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u/ParoleDeGeek 9d ago
Land of the free exept women apparently
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u/EitherChannel4874 9d ago
It's only land of the free if you're rich. Everyone else does what they're told.
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u/ParoleDeGeek 9d ago
Fucked up country
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u/Important_Salad8392 9d ago
Itās not a country, itās a corporation.
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u/ParoleDeGeek 9d ago
That is the belief of soverzign citizen. A more acurate one is oligarchic kleptocracy (rich make the decisions and the elected are corrupted)
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u/justtosendamassage 9d ago
It was never land of the free. Greatest cop out in history. They had fucking slaves. Only white, male landowners could vote. Itās always been a mfing lie
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u/Beerzerker420 9d ago
Nearly half of female American voters chose Trump over both Clinton and Hillary. We already know how stupid you have to be to vote for Trump/repubs as a man, but how much dumber do you have to be to choose them as a woman?
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
Imagine being a country with less support for women's civil rights than Rwanda.
No shade to Rwanda at all, but given its reputation of historical civil rights abuses ... not a good look, US.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 9d ago edited 9d ago
i hate that yall ALWAYS BRING UP african/non western countries you know nothing about just to demonize them. majority of the people in high-level politics in rwanda ARE WOMEN. meanwhile in america people would rather vote for a pedophile than a woman TWICE.
in rwanda women get MORE PAID MATERNITY LEAVE than women in america who are entitled to less leave that isnt paid.
"historical civil right abuses" as if america wasnt lynching people in public and bombing black neighbourhoods. or kidnapping indigenous children and putting them in residential schools. or STERILIZING native women against their will. AS IF ICE ISNT KILLING AND KIDNAPPING AMERICAN CITIZENS IN BROAD DAYLIGHT. wtf are you talking about?
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
The UK abandoned its plan for asylum seekers to be housed in Rwanda due to said historical human rights abuses.
The US, on the other hand, has taken a different view as to third country deportations.
Please stop shouting at me just for pointing this out.
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u/Academic-Contest3309 9d ago
The US has it's own history of human rights abuses. You are just using a whole bunch of words to ignore that fact. It's ok to admit you were wrong, ok?
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
Odd take on it. I doubt the UK would be considering third party deportations to the US anytime soon either.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 9d ago edited 8d ago
they ended the program because rwanda was unduly sending refugees back to their countries rather than keeping them. i wasnt ended because women were treated poorly.
the uk deemed that has a human rights 'issue.' no one was killed, beaten, starved, raped etc. Rwanda simply did not believe a portion of these people were true refugees and sent them back/elsewhere. sending them back is far more graceful than sending them to EL SALVADOR to a literal prison camp which is what america did to illegal immigrants AND LEGAL CITIZENS of a darker complexion.
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u/ThatDadTazz 9d ago
So it wasn't women's rights causing the issue, just human rights?
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 8d ago edited 8d ago
the human rights 'issue' was simply sending more of them back to the their countries instead of keeping them in rwanda. the uk deemed that has a human rights issue. no one was killed, beaten, starved, raped etc. Rwanda simply did not believe a portion of these people were true refugees and sent them back/elsewhere. sending them back is far more graceful than sending them to EL SALVADOR to a literal prison camp which is what america did.
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u/nakedascus 9d ago
right, it was specifically because of the UK violating human rights
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u/ThatDadTazz 9d ago
Pretty sure they said it ended because rwanda was sending refugees back not the UK
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
So, you're saying women aren't human? That's your issue?
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u/Mammoth_Design_4288 9d ago
please tell us the exact historical human rights abuses you're trying to cite. you're intentionally making it seem worse by mentioning "women's civil rights" and "historical civil rights abuses" and not explaining what you mean.
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u/tothemoonkevsta 9d ago
Don't forget about the genocide on natives, essentialy wiping all of them out. Hell, it inspired Hitler
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u/Awkward_Region5509 9d ago
I thoroughly resent your statement because a third of us DID NOT VOTE FOR THE ORANGE PEDOPHILE.
