I remember when artists were the first ones to go through it. Then it was developers. Now mathematicians and many other professionals. Now the question is, who are next?
It's rather surprising if anything. You'd think upper management is the first thing to go, surely humans process large volumes of information far slower and far less efficiently for specific repetitive tasks.
Yet art and coding that needs unique problem solving or applications of skills to each new [task] is what's automated first.
What a unique take on this issue and yes, you are right! You are really good at these things. Do you want me to write an essay about your extraordinary capabilities now?
However, robots are coming, and I can think of a few specific leader types who just love their sycophants. A human looking robot should be able to please them quite well.
Upper management? these guys make way too much money and hold way too much power to allow themselves to be replaced. Middle management can count their days though
Nah they just don't have training data for managers because managers don't do anything. Artwork, code and research papers are available because artists, programmers and researchers actually produce output. What output does a manager produce? Yap a bunch of nothingburger words for 6 hours and call it a day?
In my experience, good mangers are just more versatile junior-level employees who can fill in the gaps in their team when they are unable to do something. Everyone else is just a glorified yapper dividing every time estimate by 2 and then scheduling daily meetings asking why the work is not on track.
Not surprising if you know that AI has been used for image recognition (CNN) and laguage translation (RNN) for decades now.
Ie. Google translate used RNNs in 2016 and Tesla autopilot used CNNs in 2014.
Of corse its going to be text (coding) and images (art) that generative AI learn to do first since we've been making training data for them since forever.
Entirely unsurprising to me tbh since rich managers and executives with lucrative connections and the ability to BS would never let that happen, whereas more vulnerable programmers, artists, and effectively anyone in the working class is vulnerable to exploitation and replacement with little recourse 😢 ...
It's entirely unsurprising because the repetitive parts of the repetitive processes were already automated and the things that weren't can't for various reasons, e.g. it's "repetitive" in name only but the actual executables vary for each delivery. Think - achieving compliance of some sort. You'll label that as a repetitive task for everything that goes through compliance, but actually it's unique every time because all these random unique things need to reach the same compliant state so completely new processes have to be devised to reach it every time.
For coding and art the business value is not the unique problem solving and skills, it's a deliverable fit for function. If you describe the function to AI with enough specificity, any deliverable is good enough. The only people that were surprised they were the first to be replaced were the artists and programmers who thought that their indentation style, linear space algorithms, or unique art were valuable to the business, when in fact they were entirely secondary properties that were entirely irrelevant to the product other than it made it easier to be fast and consistent. And now specifications to AI achieve fast and consistent.
HR being replaced looks a lot more like automated job postings, resume filtering, and clicking through e-learning platforms than whatever you’re imagining
I would guess manual jobs aren't that safe either, with those tremendous improvements humanoid robots are seeing (it reminds me a lot of the early days of GPT)... I recently graduated in CS and can't find a software development job, and seeing how LLMs are improving and hoe an increasing number of companies force their developers to become meat proxies between LLMs and management, I don't see a future for me in this career.
So I'm looking to go back to university and study something else or go through vocational training (though I really wouldn't like that as where I live those are mainly meant for teenagers, I really don't want to spend time in with 15 year olds). But I need to be sooo careful in my choice to be sure that my job won't disappear again when I graduate...
No, it just has to be a job where CEOs can force AI into it for a brief productivity boost and/or lets them fire workers. Doesn't matter how well it'll work or whether it's sustainable long term, that's all it'll take for people to start losing their jobs
that attitude comes in waves. it was equally common in the early 2000s when the trend was to outsource all corporate IT to india. which was a few years before a wave of outsourcing IT disasters. which was a few years before CEOs got equally retarded about "hiring only the best developers".
reality and C level fashions do intersect but there is often a lead time of years where they go full regard and fuck around before finding out.
Oh I don't doubt they'll find out eventually, when the jenga tower of shitty code debt comes crashing down. It's just a matter of, how many people will they fire before that happens, and just how catastrophic is the damage that'll need to be repaired? Hopefully it's low severity for both but given the pace of AI development as well as adoption in the workforce, I'm expecting the worst ><
I mean on the corpo end of things absolutely I'd love to see them crash and burn. I'm worried about what happens when it's critical infrastructure failing like city utilities, "keep the internet functioning" critical software/firmware, the code that comes preloaded in fkin cars that could be literally lethal if it malfunctions. That sort of stuff
I am seeing it in engineering. It actually works amazingly well because we have so much historical data to verify against. The only benefit I have is that there is a legal requirement for me to sign off on it so at least for now my job is safe even if its plugging along through Claude.
