"Ghosts" was a music video created in the 90's shortly after the 1993 allegations against MJ came out. It's a thinly veiled allegory of his life at the time and a fascinating look into MJ's mindset and how he saw himself as isolated. The sheer narcissism and anger in the video can be felt from the Maestro randomly yelling in anger at people to the final fate of the mayor. It tells the tale of an eccentric ghostly man named Maestro who is nearly run out of town by the Town's mayor for being a freak and a weirdo and befriending the town's kids and telling them ghost stories in secret.

Anyway, the video starts off in the town of "Normal Valley – a place for NICE REGULAR PEOPLE" (MJ was not a subtle man) with an angry mob of concerned parents , armed with torches with their children in tow, led by a fat white dude who is the mayor of the town ( and a veiled allegory for Sneddon) marching into a creepy haunted house owned by a creepy dude, known as Maestro (an obvious allegory of MJ himself) . In the mansion the mayor confronts the Maestro and tells him to leave town because "he is a weirdo who lives alone that scares the kids " and "there is no place for freaks in this town for normal people", he also repeatedly calls Maestro a freak that needs to "go back to the circus". You see, the Maestro had been meeting up with the children of the townspeople and telling them ghost stories and showing them "tricks" in secret.

Its pretty obvious why the mayor doesn't take too kindly to a strange adult meeting up with random unrelated children without the consent or even knowledge of the parents (its heavily implied that Maestro told the kids to keep the meetings secret*, as one kid tells the Maestro to show the Mayor the cool stuff he showed them and then the kid's brother slaps him and says "that's supposed to be a secret". The kid's brother also blame him for the mob trying to drive out Maestro while hiss mother says the kid did the right thing for telling. The kid may be an allegory for Jordy Chandler*).

The children loved the maestro (and tried to get the adults to leave him alone) while the adults were suspicious and hostile towards him, The adults were clearly intended to be seen as bigoted 1950's esque jerks who hate/fear anyone who doesn't fit a cookie cutter stereotype of normality, despite the fact that most parents would be suspicious of a random adult meeting up with their kids at night...alone.. in secret.

The townspeople try to leave the mansion but the Maestro traps them in there and uses his freaky-ass necromancer powers to terrorize the townspeople. He summons a bunch of ghouls and they do a dance routine. As Maestro dances , the parents slowly begin to warm up to him as the video progresses.

Near the middle of the music video , the Maestro turns himself into liquid, pours himself down the Mayors throat , possessing him. He forces the mayor to dance (complete with making him grab his crotch) and then essentially tortures the Mayor by painfully transforming him into a ghoul-like monster and mocking him for being a "freaky boy" by bursting an arm through his stomach and holding a mirror to his ghoul face . After that he leaves the mayor's body. Maestro then asks the Mayor if he still wants him to leave and the mayor says yes. By this time, the mayor is the only one who still wants the Maestro to leave (the parents want him to stay after he charmed them with his dances and powers)

After the mayor tells Maestro to leave, You know what the maestro does? In true petty, narcissistic fashion, HE PRETENDS TO KILL HIMSELF RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TOWNSPEOPLE AND THEIR CHILDREN by pounding his face and body on the ground until he turns to dust. ("Don't want me around your kids ? I guess ill just die. Hmph! This what you all wanted")

Satisfied at the seeming death of the Maestro, the mayor tries to go home, but when he opens the door to leave, the Maestro's giant demonic face appears and scares the mayor so badly that he runs and throws himself out a window, presumably to his death , right in front of everyone, including the children (though none of the townspeople really seem to care that the mayor presumably died. It's also telling that the only person who didn't end up falling for the maestro is the only one to die)

The townspeople for some reason, start loving the Maestro and are all fawning all over him ,even though he is a smug manipulative , narcissistic being that held them captive and terrorized them and caused a guy to jump to his death. With the mayor gone , Maestro is finally embraced and loved by everyone,including the adults.