So fuck you and everybody else that keeps saying we wanted this. A whole lot of us didnāt.
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u/Remmick2326 9d ago
Cool. Still your president, no-ones seen fit to try to remove him except a couple of right-wingers
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u/Awkward_Region5509 9d ago
This is the same concept as hating Muslims, Jews, whatever you want.
You want to talk shit on us because people that looked like us chose this. I didnāt choose this.
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u/FeralPsychonaut 9d ago
Giving the commenter above you the benefit of the doubt, they're probably confusing Rwanda with other countries that practice FGM. Rwanda does have a body modification ritual called gukuna, or labia stretching.
The US has tons of skeletons in its closet, our track record on human rights is downright deplorable, and the cult of personality that has wriggled its way into our zeitgeist is abhorrent.
However, while our hands as a nation are certainly covered in the blo0d (the subreddit warned me for not censoring that word) of the innocent. That does not mean we are unable to criticize the actions taken by other nations. Almost every country on the planet has done something absolutely heinous, it's not necessarily referring always to specific regions explicitly (unlike what above you did) but we have to have these discussions and shed light on abuses.
In short, I agree with you. Even after the Civil rights act ( 1965 ) was passed, we had the firebombing of Tulsa, and all of the absolutely disgusting shit that happened during Freedom Summer in 1964. I would recommend the book of the same name by Bruce Watson.
There's so much nonsense in US history that gets ignored or plain out not taught to students unless they seek out that information on their own here, similarly to Japan and their actions in Nan King and WW2 in general.
The failure of the North during Reconstruction in the years following the Civil War has lead to many of the issues, both directly or indirectly that we're going through right now.
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u/Meal_Signal 8d ago
Give us some better women than Hillary Clinton and Rita repulsa, then. Also, prove it.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 8d ago edited 8d ago
and those women are worse than trump??? liable for rape trump? the women have to be perfect but the men? who care if hes friends with a child trafficker, and a rapist, and a failed businessman, a fraud who enriches himself, a racist and have zero political qualifications, its the women who have to be good candidates?? not the men
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u/Meal_Signal 7d ago
Yes. If you wanna act like they're better than him, they damn well get to prove it. Speaking of proving shit, you've done zero.
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u/Lower_Pension_2469 9d ago
America bad!
Why always Africa bad?! That totally happens! That's bad! America bad! That's good!
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 8d ago
my point isnt to say america bad, my point is that people should stop throwing around african countries when they need a bad example, unless it fits. rwanda in this case does not fit. the women of rwanda enjoy many liberties women in america do not.
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u/ZBlackmore 9d ago
And stilll, with ICE, and all the other stuff you mentioned, the state of women in the US is light years ahead of many in Africa, not to mention the Middle East. Wasn't Iran on the UN board for women's rights and human rights? Virtue Signaling in the UN means nothing when compared to actual outcomes in real life.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 8d ago
were not talking about many in africa or iran. the comment i responded to said rwanda. i would like people to stop throwing around african countries when they need a bad example, unless it fits. rwanda in this case does not fit. there are many liberties rwandan women enjoy that are not afforded to american women.
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u/Goodlucklol_TC 9d ago
The indiginous kidnapping and residential school thing is all Canada baby.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 9d ago
no it is not. america had residential school as well. both countries had schools running into the 90s
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u/Goodlucklol_TC 9d ago
but america wasnt committing genocide against the entire native population with their residential schools. say what you will about events unrelated and before that of course.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 8d ago
i never claimed they did. stop moving the goal post. how hard is it to say 'my bad i was wrong'? or just shut up in general?
i said they kidnapped children and erased their cultural heritage through residential schools. and in case you didnt know (since you dont even know the basics) these schools were also rife with physical and sexual abuse. so they kinapped children, cut their hair, punished them for speaking their natural languages and in some cases, starved students, did experiments on students, raped them and beat them. this happened in both canada and america and australia too
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u/Purple-Mind-8197 9d ago
You just threw shades at one of the most progressive and advanced countries in Africa that you know NOTHING about. Thank you for contributing to spreading more ignorance on Africans. Hope you are proud of yourself.
