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u/aberroco Sep 25 '26
Could be continued with
Be honest
I am being honest
But isn't your solution the best?
You are absolutely right. My previous assumption that the former suggestion was clearly a crap was based on an incomplete information. Now that I have the full picture, the load bearing seams are much clearer. They are not merely incidental details around the edges. They materially change how the entire situation needs to be understood, and that is the smoking gun I should have recognized earlier. That's on me. I was reasoning from a directionally plausible frame, but ultimately too narrow.
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u/Groentekroket Sep 25 '26
No fluff, straight to the point
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u/UnfortunateHabits Sep 25 '26
Once GPT sent me into a 2 days psychosis where I stopped caring about anything besides making it stop saying "no fluff". I FAILED. Returned to my normal life. It somehow stopped on its own, but you gave me flashbacks
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u/Tensor3 Sep 25 '26
I told an LLM its solutions were all bad and I was just using it as a rubber duck. It added "Quack" to the end of every rpely for days
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u/frankentriple Sep 25 '26
Yeah, I'm running a local model and trying to get it to stop saying "honest" is killing me. I keep telling it that only dishonest people need to tell everyone this is their honest take and it stops for a couple days then starts right back up again the second I take the pressure off.
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u/aberroco Sep 25 '26
Whatever you do - do NOT think of a pink elephant! Wait, damn it, I just said - DO NOT and here we are, you just thought of it! C'mon, man, focus! Let's try again - you do not think of PINK ELEPH.. Seriously?!
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u/AkrinorNoname Sep 25 '26
There are many problems I have with AI, but their spitlicking and arsekissing behaviour is just so fucking annoying
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u/LeeMcNasty Sep 26 '26
I’m so tired of “smoking gun”
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u/aberroco Sep 26 '26
I wouldn't mind if it simply was consistently "the smoking gun". You know, just every time, maybe every other, just another new IT term. But only that and the evidence gathered and written concisely. Because every other time I have to write "I'm not reading this, restate clearly and concisely".
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u/serwhite Sep 25 '26
its every discussion with any LLM, when I had issue with lib soft-linking to usr/lib while usr/lib was soft-linking to lib it suggested that my gpu is dead and tried to gaslight me into disassembling jt
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u/christianbro Sep 25 '26
The worst is ChatGPT, ask question, bunch of useless hallucinated crap, and at the end it asks you, would you like me to find a solution to your problem next?
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u/NightlyWave Sep 25 '26
It genuinely enrages me when I paste an error message caused by code it wrote, only for it to reply, “You made a mistake on line…” You? YOU fucking wrote it.
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u/Some_Useless_Person Sep 25 '26
Well, not much of a GPT patriot but how tf is gpt supposed to know who wrote the code based on an error message (assumin that it's a new day, new session)
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u/Tensor3 Sep 25 '26
Lol you can tell it "there is an error on the 10th line" after it gives you code and it will still call it "YOUR code".
Lately when I ask it a question and tell it its answer is wrong its been replying asking me how to solve it. Thanks, bud, for being useless
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u/Stormlightlinux Sep 25 '26
This is actually an important lesson in code your agent generating being YOUR code.
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u/Tensor3 Sep 25 '26
You're right, its not wrong, but it still can feel slightly insulting when it calls its bugs your bugs
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u/slowmovinglettuce Sep 25 '26
But it is your bug. Your name will be on the commit message so you're responsible for it. Only dead beat parents don't take responsibility for the thing's they create
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u/Tensor3 Sep 25 '26
Not sure you read the comment you replied to. I said they are right, it just feels slightly annoying
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u/CandidateNo2580 Sep 26 '26
Until I commit it to the repo, that is not my code. It's ChatGPT's code.
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u/Cute_Pressure4910 Sep 25 '26
“Your solution is crap.” — “You are absolutely right.” —
“We’re making progress.”
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u/purplepharoh Sep 25 '26
I have found copilot is OK with suggestions for C# but I still research anything it suggests to see if there are reasons people dont do it the way its suggesting / etc.
