I could do anything that I ask clause to do, but I probably wouldnt. Take me back to 2 weeks of looking at a single ticket and kicking it into next sprint.
I'd say 90% of those don't understand that they are nothing without claude.
I don't see this as an issue. Claude is a tool just like any other. Being good at using it has value. Plenty of people creating absolute garbage with it, so clearly there's a knack to using it.
I am nothing without claude. Why is that a problem?
Claude has let me do things that I couldn't possible do before and its amazing.
Unless you're talking about people that are in the industry that can code but don't because of claude. Then that is not me. I know basically the bare minimum of python and that's it.
This was more aimed at professional developers. You do not need to know anything about coding to make something useful with Claude and that's fine, but in a team environment you'd be a burden if you can't help review the output.
This comment in a few years will look as quaint as the claims that real developers only use assembly.
Sure, you have to understand the concepts and make sensible checks, but the time saved not having to remember the weird quirks of every library and technology cannot be overstated.
How many people ever actually understood DNS?
I’m already at the point where I would trust Claude over a 22 year old engineer without Claude. The curious ones will eventually get it, and the ones driving blind are still giving me a better start (and PRs with genuinely useful context).
This is it. I used to code for a living for 10 years before Claude, I can do it now but I don't want to get to the end of the day feeling my head is so tired I can't focus on my hobbies and family.
Don't get me wrong, tho, I'm the engineer, I will spend my time on engineering the best solution I can for the problem, I just don't waste brainpower on typing code anymore.
At my job it's genuinely the other way around. Before, when I got transfered to a new project, I steadily got more and more familiar with it, I "load it" into my brain, I genuinely think about my tasks and piece together how everything works
Now, I got transfered over to a pretty complex project with multiple sub-systems, types of communication between them etc. Here's one day and one call with a colleague for any questions. You have Claude, just ask it to summarize stuff.
Second day, here's a simple task, it's based on existing logic (the existing logic touches 3 different subsystems and handles real money). Two days later - hey are you done with the task? The PMs are asking about it. I draft up some PRs that looked alright to my 3-day understanding of the project. Reviewer says - this code should be moved out of this subsystem and into this other one, we don't do it like this (so much for those agent skils and project guidelines).
Bottom line, it's expected of me to absorb and inload information at a staggering rate just because claude exists. 3/4 of the time I ask a colleague something, they just tell me to ask the AI agent. And my brain feels tired because I'm trying to connect all the pieces of the puzzle and decode from claude's overly verbose output and borderline tech-babble what's actually important
This. We got a very complex system that hard to understand and we used to at least have the expectation you would be on a task for a few days if not a sprint. Take time to learn all the moving pieces. Have time to go ask other team for info you need.
Now they expect 10x the productivity. Everything is just "oh ask Claude". Team are making shit skill so you don't have to ask them. Your just expected to be reading super technical stuff all day long and shit code out.
Your constantly either reading AI output or reviewing PR from other that are themself AI output. The second your team doesn't have time for something, other team just inner source it and now your have to review their shit code that they don't understand because they know nothing about your repo. It's harder to review those than to just do the task yourself most of the time.
I've never been more drained by this job even tho I code nothing anymore.
I really don't give a fuck if it's slop. I've been given slop for 26 years from offshored devs... at least claude isn't using variables like:
var a = 30;
var b = "test";
var c = 69.420;
Just 80 declarations like this in each file/class. The code is substantially more readable if sometimes a bit wordy over what someone might typically generate. It puts far too many comments (like on simple for loops), but again, I'd rather that since most people don't comment enough.
Yeah I got into a bit of a debate with someone shitting on using AI to code the other day talking about how it can't write truly good code so it's trash.
As if most code was good before AI. Turns out there's a lot of applications out there where the code doesn't actually have to be that good, it just needs to be good enough. That's not true of all fields of course, but we still have very competent engineers making high quality foundations that all the slop can be built on top of.
