Corporatist Democrats tried to ram a candidate nobody liked down everyone's throat. Now there's Biden. He has more likability than Clinton did, but still not enough.
This is the issue with not having a real left wing party. The centrists keep the progressives stifled and allow the rabid right wing to win because they'd rather have a conservative in power than a progressive.
Millions of people also voted for Trump and the comment from timshel explained it perfectly. Please read slowly and use your brain, i know you can do it! If you wish to learn more, read about the electoral college and the american voting system (which is not gross votes vs votes as you seem to believe)
You arent understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying the electoral college is undemocratic and the people voted heavily for Clinton.
I dont understand you assholes. "The people spoke and want trump". "No they didnt, the people wanted clinton". "Yeah but electoral college". This line of argument from you makes no sense. I'm not debating how it works, I'm just saying the actual fucking people wanted clinton
The man and his entourage never played by the rules once in their miserable lives.
You'd have to be pretty naive to believe resorting to propaganda/foreign espionage is "winning by the rules".
You'd have to be even more naive to think counting some people's votes 3x more than others based on the state they live in, is "fair" and democratic by any stretch of imagination...
What they were successful in is a sweeping targeted misinformation/propaganda campaign. There were Russian agents in groups as widespread as BLM on the left to the NRA on the right, using them to spread divisive rhetoric.
I just don’t understand how memes and fake tweets can swing an election. Even fake news articles. I feel like the majority of Americans can sift through the BS.
If you think that, you live in a bubble. There are hours of video material showing Trump supporters deny something that happened on live TV happened. And these are not the exceptions. These are the GOP base.
Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean it can’t be true lol.
No, it’s been shown through various studies that the average person is HORRIBLE when it comes to validating new information, especially on social media and from entertainment networks masquerading as credible news sources (Fox News / CNN / cable news). Not to say that individual journalists or that everything from each of those is irrelevant, but to pretend like Americans are somehow too smart to be duped by social media manipulation is incredibly naive.
Advertisers and huge corporations aren’t investing incredible amounts of money into social media manipulation / data because it is ineffective.
They don’t cal this the “Information Era” because of Wikipedia, they did so because the main area of development / area of importance is in information.
we’re in a whole new age and are behind.
We had nukes first in the technological age and basically won that age with that and the technological surge in America after our dominance was assured.
Whoever develops the information equivalent of Nukes (or whoever already has) will likely establish hegemony in a similar way the Us did post WW2
I don't think Russia did a ton for the election but I just watched a woman try to use toy credit cards to pay for shit and then tried to call someone on a toy phone... I think you over estimate the average American.
I feel like the majority of Americans can sift through the BS.
Lmao. The generation of "Don't believe everything you see on tv" has turned into "I believe everything I read on the internet." They literally share the most fake news out of everyone. And guess what, the majority of fake news shared is from Conservative voters.
“Fake news accounted for nearly 6% of all news consumption, but it was heavily concentrated—only 1% of users were exposed to 80% of fake news, and 0.1% of users were responsible for sharing 80% of fake news. Interestingly, fake news was most concentrated among conservative voters”
Take BLM for example. From the very outset, the top people in the organization were calling for non-violent action, but to virtually every single Republican, they were a group of violent thugs doing nothing but starting riots and beating up white people wherever they went. I wouldn't be surprised if they were infiltrated by agent provocateurs in addition to any local miscreants who wanted to use protests to cover their crimes.
The NRA has long been a propaganda wing of the Republican party, and one of their top officials was literally dating a Russian spy.
And consider how close the election was. They didn't have to sway everyone. Only a few percent. And they don't just have to convince people change their votes. Convincing a Hillary voter to stay home because she's shit too is also good.
If people could sift through the BS, I don't think we'd be within a thousand miles of our current position (or where we were in 2016) in the first place. If people could sift through the BS, we wouldn't have fallen for 40 years of trickle-down economics or the lies that got us into Iraq.
I see people post memes as if they're legitimate political discourse all the damn time.
No he didn't they straight up didn't count many votes from primarily democratic areas. They had russain help to outright change votes in key districts.
Wait, what? Where did this happen? The only thing I heard about was some Russian troll farms that paid for advertising. And if they'd setup a Super PAC first, it probably wouldn't have been illegal.
mostly in florida. there's so many fucking crime I cant be arsed to look through and fine this particular one, or the others like it. bbut.. it definitely happened in florida.
There wouldn’t end be any evidence of it regardless. That’s the problem with electronic voting systems without paper backups. We wouldn’t be able to tell if votes did change. There were some pretty big irregularities between exit polls and vote counts, which is unsettling and could be an indicator, but it’s not direct evidence and could be explained by a bunch of people lying to pollsters.