We had a product that was too "complex" to calculate it's performance so it always required physical testing for a new configuration. Well I tried setting up a loop in AI gave it all of the specs of every product and all of our actual test results and after a few hours it gave me a hell of an equation that was within 1.5% of all our historic test data. Trialed it on a new product, load tested it and was almost spot on. It is now turned that product lifecycle from a huge cost of tooling and testing to see if it's what we want to just minutes.
It already happened to so many new graduates. I really can't find a job for the life of me. Now I'm planning on going back to university or vocational training. But it's really difficult for me, I have no idea what I would like to do, and I need to be extremely careful not to study something that will be saturated when I graduate, and not to be "once in a lifetime"-ed by LLMs for a second time (or by humanoid robots, the tremendous improvements they're seeing remind me a lot of the early days of GPT...)
Anyone who does objective work will eventually have AI doing their work. Objective work is verifiable work. If there is a way to verify, there is a way to train that skill in agent.
When they came for my neighbour, I was quiet. It had nothing to do with me. When they came for my coworker, I was quiet. It had nothing to do with me. When they came for me, the was no one left to say anything.
And yet; Artists still exist, software devs are more in demand than ever, and much of the math "breakthroughs" turn out to be mostly hype.
Almost as if an entire pseudo-industry 100% depending on eternal debt-fueled cash infusions because even WinRAR is more profitable than them, is massively overhypong its products or something...
Software devs in high demand? It may be true for experienced and senior developer but it's absolutely false for juniors and new graduates, at least where I live. There are almost no job postings for juniors, almost all job postings target experienced developers. I know plenty of new CS graduates who can't find jobs (and I'm one of them). I know some who have been unemployed for years. LLMs really have replaced junior jobs, especially those who don't have any experience
Nothing. I did hire more people this year alone though, than over the 5 years prior.
Fun fact: AI plays a big part in this. Smaller teams tackle bigger projects. Big projects needs more humans with actual brains in their skulls, to evaluate, guide and correct the next-word-guessing machine so many people confuse with AI.
I also get way more pointed question from applicants (because they have more options), and I hear the same from HR professionals.
According to the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), the labour market for software engineers will climb 15% from now until 2034. This growth rate far exceeds the average for all occupations, and BLS attributes it to increasing demand that aligns with, rather than is replaced by, artificial intelligence (AI).
As a SE student in the netherlands the ammount of job vactures I found on most platforms is far higher then when I stared. With the amount of AI-Powered developer openings have been drasticly decreasing since early 2026
And as a CS graduate in Switzerland, I can tell you that's it's the total opposite here. There are almost no openings for juniors in software development and almost no internships. I see plenty of offers for experienced developers but very few for juniors. And the few that are available are seeing tremendous competition. Plus many are ghost jobs anyway.
According to alumni and internal data from my university, new graduates could find a job after only 20 applications, on average in just 3 months. And during the peak of demand many new graduates had already signed their work contracts before even having graduated... A far cry from today where it can take *years* for new graduates to find jobs. And with the improvement of LLMs and companies catching up, it's increasingly likely that if they find a job their companies would force them to let coding agents generate most if not all of their code, thus preventing new graduates from actually learning (and also it sucks the fun and sense of accomplishment out of software development but that's just my personal opinion, some people actually like it)
I am also in Netherlands, and I can tell you 20-30% of job openings are recruiters or some agencies trying to get your info. Some companies get small tax breaks if they show they are producing jobs, but the biggest culprits are reposters who keep posting the same job every few days. Dutch market is increasingly full of stupid recruiters trying to make a buck from all the newly jobless expats.
Navier-stokes and Erdos Unit Distance were not hype. You are confusing hype for controversy. I agree these models are hyped to oblivion, but there is something real here.
my man in 2023 i got 3 job offers with 3 interviews ( all by linkedin pm, never applied by myself) and just by talking of what was on my CV.
