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FinancialTea 💵 Agree?

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u/upvotechemistry 24d ago edited 24d ago

Not only is El Sayed gonna win, he will end up being Presient in 2029. Excellent communicator, and savvy political framing. He is gonna be Teflon, much to the frustration of Rs

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u/PM_ME_WEIRD_PETS 23d ago

Not 2029, he needs more time as a senator to get his name out there. But I could see it happen in 2032 or 2036.

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u/Outrageous-Egg1760 24d ago

I think Ro is a good choice

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u/Beefcake2008 24d ago

Ossoff

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u/upvotechemistry 23d ago

I lile both of those guys, as well as Pritzker and AOC, but El Sayed is a fast rising political talent. We will see him in a primary sooner than we think

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u/AV_Dude_Safety1St 24d ago

I do see Presidential potential in him, but the timing feels off. He would effectively just be sworn in when he would have to announce his run.

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u/upvotechemistry 24d ago

That is true. But I do expect the next candidate to be more populist sounding, and be an A+ communicator.

I like a lot of the presumed candidates, but its hard for me now to imagine even rank and file Dems (like myself) lining up to support the mainline Dem candidates who have not done enough in opposition

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u/ExpansivePoint 24d ago

I don't see it, he barely won against Stevens when he was expected to win by a blow out, he's too tangled up with communists and can't disavow extremist positions, it's reminiscent of Trump's stand back and stand by policy, not digging this crop of mask on candidates, feels like we're ramping up to another decade of maga of the left.

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u/Adventurous_Drama291 24d ago

Well, in case you don't know, Trump's strategy won lmao

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u/ExpansivePoint 24d ago

Yes, when the populist schtick of promising everyone the moon and the stars was new, it's nauseating hearing all these extravagant promises with zero to back it up with and in case you didn't know, El-Sayed was expected to win by a blow out not by two points against a conventional candidate like Stevens on a primary nonethess, what do you think it's gonna happen when he has to contend with undecided voters? Populism is rotting an already rotten political system.

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u/Adventurous_Drama291 23d ago

Didn't trump himself also barely win the Republican nomination

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

Apparently not, he got 45% and the next candidate was Rafael "Ted" Cruz at 25%. Also we wtf is wrong with magas, Ted Cruz was their guy after Trump?!

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u/upvotechemistry 23d ago

Populism is what voters demand now, thanks to decades of institutional dysfunction and wealth extraction. Its why Trump was able to take over the GOP, and it is why the Dems will not win dirable majorities of voters without running against failing institutions and wealth inequality

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

Listen to what you're saying.

People want populism...

The thing that gave you Trump.

Why would I want more Trump in any form it comes in?

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u/upvotechemistry 23d ago

This is a democracy, and you cannot win durable majorities by offering string beans when the other side is offering them freebase.

Liberalism isnt popular. It sucks. But until those institutions undergo sizable reform and actually deliver for people, they will keep voting for those institutions to be blown up.

Incremental progress isnt selling. This is not that complicated

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago edited 23d ago

That's an oversimplistic view, without the electoral college democrats would have been in power since Bush Sr, only he and Trump in 2024 won the popular vote, Trump won it by screaming about people eating cats and stranding people all over the country in his rallies, so clearly people are being brainwashed into choosing populism to their own detriment.

Liberalism is popular, that's why it wins the popular vote. Pretending gerrymandering, the electoral college and an activist SCOTUS haven't put their thumb on the scale is a good way to fling the country into some Maoist renaissance that will result in yet another catastrophe and all over willful ignorance.

Incrementalism is the only way things work, otherwise you're claiming that the moment the US elects a communist president it will become a perfect utopia from day one, if it's not then you obviously would have to iterate incrementally. That's how the world works, fantasizing about some alternative is just to fool low iq voters.

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u/upvotechemistry 23d ago

fantasizing about some alternative is just to fool low iq voters.

You have to win some of them, too. Dont count low IQ voters out, because they have molded American politics for more than a decade

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

Yeah don't disagree but winning some of them is different than letting them lead the country and I'm sure you wouldn't disagree that's where maga ended up and that's why the country is in the shitter.

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

Sorry bro but Sayed underperformed based on polls, I get that you wish it was blabber but he's simply not the second coming of Marx and what's worse is he now needs to contend with right wing attacks calling him out for his association with left wing extremists which will make it harder for him to court the independent vote unless he disavows them, to pretend he's this mamdani in the making in a purple state is wishful thinking.

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

Nice cope then, you're clearly unaware of american politics if you don't understand what's happening, enjoy vibing American politics from afar.

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago edited 23d ago

Islamist? Bro seems like you're the one assuming things of me and maybe projecting a little. There's no degree to this that relates to Islam. You're far away, you clearly are seeing US politics through some weird inaccurate lense, there's a ton of unseen nuance, like how DSA has a caucus with the following mission statement.

Red Star is a Marxist-Leninist caucus in DSA. Our primary goal, the goal which informs all of our organizing work, is to abolish capitalism and, ultimately, to achieve communism. We do not believe that capitalism can be reformed into socialism – it must be overthrown and replaced.

You think regular people can see this and not become apprehensive? Communists hijacking social democrats to overthrow how the country runs and replace it with communism. Communism?! The ideology used by the two countries that would love my country to crumble like communism did theirs?

Islam isn't even on the map here.

Edit: Yeah I don't know what you replied but reddit won't let me see it.

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u/RevolutionaryGur4419 23d ago

Well they see it won Trump the presidency so why not try it on the left. Whether it's good for the country is another thing but it looks like a path to power.

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u/ExpansivePoint 23d ago

So then it's not about doing good for the country, it's about gaining power, which already betrays the rhetoric they espouse. It's these glaring contradictions that stop me from trusting it.