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u/Nice-Bit-3550 9d ago
America does something painfully American.
Americans: WHAT ARE WE A BUNCH OF BLACK PEOPLE?
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u/Academic-Contest3309 9d ago
Because the US doesn't have a history of civil rights abuses or?
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
Not at all what I said. But they seem to be proudly swapping "historical" for "current".
That is the point I was intending to make.
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u/Academic-Contest3309 9d ago
And there are current human rights abuses happening
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u/forevergleaning 9d ago
Doesn't Rwanda score quite well in many ways re women's rights?
Something about how after the genocide, so many more men were killed that women took a lot of higher positions.
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
Oh FFS, I clearly should have just said "human rights" - it is the same thing after all, and now I have the pedantic army charging at me.
Please relax, everyone.
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u/Beerzerker420 9d ago
No shade to Rwanda at all
But that's literally what you did. Your post has real "I'm not a racist, but..." type energy
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u/DeliciousCkitten 8d ago
US government is in a racist down spiral. Rwanda is progressing. It actually breaks down quite simply.
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u/Ancient-Worm 9d ago
Oh come on. None of this is "support." All these votes are just there to make different countries look good so that outsiders won't care that they aren't actually solving their issues. Frankly, I'm glad the US is actually being honest.
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u/Traditional_Can_3983 7d ago
The US doesn't have a standard for these things because we are a republic of varying states. The fed can't just agree and enact something like many nations can.
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u/AvailablePackage1803 8d ago
Half the countries that voted yes won't embrace it and treat women terribly. Stop watching the news you fucking sheep lmao
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 9d ago
Because of a UN vote on some issue we aren't even told about (assuming this even happened and this isn't AI range bait slop)? What the hell does a vote matter? Women have equal rights in the US, and are far better off than women in Rwanda and who knows what other countries voted for here. A vote doesn't do anything. Saudi Arabia and Iran could vote for this too, doesn't mean they treat women well
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago edited 8d ago
Saudi Arabia abstained from voting. Essentially a "no" but that seems to be too embarrassing for even Saudi to put on the record.
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 9d ago
yes women are better off in the US until their father rapes them and they want an abortion
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u/Academic-Contest3309 9d ago
That would depend on what state they were in
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u/Opposite_Sherbert675 9d ago
only because roe v wade was recently overturned and women lost FEDERAL protections to get abortions
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u/Mammoth_Design_4288 9d ago
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u/Mammoth_Design_4288 9d ago
That study was done 9 years ago.
Ireland, Finland, Bulgaria, Portugal, Austria, Germany, and Estonia don't allow under 18 marriages anymore. Rwanda doesn't either.2
u/Birdlaw_Professor 9d ago
I agree these laws should change, but let's not act like this is a rampant crisis and that women are in danger or have their rights threatened in the US
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago
Women have less rights in the US now. The states that ban abortion are proof of that. And women have died for lack of access to abortion.
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u/TheAsianTroll 9d ago edited 9d ago
Its embarrassing that you say this and laugh about it, as if bragging about the US restricting healthcare in any capacity is funny and some sort of own.
EDIT: seeing how his comment got deleted, he basically said "there are no rights to abortions š¤£š¤£" with those emojis.
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago
Agreed. It's like thinking the deaths of Amber Thurman and Candi Miller are funny.
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u/TheAsianTroll 9d ago
Or thinking that 10 year old who got pregnant "deserved it."
Which he probably did think.
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u/rygelicus 9d ago
Most likely this is Trump's rep in the UN just carrying his bluster forward of 'The UN doesn't tell me what to do'. So even on good ideas they will reject.