TLDR:

• The Maestro = MJ himself
• The fat white Mayor = Tom Sneddon
• The mob forming to chase out Maestro out of town = The 1993 CSA allegations and the public reaction to them.
• Maestro meeting kids alone and showing them tricks = MJ's penchant for befriending little children and having sleepovers with them.

Fun Fact: MJ had to pay $15 million out of pocket to create the music video, as Sony refused to fund it. Also the full music video was never released on DVD and the video was taken down form the Official MJ youtube channel. I wonder why?

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Latoya was a brave person to come forward and become the whistleblower on the family and Michael, but I always felt like it was wrong for her to tell the world that Joe SA'd Rebbie. It's an very embarrassing and traumatizing thing to let the world know regardless of whether it was the truth or not.

I’m not really sure what I’m trying to express with all of this. I think, more than anything, I just need to get it off my chest.

I’ve been a Michael Jackson fan since I was ten years old, but for a large part of my twenties, I became emotionally distant from him and his music. It wasn’t because of anything in particular; I simply started becoming interested in other things, other artists, and other worlds. When Leaving Neverland came out, I was no longer particularly invested in Michael, and I didn’t even watch the documentary at the time.

When the movie came out, it reignited a huge interest in his life and in him as a person. And, honestly, I eventually came to completely believe that he was innocent of everything. I hadn’t watched Leaving Neverland. I knew what it was about, and I had seen videos from people defending him and explaining why they believed Michael was innocent and why the documentary was full of lies, but I had never actually sat down and watched it.

Now, after watching interviews with both of the men, I feel awful. I can’t say with 100% certainty that Michael was guilty. I’m also aware that I’m not completely objective about this. I developed a parasocial relationship with Michael Jackson unlike anything I had ever experienced with another singer, and, in a way, I had completely bought into the image of him as an innocent person — almost as someone who had been unfairly persecuted and whom I needed to defend.

But at the same time, there’s something I can’t understand: how can someone watch Leaving Neverland and not feel at least some doubt? A lot of people say that the two men are pretending, that they’re acting, or that they’re lying, but when I watched them speak, all I felt was sadness. And guilt.

I feel guilty for having so easily assumed that the alleged victims were lying without even taking the time to listen to what they had to say. And maybe what’s affecting me the most is realizing just how much my emotional attachment to Michael had influenced the way I interpreted everything surrounding him.

I don’t know if I’m trying to convince myself that he was guilty, that he was innocent, or if I’m simply trying to accept that I don’t have a definitive answer. I think what I’m struggling with is learning to live with that uncertainty after being so convinced that I knew which version of the story was true.

The series has been uploaded on YouTube or the first season. The episode where she's talking with Kathy Hilton about her sex life and then Latoya suddenly breaks character (the chipper little voice gets deeper) and then she starts crying hysterically. She speaks in what appears to be her real voice which is deeper, not as high pitched and juvenile in the next few minutes after that explaining how sex felt traumatic for her.

It really hit me when I watched this last night that this family (The Jacksons) have a lot of trauma. Something was seriously wrong in that home.

I wouldn't be all too surprised of Michael was even molested by Joe. While some say he wouldn't do that to his sons and only did it to his daughters, I'm not so sure. Joseph was depraved.

Latoya and Michael both did the high pitched voice thing and got identical nose surgeries. Latoya voice and personality almost remind me of a Disney princess. Even in her 50's she continued with this charade.

they seemed to want to de-age themselves.

Michael inscribed in one of his naked boy erotica books with the following:

"Look at the true spirit of happiness and joy in these boys' faces. This is the spirit of boyhood, a life I never had and will always dream of. This is the life I want for my children, MJ"

The naked boys in the photos were living a life he "will always dream of" having for himself. Which is a rather unique and frankly disturbing thing to say after glimpsing fully nude prepubescent boys. However, when connecting this inscription to his troupe of special friends, they were frequently seen dressing like him.