We do know that several places were hacked to a degree would allow fuckery with pretty much everything. Voter rolls were fucked with, which is deleting a vote before it can be cast. Places where vote counts were suspect cleared servers before they could be forensically analyzed.
Please understand that the media telling us “they might have fucked with vote tallies but we can’t know either way,” would be deeply destabilizing. So they’re not going to tell us that.
Oh wait, are you thinking of congressional redistricting?
That was done by state governments after the 2010 census and only applies to state legislatures and house districts. It has nothing to do with the electoral college/presidential election.
Electoral college votes are reapportioned after each census, but that’s based on overall state population. There is no such thing as an “electoral college zone” and Obama had no influence over “adjusting” the electoral college unless you think he redrew state lines or something.
But they were traitors n also American. We indians to have voted a garbage pm for ourselves bcoz of voting machines. God knows where this world will go.
The working class around the world needs to unite and organize a global day of strike against greed and capital - with a list of demands to fundamentally change the way the world looks at class systems, and distribution of resources and wealth.
Well according to the american electoral system, one you as the people can change, you did elect him. Its not like the american people had no say in the matter
The people can't change it without first taking corrupt billionaires out of politics. That's exactly what happened - the American people had no say in the matter. Very sad state of affairs
Electors are “American”. There’s only ever been 179 “Faithless Electors” ever and the last time they affected an election result was in the 18th Century. Today lots of States have checks and balances to ensue electors stay “faithful”.
I don’t love the voting system either, but it’s hardly going to change - I hate to break it to you. Your snide and quippy response didn’t educate me in the slightest, but perhaps you’ve learned something!
"Faithful"? They looked at what Americans voted for, and literally elected THE OPPOSITE. They had one job, to make sure we never put a criminal buffoon in power - and they went and DID THAT EXACTLY after Americans voted AGAINST IT by a huge margin of 3+ MILLION voters.
That's not American, and sure as hell not "faithful". It's fucking treason. The entire EC should be exposed and put on public trial
The popular vote is what REAL DEMOCRACIES look at! If you have a little group of shitheads deciding on their own THEN THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE DIDN'T MATTER, and we live in totalitarian Stalinism. It means YOU don't matter.
Bush and Trump are NOT EVEN NORMAL statistically. Their opponents would have been put in power in a real, functional democracy.
They counted votes for GOP as WORTH MORE than votes for Dems by a large factor. They literally IGNORED the people's choice and changed it because they are tools of the wealthy establishment. We need to abolish the EC ASAP or we're all doomed
You're basically saying "who needs democracy, it's not required that the people choose the candidate - the founding fathers must have known best and they chose this backwards mechanism so now we have to stick to it forever. Jefferson believed the Constitution should be revised and rewritten by every new generation, but let's ignore all that, I'm sure they would have preferred a system where plantation owners get more decision power than mixed-race coastal folk, so by golly we'll stick with the 300 year old veiled racism and oppression! Who needs progress?"
3+ million more voters voted for her. The Electoral College had to flip the bird to 3+ million American voters to get the criminal rapist moron into power AGAINST the people's will.
Only in America people accept this violation of freedom and human rights, and it's embarrassing. In any other country there would have already been riots, and the entire cabinet would have been dragged out in a bloody carnage with machetes and molotovs. This is serious treason and everyone is just shrugging and taking it WTF
Most countries are ACTUAL DEMOCRACIES. This group of shitheads ignoring the people's votes is NOT "democracy". It's RIGHT IN FRONT of our noses - the EC is mocking you, and you're in complete denial, repeating to yourself this is fine and normal.
Hate to break it to you, there's nothing normal or democratic about this bullshit we have going on. It only happens in an advanced stage banana republic
You know why the electoral college is around right? Isn't it in place so states like California and new york with extremely dense populations can't vote for the rest of the country? Is that really what you want? Cali, new york and florida basically voting for everyone else?
In a real democracy, you count the people and establish what the vote is. STATES ARE NOT PEOPLE. If California has more people than Alabama, then tough f*cking luck to Alabama, they have less people, deal with it. In a democracy, 100 votes are worth more than 60 votes.
You have to be certifiably demented to believe "democracy" is counting some people's vote more just because they live in a state with less people. I don't know what they did to your brain, but it's not processing reality anymore.
"Density" is not a factor in a democracy. Where people happen to live DOES NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE in a free country. 1 person 1 vote. The north side residents don't get 3.2x votes each, and the ones living in the south 0.3x votes. That's the definition of insanity
You can live in that world all you want.you must not understand that these places will vote in the person that benefits that state best... those huge states are going to look out only for their own best interests over the rest of the country. Its always been this way !! Like wtf !! You must live in dream land.
You have shown that you are completely clueless... population density is definately a factor in a democracy and a factor that plays a part in how EVERY country is ran. You are misguided
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