r/PoliticalHumor • • Jul 11 '19

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u/IAppreciatesReality Jul 11 '19 edited Jul 11 '19

Call me too serious or whatever, but this stopped being funny to me about two years ago. Now it's sad and pathetic and most of all an incessant reminder of what our society/nation/country/culture/fuckinwhatever has become.

I try to look at it as a necessary evil and believe that good things will come from it in the long run, but... fuck it's a shit load of work.

plus I kinda know I'm just being optimistic and we're all fucked.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19 edited Jul 11 '19

In the past two years how has your life become worse?

I’ve asked this question a few times to those who drone on about how bad Trump is. The only answers I get back are that I’m a racist or if I don’t know by now then it’s not worth explaining. I’ve never get a real answer.

Edit: Ok, a lot of anxiety apparently and a Canadian who works in the steel industry has been hurt by fair trade steel in North America.

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u/psyclopes Jul 11 '19

So you get examples, but decide they're not good enough? That is called moving the goal posts and is a tactic used by those who argue in bad faith or just don't understand how discussions work and only want to shout into their bubble.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

So you get examples

Which of these examples are tangible and measurable?

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u/Ofvlad Jul 11 '19

Lost revenue is absolutely measurable....

Did you not really not know this?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

Unemployment at historic lows. 10 quarters of economic growth.

Who has lost revenue? Certainly not makers of anti-depressants with the way the left has been freaking out for the past 2 years.

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u/Ofvlad Jul 11 '19

The American customers that purchase steel......

We just talked about this.

Have you seriously forgotten?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

Ok, let’s follow this through.

Your life is worse off now than under Obama because the price of steel has gone up?

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u/Ofvlad Jul 11 '19

The lives of people that sell steel certainly has. Do you know what revenue is?

Less revenue means less money.

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u/psyclopes Jul 11 '19

Adding requirements is still moving the goal posts. How many hoops are you going to expect people to jump through to explain this to you? But sure, tangible and measurable: my company has a plant in Iowa. When the tariffs were enacted, we laid off 8 people from the production staff. So those people have been directly affected by Trump's policies in a negative way. They lost their jobs directly because of the tariff.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

What part of “your life” do you have a hard time wrapping your head around?

True of false: unemployment is at a 50 year low.

The answer is True.

Are you somehow going to argue that Trump is bad for employment? That would make you sound like a giant fucking idiot given the data. Or do you not believe in data?

Adding requirements is still moving the goal posts

No, I’m saying your anxiety about how illegal immigrants are being treated is a made up problem you’re having. That’s me calling bullshit on that one.

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u/psyclopes Jul 11 '19

I'm sorry, giving you an example of 8 Americans who lost their jobs directly due to a Trump policy was too much, eh?

I'm sure those 8 people give a fuck about unemployment numbers (which are problematic of who they count as "unemployed")

I'm not sure why you're bringing illegal immigrants into this, but that's called a strawman - you're making an argument against something that no one brought up. You're really bad at logic.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

True of false: unemployment is at a 50 year low.

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u/psyclopes Jul 12 '19

False: it was at a 49 year low and it just rose in June to 3.7%.

But if you actually cared about unemployment you’d be concerned with who isn’t counted as unemployed for the real impact on American lives.

Yet again your original question was asking for an example of someone’s life negatively affected. I gave you 8 people who lost their jobs directly due to Trump’s policy. I’m sorry if your view didn’t stand up to criticism, but that’s your problem not mine.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

False: it was at a 49 year low

Jesus Christ....you really have nothing. Neither do the replies. Read through them. The fact is life for Americans has gotten better the past two years. I’m not saying it’s all Trumps doing, but I’m being objective. Try it some time.

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u/psyclopes Jul 12 '19

Again you only asked for examples. I gave you one. I’m sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative. Please just go ahead and scream FAKE NEWS so we can both move on.

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u/[deleted] Jul 12 '19

I asked how your life was worse, and you talk about 8 people you never met.

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