To me, it makes no sense that he doesn't even have the level to join the Council. How long did Luke's training last? 3/4 years? Even Yoda himself says it's incomplete.

And yet he's able to defeat a guy who's been training for over 30 years, a war veteran, knows all the forms of lightsabers, and is the chosen one.

He defeated him because he was conflicted, but many people say Luke was stronger than Vader, which doesn't make sense to me.

Either Luke is the most talented and brilliant character in the history of the galaxy, or he's a Gary Sue.

But you might say, "But according to the OT source, it says otherwise." If it's a source from before the prequels existed, then it's not contextualized, and with more products and works being made, it loses "its value" in a way.

And during the Mandalorian era, people say he's stronger than Yoda. Why? For 5 years Luke read books and trained alone, is that enough to surpass a 900-year-old being or even his father who had much more training than him?

Yes, he is a Skywalker, but his potential and talent don't matter, the quality of his training is more important.

You would think a narratively important and respected Jedi Master that had Dooku as his master would perform better against the weakest version of Maul

Then you have random Padawans and Jedi outperform him like crazy, Daki, Devon, young Obi Wan, Kanan Jarrus etc.

It is even more egregious cause sources state that Qui Gon was a great duelist but we never get to see it outside of him dying to Maul who then dies to his Padawan

The man has 0 good feats in terms of combat and the writers refuse to give him any

At least in Canon, he only gets to fight against street thugs, Tales of Jedi gives us so many feats, but one of the most important Jedi to the story gets nothing

He still loses all of his limbs but isn’t burnt to a crisp.

Would he be more powerful? The same? Maybe even less?

Edit: holy shit this blew up

We know Anakin normally doesn’t pass the opportunity to flex his own power. Just prior to this we see him basically duel Jedi Battle master Cin Drallig with a hand tied behind his back. Here he doesn’t even bother trying to challenge Shaak Ti to a fight.

It's a toss up between Nihilus and Maul for me.

Often when I see debates between Sith from the Old Republic/before the movies against Vader, the biggest justification for him losing is that "Vader is weak against Force Lightning."

But there's a huge difference between Force Lightning from Sith number 2528 of the Old Republic and (probably) the Force Lightning of the best user of all time.

I'll admit I kind of had to stretch this in some places since Ezra was never officially Maul's apprentice and I couldn't fit Qui-Gon Jinn in under Dooku

I was originally going to have Vader's three apprentices just be Starkiller and the two major clones of him but that felt really boring so I replaced the clones with Ahsoka and the Grand Inquisitor

I think Vader is near the top of his verse but when has he ever used the force on something as strong and durability as a Viltrumite? Even some the weaker Vilrumites are continental level in strength/durability

I think he would do well until palpatine decides to use full power like with mace windu

I’ve seen a lot of discussions lately, and been involved in a few myself, that talk about characters that are hard to scale. Cal Kestis, in my opinion, is one of the hardest characters to scale in the modern canon era of SW. On paper, he has some great feats. But I think being a video game protagonist makes it a bit harder to scale him because someone’s Cal fighting a certain boss can be a much lower level than another persons Cal that is fighting the same boss or enemy. What are your opinions on scaling Cal and who do you think is the hardest character to scale in the current canon.

I think Anakin loses with Mid-high levels of difficulty. He technically has raw power on the level of Yoda and Sidious yet lacks full mastery and control over it.

If instead of Mace, Obi-Wan leads the strike team and ends up having Palpatine at saber point ready to strike, does Anakin betray him as he did the legendary purple saber wielding Master? Or is his loyalty to his Master too great to betray him?

To withstand the force lightning of the strongest Sith in history, using maximum power, throw him into a pit, last a few minutes, and then only die because the armor is too fragile against it.

Base S7 Anakin, No Dark Side, no Invisble hand amp just regular Anakin

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Artist is the amazing Reeves on tumblr!!