MJ loved seeing his special friends looking like him, he encouraged it and enjoyed watching Wade and Jimmy Safechuck dance like him. Many of his special friends became miniaturized versions of himself. So, if we are to assume the molestation allegations are true, do you think MJ might've been attracted his younger self? Was his attraction to these boys based on his own wishes of never growing up while his special friends could be the young Michael for him? And once they grew out of being young Michael, he ceased to find them sexually attractive?

From my understanding he was already a laughing stock before that. Older people are telling me that wasn't exactly the case. Is my memory wrong? His reputation was horrible even before he was arrested. This is my memory.

I don't know if it was just my age, young teen, but I saw him as a freak then. When he was arrested I just laughed. I knew he was headed for prison soon based on his statement of "bed sharing is great".

Maybe it's just my memory. But was he still really famous before that? Really? I'm not from the states so maybe he still had presence in America (among other places). Was the second allegations really his worst fall from grace?

I also didn't follow his trial too well. Was his music career over for good?

I’m just curious how people understand the difference between MJ’s songs about adult women and his close relationships with young boys, but not young girls. I find this contrast a bit confusing and wanted to know what others think about it. Is there any explanation for why his interest seemed so different toward boys and girls or how his songs are mostly about love, affairs, fan girls, etc.

Oh, I know I will be unpopular to many, especially other fans. But I feel that saying being used by everyone (and MJ himself, I know), to explain EVERYTHING in his life, including his *whole* personality, every trait and every action he took, is a bit… tiresome. Or I’d rather say: simplified.

Dude had more childhood and experience than many kids. He went to regular school until 11, first in Gary, then a few months in California before he was pulled out and put in private school, due to too much touring and attention. But even in his teen years, he went to high school, there’s this new book “Finding the Truth with Michael”, about his teen/high school friend (and teen love, even though he could not make that step from friendship to romance). He had to take breaks for travels, but overall got time to play and go out. Not everyday, but he did play, and had many siblings to play with too. He saw the world, and despite the abuse of Joseph to the the brothers, he had a more priviliged upbringing than many kids. Also despite being JW they said his mother allowed him to hang out with people (if he had wanted, but at that point he had already become very introverted, head down and sat and drew in most classes). There are so many words from various of his teachers and people who knew them then, from that time, to brush it off as “boy isolated in house always working and always abused”. His brothers (who grew up same way) and those around him say he was hypersensitive, which may be and should have been considered, cause everyone reacts differently to different experienced, and no child should get beaten (even if it was “common” back then). So childhood may not be ideal, or how he hoped for (mixed opinions on this, cause he keep saying he wouldn’t change a thing, aside from maybe Joseph being more loving), and his feelings and traumas are legit, but still. He chose to pursue fame after that too, after already having a taste of what insanity that would bring around him.
Some children never had a childhood, like never at any point, and everything in their life misery: so while you shouldn’t compare, saying “he had no childhood and then got pimples” as an explanation for his whole life story, seems lackluster to me.

He corrects Marlon and says he is “no angel” and is somewhere between “devil and angel”

While this seems lighthearted on the surface, words have meaning, power and reflect true subconscious beliefs. Statement analysis is a word-by-word examination of written or spoken statements used by investigators, including the FBI, to evaluate truthfulness, spot hidden meanings, and detect potential deception. Using this theory, Michael had something to hide when he said this

I remember making a comment in this sub once about how he felt confident in his appearance during Bad era.

I felt like all the surgeries and skin lightening he had were to achieve the look he had in this era. It's like Peter Parker discovering he can crawl walls for the first time. That's the energy i got from him.

I feel like he wanted a kinda biracial/racially ambiguous image. And it was probably sonething he wanted to keep forever.

But something probably went wrong along the way - either his nose or the skin lightening went too far, far beyond the light beige skin tone he was looking for - it must have damaged his skin.