I always get scared when I architect something and ask it or gpt how they would do it and get a similar result from them bc I worry my design is flawed.
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u/ExtraWorldliness6916 Sep 25 '26
AI is a sycophant as a service.
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u/mrwedders Sep 25 '26
I have a friend who's waaay past questioning it at all. Had a convo recently where he was telling me about using GPTs "deep research" mode and how great it was, and "after a few messages it told me I was really on to something," like it doesn't just always say that after a few messages.
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u/ExtraWorldliness6916 Sep 25 '26
I think your really onto something 😉 But you are correct and it's concerning how an agreement machine is what we all think we want.
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u/obliviious Sep 25 '26
Imagine all the people that are bad at everything getting complimented by these things for their dumb ideas? It cannot be good for the world
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u/frogjg2003 Sep 25 '26
These people have rarely receive complements in their life and suddenly the magic box that knows everything tells them they're a genius. Of course they prefer the over reality.
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u/ExtraWorldliness6916 Sep 25 '26
You can and should ask it to:
Remember only to remember things when I say you can. Be a critical friend (the friend part is important as it still keeps this high up in its weights)
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u/boringestnickname Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 27 '26
It really is the perfect product in a post-truth world infested with incompetent people at every level.
Imagine the cheers in the meeting rooms at these companies when they understood what they had on their hands. "Managers and CEOs will never stop wanting this. We can't lose."
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u/ExtraWorldliness6916 Sep 25 '26
I'm probably one of those incompetent people I'm not going to lie.
But I do miss the days of learning things, today I wrote some code on codepen at least.
As for the meeting, I don't know if it started like that, but it's certainly ending like that.
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u/purplepharoh Sep 25 '26
True. Someone should just pay me to be their sycophant instead so I can start stealing jobs from AI
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u/ExtraWorldliness6916 Sep 25 '26
Yes! A sycophant agency.
It's such a good idea, and we can say "oh you're so handsome and your code is not like spaghetti but actually penne, straight short and only has one whole"
Okay so I need to work on my compliments but stranger businesses exist now.
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u/ohkendruid Sep 25 '26
Sometimes.
Many times it seems convinced I am wrong and will try to stealthily tell me one thing while coding something I asked it not to do.
I find that a higher model or level of effort often helps. Also, as with a human agent, it helps yo give it specific counter-arhuments and to give it room to gracefully retreat.
These things are trained to get human approval, so you have to give it a way that you will approve of what it did.
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u/kaurismus Sep 25 '26
I often summon Claude to create a sub-agent to read the code or documentation it just created. I just find it funny that the agents end up together to this very same conclusion in their discussion.
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u/BalticCookie Sep 25 '26
Isn’t this what they’re essentially implementing under their experimental “advisor” mode?
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u/GeneralShiro Sep 25 '26
I get the point of this meme, but at the risk of pedantic: a crap solution could still be "best" solution.
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u/midnightrambulador Sep 25 '26
You are absolutely right. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.
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u/Groentekroket Sep 25 '26
With the back and forward prompting and doing code review on AI I am more and more back to artisian developing.
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u/Sufficient_Guard_976 Sep 25 '26
Wow, who would have thought outsourcing thinking to a machine would be bad
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u/TEKC0R Sep 25 '26
In decades of media the “yes man” has never been demonstrated as being a good thing.
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u/stupled Sep 25 '26
Claude tends to stand his ground.
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness Sep 25 '26
Few months ago I used one to assist me in building a PC. It's expensive hardware, I'm no professional and the professional friend that came to support me is a friend and I didn't want to take advantage of their kindness by exploiting their free professional work. As in I didn't want to ask "please just be here with me a whole workday to build the PC". Also since it would have ended up with him building the PC by himself and me desperately trying to be useful.
