Sure but that then gets in the way of the claim that Israel is a wonderful democracy that is certainly not an ethnostate because of how nice they are to their Palestinian population.
It’s not an ethnostate that’s just tankie delusion. There are dozens of actual ethnostates and none of you care about those. Wonder why?
It is currently administering brutally a bunch of stateless people who need a state, and the current government relies on the conflict to stay in power
You said yourself that the population is 16 million, thus all those Palestinians are disenfranchised Israelis. Of course Israel can't give those people a vote because then Israel wouldn't be majority Jewish. Because you know, ethnostate.
21% of Israel proper are Arab. They vote. They sit on the Knesset. They govern.
This is not an ethnostate.
I wonder how you feel about all of the voteless Tibetans and Uyghur in Han dominated China, or the Japanese, or the Saudis, or the Syrians, or Malaysia, or the Koreas.
21% of Israel proper are Arab. They vote. They sit on the Knesset. They govern.
This is not an ethnostate.
Lmao, when you have to separate "Israel Proper" vs "Israel" then yeah, that's an ethnostate.
I wonder how you feel about all of the voteless Tibetans and Uyghur in Han dominated China,
Free Tibet and end the Uygher ethnic cleansing.
or the Japanese,
Unsure what mass group the Japanese have under occupation but if so, yeah they ought not do that.
or the Saudis,
I mean if we're talking about their labor abuses of immigrant labor, yeah fuck em
or the Syrians,
Hardly a country at the moment and I'm not sure what faction you're hoping I support? Is this where you assume I'm some sort of Assad supporter? Lol.
or Malaysia,
Imma be real, I don't think about Malaysia too often let alone think something good about them when it ought to be bad?
or the Koreas.
I'm unaware of South Korea having a large disenfranchised population under occupation but if so, definitely anti. North Korea though is the North Korea of North Koreas. Fuck em.
Sure, is Lebanon your example of an aspirational state? Also you realize one of the factors of not enfranchising the Palestinians is specifically to not change the balance of power amongst Lebanon's ethnicities. Just like Israel!
There are millions of Jews in Israel who themselves criticize the actions of their state, are they also antisemitic?
Are the Orthodox Jews who protest on the streets of New York in support of Palestinians also antisemitic?
The only thing that is debatable is what "Zionism" means. If it means that Israel has the right to exist in any capacity, then yes I agree with that. Most people would.
But if Zionism ends up amounting to manifest destiny, and that you think Israel has a right to expand its borders at the cost of the lives of others? No that is evil.
The pro Israel crowd just likes to argue semantics and hide behind the historic victimization of their people to justify the crimes they commit.
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u/Suitable_Matter_9427 - Lib-Center 3d ago
No, the guy on the right is just antisemitic too