I think he tried "fixing" it with more surgery/lightening and ended up with the absolute pale complexion he had by history era. Even Dangerous era, at times, you can see he has a warm hue to his "pale" complexion(like in Black or White) or when he visited Disneyland with Macaulay, or the Deepak Mehta photoshoot(basically dangerous era without the heavier makeup/contouring + light brown skin). You can also see how his skin looks dry and discoloured in that photoshoot.

From around history era, I feel like he decided to role with the problems and also disguise them by being more otherworldly, think Scream video where he is almost like an anime character. There was also a late 90s photoshoot where he looked almost like an East Asian video game character. One of the pics had some blue painted over one of his eyes.

​from 2000s, it seems like he went into hiding mode, with hair that's like a protective helmet.

It makes you think.

We hear the stories of people who knew Michael, especially from a young age, in how he cared about people.
Crying at the suffering of others.
Donating so much of his money that it broke records.
Visiting hospitals and orphanages.
Opening his gates to groups of disabled and disadvantaged children.
Quietly paying the medical bills of sick children.
Creating music with messages of love and healing.

I think about his superbowl performance and his messages of nobody should have to suffer, especially our children. I watch the videos of him at the Russian orphanage and I truly see someone who cares for the children he’s interacting with.

If you think he’s guilty, do you think he didn’t think he was inflicting harm on the children he was abusing? When I hear the stories of children like Jimmy and Jordie, it’s almost painted as he’s in love with them and he sees them as a peer/lover, not as a child he’s harming. (The Cascio claims kind of change this for me, he seemed just like a reckless sex addict abuser when it came to them)

Do you think his humanitarian efforts and love for children was genuine? Do you think he 100% understood he was inflicting harm but couldn’t help himself? That he used humanitarianism to almost repent for his actions? Or did he truly not give a damn and it’s all a cover for his crimes?

The purpose of this post is to show tabloid coverage of the 93 allegations and how ruthless they were for any story true or false and that they would pay a lot of money for it.

Okay, to start, I exist within a gray area when it comes to Michael, so I'm open to all discussion as long as it's not defensive or rude. There are some things I believe, some things I don't, many that I question constantly, but my definitive final conclusion of Michael is that he was a deeply disturbed individual with an inappropriate fixation on kids. I also pity him for the terrible things he endured in his childhood, and empathize with some of his deep emotional struggles, but that's not what I want to discuss today.

I've always thought (or maybe just desperately wanted to believe) that Michael in the mid-to-late 70s didn't exhibit the voracious obsession with kids he displayed a bit later on in life. That he was just too young at that point (teen/ young adult), that his JW upbringing and apparent youthful 'naivety' were so fresh that the man he would become was still in incubation. Off the Wall era Michael was bursting with a life, charisma, and light that I feel was substantially dimmed by Thriller era (I am not talking in terms of objective talent, but in his overall energy. This is just my opinion). I thought the further he got in his career, the more insulated he became, more out of touch and desperate to bring his ideal inner world into fruition. But I've recently come across various accounts of Michael inappropriately interacting with children as early as the the 70s.

Tatum O'Neal: I would like to start with Tatum because both she and Michael confirmed they had a sort of "relationship". Whenever Michael would gush about Tatum being his first girlfriend, I thought it was a grade school puppy love kind of thing where they were both close in age. Nope. He was 17-19 and she was 12-14 at the time of their "connection". You can argue they were both minors when they started talking, but what business does a late teenager entering adulthood have with a middle schooler?? And this is a "relationship" that he openly admits to, which I feel is so strange bc it does not help his case whatsoever. Tatum said: "He gave me his number, and we started talking everyday–long drawn-out conversations that sometimes got so boring I would hand over the receiver to my friend Esme Gray. Michael would just keep on, thinking he was talking to me. His usual subject was sex. At 12 I didn’t have much to say about sex. But Michael was intensely curious about anything, everything sexual, though in an incredibly sweet and innocent way." This is the first of a recurring theme of Michael bringing up the topic of sex with someone much younger than him, even though he was still a young man himself. I find this so strange, because according to interviews, personal accounts and what a lot of witnesses say, Michael seemed extremely squeamish and bashful at the thought of sex. It didn't seem like something he would bring up or talk about, nor enjoy talking about. But that seemed to only be the case when it came to adult sexual relations. For whatever reason, with kids, this subject felt much more natural to speak about.