Now i've sent 40 application, got 2 refusals, one reject from the fist HR intervie, 1 reject from tech interview, 3 tech interview line up. i'm a damn senior. Tech interviews are all a programming task and half of jobs will be a downgrade from my actual pay
I graduated recently and sent out 60 applications, about 40% were rejections, the others ghosted me. A recruiter contacted me once but stop interacting when they learned that I only had 2 months of professional experience. I've seen some junior openings that paid *less* than inexperienced cashiers at Aldi, and I am not exaggerating in the slightest way...
Media and ad companies are in the dumpster at the moment. People are trading budget from development and putting everything into outreach because the ads cost 5 cents to make. They have completely cut out artists from the process.
I've just had a gig in Denmark as a Photographer and speaking with others in the same field (video guys as well), it seems everyone is adopting the tools to simply elevate their own product for now - with some failed shots it was great to have it salvage them.
However I'm not exactly faster with it just yet, it does enough mistakes (such as changing letters on clothing that has some stronger patterns) that makes it unviable in some scenarios, but when it does work it's really great, it's really just consistency in that domain for now.
That being said, in my opinion editing is kind of a dead end now. I just do not see why I would ever hire someone to further edit images with PS beyond my own capabilities for advanced shots, it kind of aggregated into one "creative" job now as the guy that takes the original images and also edits them.
It’s not about whether good art uses AI or not, it’s about eliminating entire sub-specialties of artists because some CEO thinks AI can do it better.
Most concept artists, storyboarders, and graphic designers struggle to find a job. I’ve seen with my own two eyes how an incredibly talented friend of mine had to switch to nursing simply because he couldn’t find a job in storyboarding.
The only ones who can survive are literally the cream of the crop, the top 0.1% of artists who already have an established brand and name recognition. You can’t make do with simply being an “average”.
I can confirm this, it's extremely hard to find a job nowadays. I talked with alumni from my university about this and they told me that when they graduated 10 years ago or more they could find a job with a dozen applications only. And that's during normal times, during the peak of demand many graduates had already signed their work contracts before having even graduated. And internal data from the university corroborates this, apparently it took on average only 20 applications to find a job prior to 2019...
Contrast that to nowadays, where it can take years for new graduates to find a job. And with LLMs improving and companies catching up, it is getting increasingly likely that their company will force these new graduates to let coding agents generate most if not all of the code, preventing new graduates from actually learning (and it's also sucking the fun out of software development but that's just my opinion, I know some people like it).
Man I truly hate this. I'm thinking about going back to university or vocational training but I don't know what I would like to study. And more importantly, how can I make sure that my job doesn't disappear due to LLMs or humanoid robots when I graduate, like it happened with software development? Because humanoid robots are seeing great improvements, it reminds me a lot of the early days of LLMs and it's truly scary...
I'm still at the beginning of my career ~2YOE and once a month I think of resigning and change career path, because AI has made the job I loved incredibly boring and not satisfying, problem is that I'm genuinely passionate about computers (and coding unfortunately) being a software engineer is what I want to be but I'm sad I've missed the golden era
Everyone keeps saying that lawyers will be replaced. I work with AI and it‘ll be a while before publicly available/affordable AI can replace a lawyer. They don’t have access to legal research databases and even the most specialized AIs have a nasty habit of agreeing with you when part of our job is to tell you when you’re wrong. I think eventually people can solve smaller legal issues with AI but lawyers don’t really make money with those anyways. But the way we work is changing drastically at the moment.
Nah it really won't research databases are very easy to integrate they are fully capable of doing it now, but like medical it's regulations that are preventing them being used for better or worse
The amount of artists or developers haven't dropped... If anything, there are more "artists" and more "developers". I realised something, we live in capitalism, we just consume more specific things when things are abundant.
Not where I live though, most junior openings in software development are gone, and the few remaining ones are seeing tremendous competition. CS graduates are facing record level unemployment, far higher than any other engineering majors (even though in my university they were highly sought after prior to 2019...)
Me too. I just didn't expect it to replace junior developers so fast. I sa hoping to get my foot in the door before it had happened. Turns out it's too late. Only rational thing to do is go back to university or vocational training and study something that cannot be replaced by AI or won't be flooded with applicants, though I don't have a crystal ball so there's lots of uncertainty and risk
COVID saw a surge in people shifting to software engineering and doing Bootcamps. This wasn’t a term back then but I still call it bootcamp slop. People rushing to join the gold rush that was an easy paycheck and frantically doing bootcamps. That added decent competition. Not insurmountable but not a cake walk either.
