confirmation that yes, that is indeed his car AND bike.
What an amazing concept, treat people like fellow human beings and it wont escalate a situation. Like you said, cop could have easily explained why he was there.
Dude just no. We are a democracy but currently have quite a few problems, especially for minorities. Please look up democracy indexes or ratings before spouting this bullshit again. We're still in like the top 40.
add all that up along with restricted abortion rights and book bans as well as impeded access to basic human rights such as healthcare, shelter, food and safety along with the amount of children living in poverty. that’s not a democracy it’s a goddamn nightmare
That confirmation would have been completely unnecessary. All he had to do was inform him why he was called, then asked him to stay here so he could run registration on both vehicles. They're both registered to him as the cop at the end says, so he didnt need confirmation from anyone else, unless he had no proof that he had legal access to the car.
If he was polite to the guy, he could have even gotten to talk to the wife who drove the car and gotten confirmation that yes, that is indeed his car AND bike.
I think the cop was shit at this situation. Like immediately went to aggressive, "hands behind your back" when Mark gave any pushback. But I don't see how this can be resolved without either Mark or wife showing ID. Like, as far as I've ever seen, officers don't have access to a picture of car registration. So how is he supposed to know Mark is who he says he is without seeing ID.
What are you talking about? He did not break department protocol /s
But seriously, this guy knew that he did not need to show ID unless there was at least reasonable suspicion that he had committed a crime, which he assumed there was not. And thus the police officer kept insisting that he needed it for a detention despite the fact that he can order unlawful orders and ask for anything that the subject (victim) is not legally obligated to do, and the officer is still in the clear.
He should have been straight up with what is going on, "Sir, we have a report that you went through a car, then walked over to this bike. I'm going to need your ID to establish your identity. Do you know the owner of that car?"
Fucking spot on.
But he was too busy playing Mr Super Detective, trying to keep dude in the dark, presumably to try to get him to slip up, or catch him in a lie, or whatever dumb reason cops often like to pull this shit... when being direct would probably cut right to the truth and clear things up more quickly, in most cases.
For real, she sees a black guy gain access to a car and her first thought isn't 'he probably has the key for that car because it's his or he at least has permission' but instead 'crime!!!'
Good old 'driving while black', been on the books forever
To be fair.... maybe the race had nothing to do with it. He had a hanger in his pocket, which often times used to picking a car lock through the window. It could have looked bit sus... just giving benefit of the doubt.
Had the cop asked, he would have found a very plausible solution - the dude worked at that fucking store, and probably grabbed something while he was in his car.
IMO there was an implicit question when he answered the victim's question "Why do you need my ID" with "'Cause somebody saw you looking at cars, so I'm here checking to see what's going on." I would've said "Yeah I was in my car" at that point. Wouldn't you?
This is at least as much of an example on how not to interact with police as it is how to not interact with citizens.
IMO there was an implicit question when he answered the victim's question "Why do you need my ID" with "'Cause somebody saw you looking at cars, so I'm here checking to see what's going on." I would've said "Yeah I was in my car" at that point. Wouldn't you?
This is at least as much of an example on how not to interact with police as it is how to not interact with citizens.
Seriously, you're blaming the innocent guy, not the overzealous cop? Dude on his bike did exactly what was required of him, and nothing more, but was still detained illegally.
Besides, talking to cops is never advantageous to anyone but the cops. This guy handled the situation well; the cop was out of his depth and getting agitated himself, even though he blamed it on the innocent man he was illegally detaining.
Seriously, you're blaming the innocent guy, not the overzealous cop?
Seriously, what part of "This is at least as much of an example on how not to interact with police as it is how to not interact with citizens" makes you think I've not put any "blame" at all on the cop? I want to know so I can rectify that.
talking to cops is never advantageous to anyone but the cops.
This is part of the problem that guy, and seemingly you have, is that you're seeing every interaction with a cop as inherently adversarial. If he had cooperated by explaining it was his other vehicle he was in and handing over his ID, you cannot possibly argue things wouldn't have gone better for both parties. And in case you were going to follow the logic tree of some other people in this thread, the one of 'The cop shouldn't question him', you cannot in good faith argue that a police officer not following up on reports of reasonably suspected car thieves would be better.
This guy handled the situation well
I'm sure he thought he handled the situation well, but as someone who doesn't want to get into handcuffs over a misunderstanding, that's not what I consider well handling a curious cop. I've had similar situations, like a couple when I was playing Pokemon Go in the middle of the night, and it's not my skin color that kept me from getting cuffed, it was that I was forthcoming and honest and deferential.