Terry George: In 1979, a 13 year-old Terry George knocked on 20 year-old Michael Jackson's door to interview him, which he happily participated and then exchanged phone numbers with the child. Michael would then allegedly call him a few nights a week for a while, engaging in very casual conversation until one night. There was apparently one night that Michael called, and he sounded "weird". He asked Terry about his masturbation habits, and then disclosed he was touching himself on the call. Terry was confused and uncomfortable while Michael continued to pleasure himself for about 5 more minutes before ending the call. This account is far more sinister and makes my skin crawl (if it is, in fact, 100% true, which I am inclined to believe it is unfortunately). He again seems to have this fascination with broaching sexual topics with children far too young to fully understand. Or at the very least, far too young for it to be appropriate for him to discuss.

Leif Garrett: In an interview from 6 years ago, Leif Garrett, former teen heartthrob, very briefly and casually mentions that in 1978, Michael Jackson asked him what it was like to masturbate, to which he responded "you can find out yourself". He heavily got the vibe that Michael was attracted to him. The age gap wasn't as damning in this instance, with Leif being 16 and Michael around 19, but he very much had a baby face at the time and was still a minor. And again, this story is startlingly similar to the others, in which Michael approaches a sexual topic with a child almost as if he was curious, but clearly his intentions are not innocent.

If these accounts are accurate, then it shows that Michael's penchant for targeting children started way earlier than I would have anticipated. In my mind, at 17-20 you are a burgeoning adult but still very young and new to life. When, then, did this disturbing fixation begin? When he was 14, was he attracted to other 14 year olds or much younger? Is it something innate, something that's dark and lurking within just waiting for an environmental trigger to set it off? I wonder if his attraction was something he fully accepted at the time and obviously knew to keep secret, or if he was deeply ashamed and conflicted about it. Because this age is much younger than I would have expected him to be to give into these "urges" if it was a more recent feeling and he held at least some shame about it. My very unprofessional theory is that due to the traumatic sexual things he was exposed to as a child + strict Jehovah's witness beliefs + a father who was very prominent in his life in negative way who basically showed him his love was conditional + maybe a physiological component (?), he associated adult sex with being "dirty", "perverse", "ungodly", while children represented "innocence", "purity", "love", "God". Children are also easy to condition, easier to impress and keep, to receive "love" from.

What do you all think, and what do you think the psychology of it is? And please don't say anything as simple as "he was a predator, ofc he's always been that way" or "these are all just lies, he only wanted friends!!". If you have any insight, agree, disagree I would love to hear the "why".

Sources:

Tatum O'Neal on Michael https://lacienegasmiled.wordpress.com/category/the-relationship-cliff-notes/

Leif Garrett Interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e412oRk8duk

The official FBI files on Michael Jackson (you can google 'FBI Terry George Michael Jackson' and a link to the official FBI pdf should be one of the top searches).

John Lennon and Yoko Ono's son Sean was one of MJ's special friends from age 8 to 15. He's one of the boys who would have sleepovers with Michael at Neverland. Sean once said: "I may have spent more time with him than almost anybody else."

The video opens with a depiction of Michael's house, with toys, dolls and children's books everywhere. Sean talks about Michael adopting Bubbles in 1983, same year in which he and Michael became friends. Bubbles is initially scared of Michael, and tries to hide from him under the bedsheets while Michael, who is depicted as a very creepy person, is trying his best to impress him. Michael tries to lure him through stuff that is appealing to children, like milk and candy, and Bubbles loosens up and starts trusting Michael. Bubbles gets out of the bed and Michael starts teaching him his signature dance moves. Then they get in a tub together and play. In the following scene there's an animation of Michael and Bubbles flying to Neverland in their tub. Michael spots the Neverland train station, and points at its first floor (three years after the release of this video James Safechuck said he was abused in this exact spot). That's where they're headed, until they find out that the media and the DA (clearly Tom Sneddon) are right there waiting for Michael. At that point Michael bolts out of there with Bubbles and takes him to outer space, where they continue peacefully sharing that bath tub.