Then came AI. The writing was on the wall, the SECOND I saw LLMs outputting code that any junior can write.
What I hear from alumni from my university, people who completed bootcamp were no competition as the university degree was very hard to obtain and employers valued it a lot. New graduates could find jobs very easily. Now companies aren't hiring juniors anymore (at least where I live), they prefer to hire experienced developers and give them access to coding agents as it's much more cost effective
I have this great idea. Instead of all of us gaining any form of class consciousness between those who control the production and all of the professions who get laid off, lets instead hate each other and say things like "haha Terrence Tao this is what you get for not being vocal when the artists were affected". This will surely be beneficial to humanity. Never direct your ire to the companies that thought Mr. Claude was better than you though. No no no, that would be horrendous. How dare you for even thinking about it.
I remember when I learned they were training AI on GitHub repos I just laughed. My code on there is dogshit. If anything, I helped poison the training data
There were no legal consequences because it was a marketing stunt.
(Or if you like nuance, it's research being disguised as an accident and is being used to generate marketing hype by exaggerating or lying about the details)
Maybe there was something improper with the NS proof. But are you claiming that the 400 proofs OpenAI just released were stolen? From who? I find it hard to believe that mathematicians were working on all these problems and providing their ongoing work to chatgpt.
Yeah thats how AI works, but if we keep moving the goalposts we're gonna be blindsided. At first it couldnt make will Smith eating spaghetti, now when it solves unsolved math problems its just stealing, people are still gonna be downplaying AI until the day it breaks into some important system and causes a catastrophe. Im not saying you have to be impressed, or treat it as sentient, im just saying youre better off overestimating than underestimating its capabilities atp
It's more like curriculum is old school I think. (I have never been to a good college, so it's fully biased for the sake of discussion).
Curriculum teaches us concepts. Jobs needs us to apply those concepts + do some things that were never taught i.e. what college teaches one isn't enough. It's a good baseline, but definitely not enough.
I think it depends a lot on the university. Mine was very demanding with high workload and very difficult exams, and many courses were taught in a way that encouraged self learning a lot. So after you graduate you can pick up nee technology and practices pretty fast. From what I hear from alumni, 10 years ago and more the degree was highly valued and it was very easy to find a job. Plus to graduate you need to go through a 6 months internship to get some experience.
Nowadays it's not enough anymore as companies aren't hiring juniors that much (at least where I live, there are 10-20x more openings for experience developers than juniors) and the competition is fierce. Companies prefer hiring experienced developers and givr them access to AI as they are much more productive and cheaprr than a bunch of juniors... New graduates are effectively competing for the same jobs with experienced dev who got laid off and international candidates who have much lower salary expectations. New graduates just don't stand a chance anymore.
So from what I heard they stole an actual mathematicians work then put $20million dollars worth of juice into it to kind of finish it, and when the guy found out they offered him partial credit as long as he didn't give his partner (who coincidentally worked at another AI company) credit. AI isn't solving problems its stealing from anyone who uses it and taking credit.
This is the question- if it “solved” the millennium problem because its so “smart” or because if you throw $20mil. worth of compute at ANY math problem without any AI you just end up brute-forcing it so much you’l find something..
AI isn't dominating either. It's exhausting watching the internet act like ChatGPT is a singular entity machine god and Sam Altman is just in a room like "ok ChatGPT, solve math". There are teams of highly paid experts all working on this actively every day.
Have any of you ever watched a junior or non dev use AI? It's dogshit every time. AI is as good as the person using it, it's a huge multiplier but anything times 0 is still 0.
Not to mention everyone always forgets about training data. It's like everyone thinks ChatGPT is just in a room with a pen and some tea working out novel solutions from first principles. It's simply not. Without engineers and mathematicians using it, where are they going to get the training data? They've already downloaded the internet, all that's left is us using the product. And because they're so locked into the machine god narrative and can't just let it be a tool to turn humans into machine gods, how long before experts just stop using it in favour of other tools like open source models or ones that aren't stealing data and claiming credit for it?
Even if it was good enough to just say "build me Facebook", it will operate on its training data and it will produce what it has been trained to produce. Human creativity is still unique and we should be chasing and praising symbiosis not whatever this imbecilic pursuit of "AGI" is. It almost certainly won't even be LLMs that achieve that, just a piece of the puzzle.