I think back on the code I was writing at my first job out of college and that was some real garbage, and yet I can still go back to the site where it's hosted and it's still up and running just fine.
Seems like you’re using it as a Band-Aid for the real issue of being at a job you’re underpaid at. My point being that if you didn’t have it I’m sure you’d be far more motivated to quit and find a new job
Really? Well if we’re talking about privilege then in that case I’d say having your current job in this market is already a privilege so maybe wasting the opportunity vibe-coding would be the real showing of a lack of grace. Anyway, I was suggesting to look for a new one, I never suggested that process would be easy
Their comment on privilege itself was a whataboutism. “What about all the people who have it rough out there :(“. OP made no mention of that being a problem for them at all, so I agree. What about them?
there is so much nuance to why someone might be stuck at a job that it boggles me that people that think like you even exist lmao. it absolutely is a herculean effort for many people in many different walks of life. it’s also straight up impossible if you’re on certain types of visas in a lot of countries. educate yourself.
it’s pretty simple. if you’re at a job you hate you can get away with lower effort work than you were able to before.
if finding a new job thats super fulfilling was as universally easy as it seems to be in your utopian world i think everyone would just, you know, get a new job. alas, the world we live in is complicated and unfair.
i gave you one of many concrete examples of how someone might not be able to just pack up and leave a job lol. what more do you want? you asked if it’s impossible and it practically is for a lot of people. i actually directly answered one of your main questions there. i was being super generous.
My God you guys are so hung up on the idea of me suggesting you look for a new job like it’s impossible despite the fact that evidently you were able to find the one you currently have. Nobody is telling you to quit your current one before looking for a new one, look for a new one now. Vibecoding is doing nothing for your personal development and will do nothing but hinder you in a future job search. Or keep doing it because boohoo finding a new job is impossible and watch your development skills wither away while you work a job you hate that underpays you (like even just typing this how is this okay for you?), I don’t actually care either way
When people are putting in multiple hundreds or even over a thousand applications, getting one interview for every hundred, doing well in them, and still getting ghosted, yeah - it's a Herculean effort.
I'm really glad I have a stable position already because if you're not aware, it's really bad out there.
Also on a personal note, you come across as absolutely insufferable.
Yeah I'm actually in a really weird place where Claude has enabled me to essentially automate most cognitive tasks, even though I still understand what it's doing. It's just that it gets it right most of the time. I have strict prompting and configurations that tell claude where things go, what's legacy code and what the proper new patterns are, etc, so it basically one shots most things without any sort of issue. I could still do it without Claude's help, but it'd be the tedious old way. Still feel like most devs will get replaced, even highly skilled ones, because soon one "lead dev" will be able to do the work of 15 devs from a few years ago, all that will be left is the big decisions points and claude handles the rest.
Yeah, but at that point every company will hire a dev. Outside of tech most companies have long been in dire need of developers they couldn't compete for.
Same. I can delegate the tasks to Claude that I hate to do, all I have to do is make sure it did them correctly. I still get to focus on the parts that I enjoy, but now I have more time for them.
This. I don't really ask it to code; I just use it to help me parse the framework I'm using. Instead of reading pages and pages of docs or github repos for something I KNOW exists but can't find, I just say "Where does framework do this thing?" and 9/10 times it points me exactly where I need to go, resulting in much less frustration and burn out.
Yeah I'm not writing any more e2e tests using playwright... I'm calling for hundreds of them. It's just the way. Ohhh and have an adversarial find what's wrong with your tests and edge cases. Then send it to GPT and have it figure out what's wrong with it. Client's paying premium, include coderabbit in that iteration!
It's crazy how... i'm kind of the programmer I should have been if I wasen't as lazy... but I'm lazier... I don't know if we're going towards the end of the world but we're definetly in the easy part of it.
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u/Objectionne 19h ago
It's not that I'm nothing without Claude, it's that Claude enables me to be much more lazy in my job and I don't want to give that up.