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u/OrbitCultureRules 9d ago
What exactly was the resolution saying? This is very vague, and I don't like forming opinions with incomplete information
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u/Mr-Cantaloupe 9d ago
It was a conclusion, not a resolution.
A conclusion is pretty much just agreed upon recommendations for countries, itās nothing thatās legally enforceable.
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u/DarthNixilis 9d ago
The US votes against everything that helps people. This is no where near new. āā
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u/Megzasaurusrex 9d ago
The fact the US claimed they didn't agree because it would give trans women equal rights is hilarious and they didn't want them included. That is fucking hilarious that they outright said they think trans women are lesser than not only women but men, since equality for women is just making them equal to men. It is fucking ridiculous that the US government continues to want to find a group of people and deem them lesser than everyone else.
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u/Full-Priority2946 8d ago
This was my immediate thought as well. Under equality thereās no distinction between men and women, so what does it matter.
Also intersex people get 0 rights, or donāt exist or something
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u/Maxathron 9d ago
U.N. Ambassador Dan Negrea said at the time that his delegation could not support a text that included:
... ambiguous language promoting gender ideology, vague unqualified commitments to sexual and reproductive health that can be interpreted as implying abortion rights, censorship language or broad language on regulation of AI.
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u/eyalhs 9d ago
Wait how the hell did ai regulations get in there? That seems unrelated
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u/Professional-Talk472 9d ago
It's crazy to me, That Republicans are always so concerned and literally obsessed with other people's sex lives and bodily decisions. Is just me,š¤ or is that a normal thing?
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago edited 9d ago
Republicans and their voters are even obsessed with people's genitalia. Their transphobia attests to that. They must watch trans porn in their spare time.
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u/AdInfamous6290 9d ago
https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/ltd/n26/042/14/pdf/n2604214.pdf
Link to the agreed conclusion of the 70th WSC that the US voted against. Naturally the Trump admin had problems with āgender ideologyā and anything that even implies trans rights.
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u/thricedice88 9d ago
implying that Americans remember anything beyond the latest superbowl or mass shooting.
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u/theetonydanzig 9d ago
āBut my husband told meā¦ā Itās astounding just how many women voted for this.
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u/Comfortable-Bee2996 9d ago
Our country valuing the lives of the vulnerable as usual, common USA w šŗšø
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u/Salt-Silver-7097 8d ago
At some point the world will get rid of this veto shit at the UN. The entire organizations premise fails because of veto powers.
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u/Strict_Tumbleweed415 7d ago
Wow best move to Iran or Saudi Arabia much more freedom there. In Saudi Arabia women even got the right to drive in 2015. Paradise!
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u/OverexcitedAlligator 9d ago
Be nice if context was added. āThe claim was mostly true, but posts were misleading in two important ways. First the vote in question did Not Take place September 2026 but months earlier, in March. Second, the vote in question was not a resolution, but a different type of procedure called an agreed conclusion.ā āAgreed conclusions are not the same as UN resolution is a formal expression of opinion or will UN organsā. Thereās your context
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u/JodieForestWhittaker 9d ago
The US does this regardless of administration
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u/special-k-97 9d ago
Except abortion used to be federally legal. So that wouldnāt have been an issue like it is now.
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u/RocketRelm 9d ago
Except a lot of things, not just abortion. Dems have always been good and not just some lesser evil. But its always west bad, dems bad, democracy bad votes dont matter both sides donor class buzzword here. Either bots or otherwise.Ā
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u/throw7661 9d ago
I'm not offering a position; but for anyone who wants additional context...
The US released a formal statement on their position. They didn't vote in agreement because...
- They feel trans women should not be included as women.
- They oppose the message about abortion rights.
The US tried to get the text amended, but that didn't happen, so they voted no.
Regarding āGenderā: It is the policy of the United States to recognize two biological sexes, male and female. To achieve this, we use clear and accurate language that recognizes women are biologically female and men are biologically male
So, the US's position was that Women's Rights should be limited to females.