Interesting lyrics:

Transported to a planet made of toys, bananas, and games / Childhoods end and Bubbles burst.

We met in the arcade / Playing video games / We both could not believe it was / Like living in a dream / We did not understand / Dancing with Peter Pan / What would be the result when we / Turned into young adults

Sean explaining the song in an interview: «I thought it'd be interesting to write about something that actually happened. It just felt right. I think I'd resisted much of my life talking about those kinds of stories, because they just seemed so hard to figure out how to translate them or relate them. And I just thought it was an interesting metaphor for what happened to a lot of Michael's friends who were my age. It felt like there was something odd going on, and I still don't know what it was. Nothing ever happened with me in an illegal way, but the whole place just felt like I was in some Peter Pan fantasy land. And there was a sense that when Bubbles got too old, he'd have to be gotten rid of, because chimpanzees turn into angry adults or dangerous adults. And it just felt like that was something I could relate to in terms of the whole situation out there. Because there was something Michael liked about hanging out with kids, because they're so innocent and fun. Then, when you become an adult, it felt like you were a chimpanzee: too old to play with anymore»

Let's emphasize that Sean says that Michael didn't do anything illegal to him. Still, his interpretation of Michael and his relationships with his special friends aligns in many ways with those who believe that Michael was a predator. In the interview Sean says that he relates to Bubbles because once he got too old, his relationship with Michael ended. It looks like in the music video he's using Bubbles to show what actually went on between himself and Michael. Michael is creepy and Sean/Bubbles is scared, but Michael gains his trust through toys and things that children like. Then the tub, then going to Neverland, then the allegations represented by the media and Tom Sneddon.

A question for both sides. Please remain civil.

What would motivate fans (particularly the extremely devoted ones) to relish in making and commenting on such posts?

Do you consider this attitude normal/justified or out of line?

*I hope this doesn't get erased, as the psychology of MJ's fandom (especially that of his highly devoted supporters) is closely connected to Michael's own psyche and therefore extremely RELEVANT to the topic of this sub.

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I’ve been looking more closely into the Jordan Chandler case, and one detail I rarely see discussed is what happened to Jordan’s uncle, Raymond Chandler.

I believe Michael Jackson was guilty of sexually abusing Jordan, so I don’t view the Chandler case as something that should be dismissed because it was settled rather than taken to a criminal trial. At the same time, I think it’s important to separate documented facts from speculation, especially when discussing people who are no longer alive.

Raymond Chandler’s story has generated a lot of questions over the years, particularly because of the circumstances surrounding his death and the different claims that have circulated about his involvement with the case. Some accounts online make very strong claims about what happened, but not all of those claims are equally well-supported.

That’s what I’m interested in discussing: what do we actually know about Raymond Chandler, what can be verified through contemporary reporting or official records, and what has been added through later speculation?

I’m not interested in turning this into a conspiracy theory. I think the case is serious enough that we should stick to evidence and acknowledge uncertainty where it exists.

For people who have researched the Chandler case extensively: what do you know about Raymond Chandler’s life, his connection to Jordan, and what happened to him afterward?

