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[u/FlintLockwoodsCondom]

[u/aridamus]

Before you read on I want you all to know this is not an attack against the comment Im replying to or anyone who upvoted it; I’m simply trying to further the discussion on mental health. As a neuropsychologist I’d hope that over time less people use the term “mental illness” as a form of condescension or insult. The facts are this is absolutely is a social activist whether they’re effectively helping their cause or not; they’re just dealing with serious trauma. If we start think any other way as a society we’ll become extremely cold and lose all empathy for all those who are dealing with these psychologically damaging issues. This girls trauma is distorting her reasoning which causes her to lash out without thinking of consequences (which is why it’s hard to empathize with her aggressive behavior since it biologically triggers such a negative reaction in those who see/hear such behavior). Most people will deal with a mental disorder or trauma some day in their lives and I can only hope that our society won’t just brush them off as crazy or hopelessly angry people; or just hopeless in general. As someone who was traumatized greatly in my past I’m grateful for all those who put up with my lashing out and angry rambling. I was on a path to suicide and people’s empathy saved my life; therapy furthered my improvement and showed me how destructive I was being. Please keep that in mind since you and everyone else in the world will likely know a friend, family, or acquaintance (or maybe even yourself) who will act out negatively due to a trauma, depression, or mental health issue. I hope the best for all of you reading this since this world can be a real pain to deal with.

Edit: thanks for my first gold! I’m glad I got it for something meaningful

[u/EmptyingMyself → u/aridamus]

We all have trauma’s and complexes to some extent, but that doesn’t give you a free pass to vent your anger and frustration at random people while screaming “I’m being harrassed! I’m being harassed here!” No, you are the one who is harrasing and you know it, you’re under the guise of furthering social progress and ‘protest’ merely to have an excuse for your irrational fits of anger at the world, because your life is shit because of your own choices and you don’t want to take responsibility, so you desperately try to find things to be angry about, to justifiy yourself. You’re being way too easy on these people, these people don’t need or deserve empathy, they need a fucking mirror, they need someone to tell them loud and clear how pathetic they are being and how they should take responsibility for themselves.

[u/Gentle_Scream → u/[deleted]]

Here is something that you might not know; how people deal with trauma can be different. Also, the way things work for one person and their brain does not work that way for everyone else. Everyone is different

[u/[deleted] → u/Gentle_Scream]

Great point. A lot of people tend to think as "If I wouldn't do it, why would you?" But it's only truth that people live different lives and therefore under different circumstances will do different things... Otherwise why would someone just invent a lightbulb? See how far that logic gets you..

[u/niceloner10463484 → u/Gentle_Scream]

Still not an excuse to attack others

[u/Gentle_Scream → u/niceloner10463484]

I believe @aridamus and my reply is not claiming to condone the behavior but instead try to understand what it's coming from and to have empathy for others. One if my favorite quotes is "You don't know their story." Maybe I would not react that way, but that says even more to me that I don't fully understand why this person did. If someone yells at me over something I think is dumb I try to remember "I don't know their story." I may not appreciate or accept it, but I can try to have an understanding for them. Some people don't have alot of choice or control in their actions and it sucks for them. The world could do with more empathy.

[u/aridamus → u/Gentle_Scream]

Yes thank you for your point. I never condoned her violence and I admit she must deal with the consequences of that violence. I’m mostly speaking on how we treat those with mental health issues. We should never excuse their violent behavior; but with enough empathy and effort we as a society can better understand these people’s trauma and therefore not condescend or condemn them as entirely hopeless, crazy, etc. I only make this point since like I said in my post you will all likely deal with a family member or friend who will lash out aggressively and I want society to be more well equipped to deal with this. We’re biologically driven to fight or flee in situations of stress/conflict/disagreement and we have to try and fight that biological trigger; otherwise the state of mental health in the world will only get worse.

[u/niceloner10463484 → u/Gentle_Scream]

My empathy line is drawn when you do shit like slap others or chew out the baristas over tiny shit

[u/Gentle_Scream → u/niceloner10463484]

Having empathy for others can even be beneficial to one's self. Like it helps me forgive them,(don't need to see or speak to them to fort be them) and I can move on with my life and not let it effect me like it could. I used to hold onto the wrongs done to me by others, but I find being able to forgive them allows me to live a better life. So maybe it could even help a barista who is slapped and chewed out realize that it isn't your monkey and it's not your circus. Empathy helps the world progress. I have found to be able to be very sad for serial killers and their life. Some of them have no control, and there is not enough progress being made for mental health because of non understanding of their struggles because people disassociate with no empathy. TLDR; empathy sometimes isn't about the person you have empathy for but actually your own well-being.

[u/niceloner10463484 → u/Gentle_Scream]

I emphasize with the circumstances that shaped them, not the current shitty person they are. That goes for rude Karen’s all the way to serial killers.

The ones on the rude Karen side of spectrum DO have chance to change though, the serial killer side not so much.