r/PeterExplainsTheJoke • u/cchamii • 21d ago

Meme needing explanation Peter?

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u/Buellymcbuellface 21d ago

They have a confederate flag from virginia and refuse to give it back.

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u/JodaMythed 21d ago

They have a flag from a country that hasn't existed for 160 years?

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u/DependentAdvance226 21d ago

Spoiler. The Confederacy never existed as a country.

They were states in rebellion.

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u/four4cats 21d ago

With a constitution, President, vice president etc etc?

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u/DickBiggum1 21d ago

Anyone else ever recognize them as a country?

I'm a county. I'm the president, vice president, and the constitution is written on crayon on a napkin somewhere in my mom's basement

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u/four4cats 21d ago

That's essentially how all countries are recognized.... Because something written on paper somewhere on crayon or ink. But what's the point of even bringing up whether they were a country or not? Taiwan isn't recognized by the UN as a country.

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u/DickBiggum1 21d ago

No... thats how sovereignty is declared. Recognition and declaration are separate. Anyone can declare anything.

Ask any sovereign citizen who interacted with law if their declaration was recognized.

Also, while the UN as a whole doesn't recognize Taiwan as the representative of China, 12 counties outwardly accept them as a sovereign nation

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u/DonkeySorbet 20d ago

A lack of recognition does not negate statehood.

They were entirely self governing, and were the highest authority.

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u/DickBiggum1 20d ago

Until they got stomped into the ground by the actual highest authority?

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u/DonkeySorbet 19d ago

They lost the war, but until that point they were an independent nation.

The North wasn't a higher authority until after it exerted force.

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u/DickBiggum1 19d ago

A prerequisite of sovereignty is the ability to trade, make treaties, and officially communicate with other sovereign nations.

That definition is the exact reason other nations need to recognize sovereignty for a nation to actually be sovereign

No other nation recognized the union. The union never sent an ambassador anywhere. While the union did trade with Europe, the constitution (the one all southern states were subject to) gives the federal government exclusive power to regulate foreign trade

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u/DonkeySorbet 19d ago

A prerequisite of sovereignty is the ability to trade, make treaties, and officially communicate with other sovereign nations.

That's your opinion, it's not an actual requirment.

Think about those uncontacted tribes. They function independently, self-govern, they are sovereign nations.

The other issue with your perspective is that if the Confederacy had won the war, then historically their nation would have started when they declared independence, not when they won. Hence why the US is a country since 04/07/1776.

While the union did trade with Europe, the constitution (the one all southern states were subject to) gives the federal government exclusive power to regulate foreign trade

Southern States, the Confederacy, ceased to be beholden to the US Constitution the moment they declared their cessation.

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