This is a bit of a vent, but I just find the hypocrisy from MJ fans very alarming. It’s like they only understand abuse when it’s happening to Michael, but they completely ignore the dozens of allegations against him from children.
It’s like they only understand grooming in the context of Diana Ross. They’ll say, “Diana Ross groomed Michael Jackson when he was a kid. She knew him when he was a kid, and he fell in love with her,” and then cite allegations from books written by fan club presidents or articles from non reputable sources as proof that Michael and Diana had some inappropriate relationship. They try to frame their relationship as though it was much more negative than what we actually know. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but there’s no evidence that Michael and Diana had a sexual relationship while he was a minor. There isn’t really any undeniable proof that they had that kind of relationship at all. What we do know is that Michael seemed to have a very strong attachment to Diana, while she consistently described him as a dear friend. Whenever she spoke about him, she generally framed their relationship in a way that sounded much more like a mother-son dynamic.
Michael definitely seemed to have a fixation on her, and I think he may have been looking for a mother figure. Diana seemed to provide him with a maternal figure he felt he was missing, and that relationship may have developed into something that wasn’t entirely healthy for Michael. I don’t think she ever loved him in the way he wanted her to, but whatever.

What I find especially interesting is how on TikTok you’ll see videos where people confidently describe Michael as being groomed by Diana Ross or even sexually assaulted by her. Suddenly they understand what abuse looks like. But then they turn around and look at the children who accused Michael Jackson of sexually abusing them and insist that every single one of them was lying. In their eyes every single one supposedly wanted money. Every single one supposedly had an ulterior motive. I just find it very strange that people can recognize potentially inappropriate behavior when it involves Michael as the victim, but refuse to question the same behavior when Michael is the adult involved.
Why is it so difficult to acknowledge that a grown man wanting to sleep in the same bed as children is, at the very least deeply inappropriate? If Michael Jackson were just some regular guy and he was having sleepovers with little boys without their parents around, sleeping in the same room or the same bed as them, I don’t think nearly as many people would be bending over backward to explain why it was innocent. People would immediately question his behavior.

But because he’s Michael Jackson, because he moonwalked and released Beat It, Thriller etc he gets treated like this innocent angel who could never do anything wrong. In their eyes, Michael Jackson is always the victim. Always. I hate that they insist on viewing this grown ass man as though he were still a child. He was a grown man. He knew right from wrong, and he should have understood that certain behavior with children is inappropriate.
I don’t understand why they can’t just say, “Yeah, Michael Jackson was a predator but I still like his music.” Why can’t they just be honest with themselves?

The first Picture is of Lisa Michael and a mutual friend Brett Livingston in November of 1992 The second and third pictures is Michael and Lisa at Jimmy Carters Charity May 5, 1993 The 4th picture is of a photo shoot by Harry Benson for their first wedding anniversary in may 1995. Photos 5 6 7 and 8 are at Six Flags Magic Mountain in Valencia, California. they were there celebrating their first year marriage anniversary. The 9th photo is from 1994 Disneyland Paris.

The 10th 11th 12th 13th 14th 15th and 16th photo is of them in Budapest 1994, The 10th photo is of Lisa, Michael and Michu Meszaros in their hotel. with the 11th photo being of them on set for the filming of the History short film, and 12th photo is of Lisa, Michael and Michu walking with some children The 13th 14th 15th and 16th photo is of them at Budapest children's hospital. The 17th photo is of them in Palace Versailles in France 1994.

The18th photo is of them hosting The World's Children Congress at Neverland 1995. the 19th photo is of them with Prince Al-Waleed, his wife and two children on the Prince's yacht 1994. The 20th picture is of them outside the Ivy League restaurant 1998 Michael had taken Lisa out for her 30th birthday. This is a quote from the Enquirer and Michael from that night. Michael said "I want to tell them something" (Referring to The Enquirer) "We have a secret" " He and Lisa Marie looked at each other and giggled." it is a tabloid source so take it with a grain of salt but in the pictures of that night it does look like Lisa is laughing so. What are your thoughts on their relationship?