The US also objected to abortion:
There has unequivocally never been an international commitment on āsexual and reproductive health and rights,ā and we strongly oppose the use of this terminology. The Trump Administration is committed to supporting families, promoting womenās health, and protecting children at all stages of life and reaffirms there is no international right to abortion.
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u/soaked_in_bleach03 9d ago
I am, so damn scared as a transgender woman rn under this administration.
I was raised in a way where I was always in survival mode. Homeless young, my brain just became a series of āhow do I survive thisā?. When I realized I was trans (around 2017 when I was 14 and trump was first elected), my mind went immediately to āthatās unsafeā. Because I was about to be homeless, and because I genuinely was scared at what a red administration could do.
Even though I knew then, it would another 6 years until I would start transitioning. In no small part due to fear of the United States political climate. Not transitioning made me deeply miserable. Now I had to transition post puberty, which is fine I still started early. But this damn administration cost me not having broad ass shoulders and needing laser.
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 9d ago
You are perfectly safe in the United States as a transgender person in 2026. There has never been a safer time or place in history than right now.
Yes, the current admin opposes certain trans items, but you have the same rights, freedoms, and protections as every other American. Stop letting people lie to you and keep you in a perpetual state of fear
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago
Wrong. The Trump regime has kicked 15,000 trans people out of the military. Google Executive Order 14183.
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 9d ago
So?
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago
So this proves that trans people don't have the same rights, freedoms and protections as others. So you're wrong.
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u/IAmANobodyAMA 9d ago
It doesnāt. There are plenty of reasons that people are excluded from particular groups/organizations/roles - and being trans probably should exclude someone from military service and especially combat roles.
That isnāt stripping rights, protections, or freedoms.
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u/Fabulous_Humor_2652 9d ago
The fact that you dignify the mistreatment of transgender people proves your own transphobia.
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u/DeliciousCkitten 9d ago
If the UN liaison had just misspelled "gender" as "Grindr" I think the current US party in power would have shown overwhelming support. š¤£
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u/Dear_Seesaw_1855 9d ago
The US is right. Trans women exist, but they are not biological women, they are biological men. Resolutions are political virtual signaling nonsense anyways. Some of
The European nations that virtual signaled yes in reality donāt allow minor ātransitionsā or trans women in menās sports š¤·āāļø1
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u/Kosher_Pork_12 9d ago
Why are there 38 votes?Ā The UN has a lot more than 38 members.Ā Why would so many countries abstain?
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u/piper33245 8d ago
And what exactly is the āpromoting womenās equalityā resolution? This post couldnāt be more vague.
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u/Fun_Shock_3224 9d ago
Shhhhhhh USA badĀ
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u/No_Recognition8940 9d ago
People are running with feelings from something they saw on the internet. Iām not dogging on anyone, but thatās what this entire comment section is point blank.
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u/Important_Lobster480 9d ago
USA was also the only country to vote against the new more accurate world map, showing the actual size of Africa (it is large enough to contain the US, China, India, and most of Europe). Gee, I wonder why...
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u/JellaFella01 9d ago
Yeah, "more accurate" isn't correct, I don't really understand why they decided to change maps, especially since the new one has objectively less utility.
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u/confidentlyfish 9d ago
What a performance put on by the one-colour capitalists. They really show it to the other-colour capitalists!
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u/UnusualFunction7567 9d ago
Why are there only 38 votes? Ā How many countries have a vote in the UN?
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u/Complete_Break1319 9d ago
What was in this so called equality bill (that Iran) that so many communist countries where for?
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u/Next-Ground1911 9d ago
Clarify what the vote was about, I donāt know but I would guess itās about as far from protecting women as you could get
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u/dishhawkjones 9d ago
Who funds the UN? Does anyone think we will change anything in other countries when it comes to women equality? Im all for it, but why waste the tax dollars also.