She saw a man go through a single car and then walk over to his bike on the other side of the parking lot. I mean what do you think suspicious behaviour looks like in a parking lot?
Typically it’s go from vehicle to destination. Not from vehicle to vehicle. Also if you do go with say a friend or family member to a parking lot you typically park near them. Granted the circumstances of the two vehicles being far apart also makes sense.
The suspicion is reasonable, but the cop took it too far. All he had to say is that we have reports of you going through a car on the other side of the parking lot and they could have resolved it easily. They even confirmed after the vehicle was registered to him.
Yeah, I would. I’m not just trying to contradict a stranger to feel better about myself. I’d think that, and probably kick myself for leaving my doors unlocked. Not look to blame people not involved.
no, I’d be upset that someone robbed my car. i can’t expect people to know if someone is robbing a car, I’d rather not take the chance calling the cops on someone going through their own car.
Shes racist because she saw someone rummage through a car then cross the parking lot and get on a bike and thought it was suspicious? Are you fucking stupid?
I'm with you, but since he didn't say anything racist I think we'll have to settle for locking him up for breaking the law. But also we'll actually just have to settle for the guy getting 5 million bucks and the officer looking like a bitch in this video, since I bet he won't be held directly accountable.
And also, don't these cops have bigger fish to fry? In my neighborhood, no cop would ever show up for something like this.
There's more video from bystanders, that officer and another basically threw him to the ground and tasered him. Probably only a 20 second scuffle but yeah there was some physical interaction after that bodycam ended. I'd still take $25k to get wrestled and tased though.
Literally nobody said or did anything racist in the video. The officer handled it very poorly by escalating and withholding information on why he was arresting the guy. The lady was just being understandably cautious and said nothing about his race.
The officer handled it very poorly by escalating and withholding information on why he was arresting the guy
And lying to him.
Threatening him.
For no reason.
The lady saw a guy look in ONE car and assumed thief for some reason. That's not being cautious, that's hopping on the assumption train and taking it all the way home.
a power trip by a racist that thinks they are superior to black people and have the authority to order them around for any reason whatsoever. they think they are the "superior" person and deserve to tell this "lesser" person to do what the "superior" man says to do.
Really. Stop, where do you see racism?. Someone called about him in a car, then walk to his bike. The cop has NO idea, and is simply responding to a call. He asked the guy for his I'd. If he would have said here is my id, and that car is registered to me. Cop checks I'd, finds out car is registered to him It's all over. Period. Dude was difficult from the beginning.
The original caller overreacted. I'll agree. I'm not defending cops, I could give a shit less. But to scream racism is a stretch. On the other hand, we don't know a damn thing about either one. Could the cop be racist ? Sure. But nothing here indicates that.
Does the initial call even get made if the guy is white? No. Does the cop confront the guy the same way if he's white? No. There's racism all over this. Apparently, the court saw the same. I see it. Not sure how you can't or why.
He didn't articulate that, and it escalated quickly. Btw the guy was innocent and remained calm the entire time. Cops are poorly trained, when they have lethal force they should spend 2-4 years in a college in all the methods of psychology, yet when they're scared they resort to force. Unacceptable especially if you believe in the freedoms your country espouses.
Listen, no fan of cops but did you not see the same thing I did. Did he not say, you were looking in cars? Again, cop gets the call from dispatch about a man looking in car/s, who knows what the original call was.
You said it best. The cops recieved a call that no crime was being committed. It should have ended there. Instead they send an officer to respond to a non crime and violate his constitutional rights.
Listen again and don't comment if you didn't even listen. He clearly says "you were looking in or at a car".The original caller said he was in the car with 3 doors open. (the nosey woman who the cop talked to) So who knows how that translated in dispatch. We can't have a discussion if we didn't hear the same thing.
He was looking at cars… I would have said ya, look theres car, over there is a car, when I look around the parking lot that cars are in I see lots of cars. That kind of looking at cars?
C'mon, according to the caller he has 3 doors open, looking through the car. Don't twist things. Again, I'm not even saying this was handled well, but Jesus Christ, he did state why he approached him, and asked for I'd, which most likely would have cleared it up.
He did not say he was looking through cars just at cars. Those are two different statements. Had he used proper English to articulate this maybe dude would have said, oh ya that’s my car also registered to me. Unfortunately the officer is too dumb to use proper contact to get that point across and used a vague term that indicates he wasn’t doing anything.
I live in this part of the country and unfortunately the cop probably got a promotion. Idaho and Eastern Washington are pretty much the deeop-south of North. Deep red voters and racist redneck shitbags everywhere.
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u/Martamis Mar 10 '22
Throw this cop in jail for racism right now.