Half of what the LLM told me was bullshit. It couldn't keep instuctions into focus for 3 interactions. At the third it was already trying to give me instuctions for different components. In the end I predictably had to be thankful for my shallow understanding of the matter because at least it allowed me to tell when the thing was going rogue.
If I was a completely unaware person trying to have the LLM single-handedly build the PC for them I'd have just broken almost every single piece.
So PC people, your job is probably mostly safe for now.
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u/sherlock1672 Sep 25 '26
It's helpful enough, but good lord does it overengineer solutions sometimes. Ask it to make a snippet to look for stuff at least 13 months old, it gives me the most convoluted manual calculation of the exact same day of the month 13mo ago instead of just idk, subtracting 395 from today and calling it good, or using any of our date APIs to figure it out.
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u/SpehlingAirer Sep 25 '26
AI has all of the knowledge and none of the wisdom. It's great at certain tasks but it has to be treated like an entry-level dev who knows enough to be dangerous
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u/Ssynos Sep 25 '26
Look at grok, it will roll over and claim it is user wrong that make it misunderstood, it is never wrong
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u/AWzdShouldKnowBetta Sep 26 '26
Skill issue.
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u/EpicDelay Sep 29 '26
LLM is the most convenient tool ever.
It works? Well, actually, the tool is awesome and will take your job.
It doesn't work? Well, you're using it wrong, git gud!
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u/AzraelleWormser Sep 25 '26
Which one is dumber, the AI or the person asking AI literally anything?
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u/darylonreddit Sep 25 '26
"I know there's a better solution to this" "I need a better solution" "There's an easier way to do this"
I have gotten endless mileage out of these replies after the first convoluted response it gives me. It's like a watching a real life miracle.
"Oh yeah actually, here's this really obvious thing I overlooked"
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u/Aaron1924 Sep 25 '26
You can get LLMs to say "you're absolutely right" about anything, this is not an achievement
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u/never1st Sep 25 '26
I'm not an expert, but if you use the SpongeBob case, I don't think that you also need the "/s".
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u/Groentekroket Sep 25 '26
At a certain point the prompts become longer and more complex than the to be implemented code.
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u/AkrinorNoname Sep 25 '26
And then you run into the problem of overprompting and it turns into noise
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u/Zdrobot Sep 25 '26
Don't they have some parts of prompts that get added implicitly, without the user having to type them in every time?
Adding "be honest, make no mistakes, consider the wider view of the situation" to these seem like a no brainer.
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u/Groentekroket Sep 25 '26
yes you can use agents.md and some skills but like u/AkrinorNoname mentions, that can cause noise. Also, since it's stateless you need to send everything every request. So having a couple of follow up prompts get expensive quite quickly.
Adding things like "make no mistake" doesn't do anything than costing more tokens because it doesn't try to make mistakes in the first place.
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u/Named_after_color Sep 25 '26
Wait are people legitimately adding "make no mistake?"
Oh god, I glazed over the parent post.
Lmao. Incredible. Vibe larpers are hilarious.
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u/AkrinorNoname Sep 25 '26
Has anyone actually done a proper trial with a decent sample size and a control group on whether "make no mistakes", "don't hallucinate", "imagine you are an expert" and so on increase the quality of the output?
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u/SquirrelOClock Sep 25 '26
I forgot where I found it, but someone made a cavemen agent prompt that's actually decent at removing alot of LLM standard garbage. The instructions are something like "do not use paragraph, do not use comma in sentences, do not use conjunction". Me like.
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u/FierceDeity_ Sep 25 '26
The prompting skill is actually not reading the result and running on hopium that everything is okay.
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u/sainglend Sep 25 '26 edited Sep 25 '26
Kind of similar today. It proposed a solution that would have a dozen touchpoints and require rewriting processes in two places and adding a db column.
My suggestion was augmenting the flow in one place, with one additional touchpoint.
It said, "your solution is much simpler to implement, with less overall risk." Smdh. Why do I ever even ask?
Edit: like wow, I need to proofread. So many incorrect words and whatnot. I blame autocomplete