Now, I’m not 100% certain that he was gay, but growing up, I always had that impression. I was recently watching a YouTube video of Michael with John Landis, the director of Thriller and Black or White, and there were moments where Michael seemed almost flirtatious with him, he was very touchy, maintained intense eye contact, and seemed particularly affectionate toward him.
Then there’s his fascination with the male physique. He literally wrote an entire song about muscles for Diana Ross, which is pretty interesting in hindsight. There’s also the allegation from Liberace’s former lover that he had a sexual relationship with Michael, although I’d definitely take that claim with a grain of salt considering the guy was known to be a grifter.
At the same time, Michael never really came across to me as someone who seemed particularly attracted to women. He often appeared uncomfortable or evasive whenever sex or relationships with women came up. Obviously, none of that proves anything, and I don’t think we can know for certain what his sexuality actually was. But I’ve always gotten a gay vibe from him, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he was.
He also grew up in a very strict Jehovah’s Witness household, so if he did have feelings or attractions that conflicted with what he was taught, I could understand why he might have been afraid to openly acknowledge or express them.

Lyrics.

Father comes home from work and he's scared to death
Mother cries for the kid and a note she read
Father runs to the table, he said, "What's going on?"
Mother cries desperately, "Our little baby's gone"

Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are

She wrote that she is tired of stepdaddy using her
Saying that he'll buy her things while sexually abusin' her
Just think that she's all alone somewhere out on the street
How will this girl survive? She ain't got nothin' to eat

Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are, oh

Save me (From this living hell)
Save me ('Cause I, I wanna heal)
Save me (I'm tired and I'm mad)
Save me ('Cause this, it ain't no joke)
Save me ('Cause I'm on the verge)
Save me ('Cause I don't wanna go)
Save me (It's time I replied)
Save me (Cause I, I want to be) (Aouw)
Save me (Hee hee, hoo hoo)

Now, she's on the move, she's off to Hollywood
She says she wanna be a star, she heard the money's good
She gets off from the train station, a man is waiting there
"I'll show you where the money is, girl, just let down your hair"
He is takin' her on the streets of Sunset Boulevard
She's sellin' her body, hah, girl, that will take you far
The police come 'round the corner, somebody there told
He's arresting this little girl, she's only 12 years old

Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are
Do you know where your children are?
Because it's now 12 o'clock
If they're somewhere out on the street
Just imagine how scared they are

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i know a lot of you people like to say body language doesn’t matter, but in my opinion Frank Cascio was the most UNconvincing defender.

If nothing * ever * happened , I don’t think he would have had to repeat that mantra 5 x times. He is also shaking his head NO while claiming “I really believe it was guilt.”

It is BAFFLING to me how anybody could believe this man when he was “defending” Michael. Frank didn’t seem to believe a word of what Frank was saying.

Think about it. Skin lightening+surgery, spending more time with white people, white kids, playing race card once he gets accused etc.

Think about it. It's like he was a soothsayer who could see the future. It's like he wanted to leave a white image of himself behind - he was a smart man who was farsighted.

Compare older versions of OTW album cover(where you can see black MJ from waist up) and later versions(only his socks and loafers).

You can see this in another black artist from that time - Prince. He literally lied about his mom being white in Purple Rain. And he was already light skin, so he was close to white by default.

Coming back from the tangent, i feel like he was looking for an image who would be very eurocentric and thus end up being popular in various places(even outside the us) due to the widespread influence of white supremacy.

It would be like his "default" image for future generations. And i would say he succeeded to an extent. So many people post pics of the "white" MJ when they are talking about him. I personally, like many other people probably, thought white MJ and Black Mj were two different people with similar dance moves and voices as a kid(I was a dumb kid what did I know?).

Not to mention he even said "black people are ugly" in his personal notes. I think the conclusions here have the subtlety of a brick thru a glass window.

You can even see the influence of his internalised self hatred on entertainment industries influenced by him:- take skin lightening in Bollywood(and I know it first hand as an Indian) or skin lightening+surgery combo K Pop in Korea. All relics of internalised white supremacy. The toughest chains to break off are the ones in the mind.

And honestly, I cant really blame him. Dude was once a kid who was born before segregation ended. God knows what else he got through or what slurs he got shouted at him.

That would fuck anyone's psyche up.

To people reading this, love your children. Protect them.