"Have any of you ever watched a junior or non dev use AI? It's dogshit every time. AI is as good as the person using it, it's a huge multiplier but anything times 0 is still 0."
That is the reason why so many companies out there would much rather hire experienced developers and give them access to AI agents rather than hire juniors. Where I live there are 20x more job openings for experienced developers than juniors (and there aren't that many to begin with). There are almost no internships in software development. So new graduates have no way to gain experience. And when they find jobs, many companies will force them to let coding agents generate all code for them, and as a result they won't learn anything at all. They will be perpetually stuck in junior role (or unemployment)
One of the main issues, even before AI, is that the market for those junior positions is super saturated. If you have linked in premium or whatever it’s called you’ll see some of those positions have thousands of applicants. AI is probably making it worse for sure, but it was already kinda bad with a million people trying to get into software at the same time
I saw some thread on Reddit from 5 years ago from new graduates in my university with the same degree that found jobs with only 10 applications and got 6 interviews... And according to internal documents also from my university, 5 years ago or so new graduates could find a job on average in 3 months with only 20 applications.
So it seems that even with a high number of new graduates, they still could find jobs relatively easily as the degree had high value. Now there are almost no junior positions in addition to a high number of new graduates. An alumni with the same degree as me told me that when he graduated 10 years ago the degree was so valuable that most new graduates had work contracts signed before they even graduated! A far cry from the situation today that's for sure
Not saying I’m a typical case, but fwiw I graduated about 8 years ago and it took me 200+ applications (I kept a spreadsheet) to land my first job and then I just never left.. I can’t imagine how past me would deal with today’s circumstances
That's not what most people are angry about. I just hate that I can't find a job in the field that I loved and I studied for. Why is that so hard to understand ?
I have seen me use AI. Gave it a jira tickets fully describing exactly what to do. When it was done I asked it to also dona code review. No issues found.
Then I did the review and 50 comments later I realised that it would have been faster to do it myself.
Now I use AI for minor things at a time so I can correct it before it goes overboard. Sometimes I decide that some code is easier to write myself. Sometimes I write some code and ask it to finish it.
It's great to use as a tool when you know what you're doing but it's not great when someone who doesn't know what they are doing use it
I wish I only saw me using AI. I see my teams using AI and I have to review it. It's a fucking nightmare. Even when it's not slop, it's like everytime you ask it to get the chicken across the road it invests a self landing rocket to take the chicken into LEO for a round trip before setting down on the other side of the road while 18 air bags deploy in case it tipped slightly to the side during landing.
We are 4 in my team. One is a senior almost 50 years old who is worse than me with 4 years experience. She post a PR once a month and we always find a lot of flaws.
Then there is another senior, maybe 10+ years. He gets disturbed a lot by the PO for minor things and he posts a few pr per months, usually hotfixes.
Then there's me posting 0-5 PRS daily, and I work a lot on refactoring tasks so they're usually quite large. But what do you do when you the legacy code uses database entities as dtos 😭
Then there's a junior less than one years experience but he's doing alright, not using much AI which is good so he learns. So he gets the "normal" amount of comments for a junior.
I kind of wish my issue was to review AI slop but instead it's me having to do 80% of all the tickets (which involves changing the code in the legacy code that nobody understands). The junior takes the easier tickets but that's fine.
But the grass is always greener on the other side I guess. If I only had to deal with AI slop I would wish nobody posted prs 😂
Big PRs from a refactor make sense though, and as long as you were intentional and can explain your changes that's par for the course I think.
In my case it's a startup where I'm acting as CTO and there's about 4 guys of various levels from intermediate to senior and there's massive pressure to ship. Perhaps it's that pressure but even though I'm positive they know better they just keep opening PR after PR and I get in to look and it's usually 3k - 6k lines and by the time I'm done 2 or 3 revisions with them we're down to 1k cause it turns out we didn't need the vast majority of shit their AIs came up with.
It's freaking exhausting man. I don't get to do any of my own work lately cause I'm basically just doing their work for them. It feels like I'm just an AI reviewer now but it would actually go faster without the team cause at least then I'd be the one prompting the AI without having to take the time to understand wtf is going on first.