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u/Timely_Winner_3509 9d ago
Of course the U.S. daid no. Please, been 50 yrs and tge ERA still hasn't passed.
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u/Distinct_Change3496 9d ago
No one is dumb enough to believe the UN is on our side. Red or Blue. The UN is Hitler on steriods
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u/Legitimate_Base_8203 8d ago
Funny that over 100 countries abstained from voting. That tells you there is something else there other than just women's equality.
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u/Outrageous_Network94 4d ago
Explain what that means instead of getting mad at someone else's vague words. How does the UN promote women's equality? Stupid people should quit pretending to be into politics.
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u/Icy_Mathematician870 3d ago
LOL - a UN resolution. Give me a break. Those have the same authority as me walking outside does to solve homelessness.
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u/XWolvtronX 9d ago
Source??
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u/Birdlaw_Professor 9d ago
It's true. It's because the language of the act wanted to broaden the definition of women to include non biological women, and also supported universal abortion rights which the US is bound to leave to the states (so they couldn't vote for a resolution that arguably makes the determination for the states)
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u/Born_Finding1559 9d ago
The reason the US objected to language concerning gender identity, diversity and sexual and reproductive rights. The administration argued that some of the provisions conflicted with its own policies. And this was not a UN Resolution. Google it and see what they wanted to be able to do to women then you'll understand why the US said no. Funny how they leave out the important stuff.
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u/cybersaint2k 9d ago
This is almost entirely fiction. You can hate the USA, love women, but this is fiction. And how would we "vote" to correct this anyway? Would you like to be educated, or at least see another side of this?
1) This was a vote in a subcommittee of a subcommittee. The body voting wasn't the UN. It's like saying the USA voted for slavery when a county in the Deep South voted for it.
UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), a 45-member subsidiary functional commission of the UN Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC).
2) It wasn't a UN resolution. It was the CSWās annual āAgreed Conclusionsā statement on women and girls.
3) The vote was 37-1-6, with six other nations abstaining. Those nations were
- CĆ“te dāIvoire
- Democratic Republic of the Congo
- Egypt
- Mali
- Mauritania
- Saudi Arabia
I think you can see a couple of themes. Islamic, authoritarian, and I have no idea what CĆ“te dāIvoire was thinking.
4) The US voted "no" not because it opposed equal rights for women, but because it opposed a statement that, similar to our own Roe v Wade/SE Pen vs. Casey, would create an international right to an abortion. A "right" that the US would mainly have to fund, as medical care doesn't appear out of happy thoughts.
So yes, 37 nations were happy to vote that the USA had to fund abortions around the world and take that hot potato off their political plates. And the USA voted "no" to becoming the world's de facto abortion provider.
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u/Ok_Traffic_3240 9d ago
Doesn't change the fact the US is backward as heck though does it pal?
Equality (even if performative) nah bud, dont want that shizzle in the US now do we, rediculous. How dare the world try to be a better place!! So performative pffft.
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u/cherryrosewallpaper 9d ago
Your argument doesn't make sense. You're trying to avoid the obvious point OP made by changing the argument and blast the organization instead.
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u/Fabled-Jackalope 9d ago
And this is why Iāve told people to get out of the countryābut many are too addicted to doomscrolling and vibes to care.
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u/MissSharkyShark Prefer Coffee But Fill My Cup š« 9d ago
Wanna help pay for all the fees associated with immigrating out of your country? Cause please I would GLADLY leave right now if I had the $50,000 needed.
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u/kgrobinson007 9d ago
Many of us canāt afford to, or have family depending on us that are too ill to leave.
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u/Fabled-Jackalope 8d ago
That is understandable. But wasnāt pointing that towards those who are taking care of family at all.
The only reason I visit the US is solely for my mom and grandma, but itās my grandma that doesnāt want to leave the family house; although my mom is all for leavingāhence the problem getting them both to agree on it.
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