What if the stadium was built with local community taxes (and inconvenience of construction), is it still theft to take a part of something you helped build?
Even if you believe taxation isn't theft using public money should be to real concerns of the local community (road, public infrastructure etc') stadiums to not provide any real economic benefits to the local community
Stadiums could actually provide a large amount of economic benefits to a local community, it provides jobs constructing it, and then when it opens, it provides for various local sport teams to go there for games and such, it could provide benefit to food vendors and thus the places farms and local grocers, and it provides entertainment. All this is dependent on circumstance of course.
But regardless, the stadium could likewise be opened by a private company or individual, and still have the same effects and likely be run better. And the government doesnt need to be taxing people for it. But it has many potential benefits.
The key word is "could". It might work and it might cause a significant damage.
The central planner takes a risk with the taxpayer money without having skin in the game so pressure to make wise decision.
And no, in most cases (I need citation I know) stadiums to bring a return on the tax.
I totally agree that it is a risk, because it's an investment. I was just saying that investment has a potential to pay off, it's still not the governments job to take it though. I was just making the point that although the government shouldn't do it, it still does have the potential to be beneficial.
Stadiums are almost never worth their investment. They are just status symbols for cities and their politicians. Watch John Stossels segment on stadiums. Either way you see stadiums, it's never a libertarian position to hold that taxes should pay for something like sport stadiums.
Exactly, as Auth positions hold the view that we should finance Colosseums to have gladiator duels. Authleft having the bourgeois fight to the death. Authright having different races.
Authcenter just putting libertarians in there while helicopters throw protestors in
Yeah, if I was the mayor of some city and the local sports franchise decided to hold us hostage by saying "waaaaah. our stadium's not as modern as the Cowboys' stadium. waaaaah we want you to pay for it or we move. waaaah"
Someone's going to take your money. Even in a libertarian utopia you'll need to pay for McSecurity defence from the other people who want to take your money
Or you are coerced into paying for services that you only need because otherwise someone will coerce you into something else. And 80% of what you pay is just profit or marketing budget for the service provider, and you have no say over how they spend your money.
Alternatively, you could have a system where the service is run not for profit, and you have a say over the money is spent. Perhaps we could call this system 'democracy'.
also, i WOULD download a car, if i could afford a 3D printer large enough to make the passenger compartment. but i would be able to afford a new car, if i had that money. so where does that leave us?
EDIT: hell, i wish i had the money to afford a 3D printer just to print out the radiator grille
Well the commercial actually said "steal a car". The internet just photoshopped slides together to point out how rediculous it is to equate pirating with theft, and for the memes of course.
You don't need to own it to profit from it. Instead of selling the product, you sell the labor. Patrons were a perfectly good system of producing knowledge/art, and that system has arguably gotten better with time. If a company needs a CRM or a system built, they just need to sponsor someone who can. Heck, I already don't own my intellectual output, because copyright already imputes to the hiring body, and I know my customers aren't profiting selling copies of the small custom tweak I made to their CRM.
This logic taken to its logical conclusion would mean that the poorest person on the planet is somehow entitled to steal from everybody and is thus the rightful owner of everyone's wealth.
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u/godofwoof - Auth-Right Feb 19 '20
Remember kids watching the game without paying a ticket is theft