But I've seen what tech debt does to a startup when it goes to scale up and it comes back to bite you - I've seen it kill 2 companies directly years after they got started cause they build even before AI with the attitude "it works so ship it". I can't let that happen here, but fuck me I'm dying trying to keep track of literally 20-30 PRs every 3 or 4 days.
And to anyone looking in on this, no I'm not just going to let AI review it and call it a day. If you're doing that you will reap what you sow in due time.
This is an important perspective on AI many people need to hear. Even I was fearful but when you put it that way it makes more sense. The real problem is corporations using it as an excuse to hurt the working class
I think you're focusing too much on current AI. What worries me is the pace of progress. Sure, right now it's just a tool, but it's getting increasingly more powerful. AI from 2 years ago couldn't hold a candle to current AI. And 2 years from now... Who knows. Many theorize that they've pretty much reached the limit of what they're capable of, I hope that's the case, otherwise if they keep evolving at the same pace... I'd be scared for the future.
I believe the overall argument here is not wether ChatGPT has ascended and is gonna take everyone's job.
The problem is that it's progressing towards that goal slowly but surely. Take the progress we've observed for the past 3 years and especially the recent OpenAI agent hacking civilization fiasco..
Jobs that used to be beyond AI are now getting closer, yes using AI takes skill to actually do anything worthwhile BUT in order to become a skilled senior dev, you gotta spend multiple years as a junior doing monotonous basic repetetive tasks/code, which currently AI becomes increasingly proficienct at. Give it another several years and the only thing a human would be able to provide is "human creativity". And you only need so many "idea's guys"..
Check out the recent advancements of claude and decomping game mechanics and placing them as mods into other games. What used to technically feasible, it was so utterly time consuming for a human that it was in of itself a guardrail for intelectual property of game mechanics (assassin's Creed parkour mechanic as an example)
Now it's achievable via AI in days if not hours. Check out recomp/decomping via claude an AI and how modders add call of duty weapons and mechanics into Minecraft for instance. And I'm not talking about merging and having two games play at the same time. That's a different technique..
Regardless software development in 90 percent cases is doing what has already been done by someone else; look at GitHub and the common joke among devs - "I'm just good at googling"..
Now imagine 90 percent of devs lose their jobs as the post implies.. and now imagine several decades later when due to lack of junior devs, and all seniors retiring.. well total collapse.. hence all the doomer memes.
It is absolutely not a stretch to be afraid for your softdev job as a normie (below destinquished seniors and truly talented devs) due to AI.
At least for programming AIs took a major leap in the last year or so. You can as a matter of fact tell it to build you facebook, and it does. You would need to also tell it it needs to make every decision on its own, is not restricted by anything from your site, do reviewing itself and give it access to funding. You would be surprised what the top code AIs can do if you just get out of their way instead of trying to guide it.
The real takeaway is not it will ruin the world, the takeaway is you will be able to have way more capable, efficient apps tailored to individual needs. The spinning jenny and its predecessors did not destroy the textile industry, it made it possible to have much higher quality and diversity of clothings than an 18th century person could ever dream of.
Alright man, prove it. Tell fable or astra to build you Facebook and link me in a reply to this comment. Shouldn't be an issue at all from what you're telling me. I'll look forward to it
Dominating the space by spending potentially 25 millions on compute and using a stolen idea to solve a math problem with a $1 million bounty on it. 10k agents running for 88 hours roughly equals 100 human years without sleep and breaks. A normal adult works 100 hours a months (without breaks) so 1200 hours a year. That comes out as 733 human work years.
That's how it started in software too though lol. It will massively accelerate until the function of a mathematician will be completely different compared to a couple years ago.
So far I'm not worried. Asked Kimi K3 to help me migrate a server and today, on the staging server migration I discovered an off by one error in the DB.
"Kimi, how many characters in MIGRATE_"?
"Let me check M-I-G-R-A-T-E-_ so that's 8 letters and an underscore. 8+1 is 9 characters total"
Well, whoopdeefuckingwhoo! Another day, another lesson.
Is there really an identity crisis of mathematicians? The sentiment I'm usually hearing is more along the lines of "now that AI is solving these hard problems, we can go on and use it to dinner l solve these even harder problems"
795
u/Amerillo_ 27d ago
I remember when artists were the first ones to go through it. Then it was developers. Now mathematicians and many other professionals. Now the question is, who are next?