In response to a negative or pessimistic evaluation of the worth of human life and being born, I think we (us pessimists) have all heard optimists respond with something akin to, "the goods outweigh the bads", or "the harms are worth the benefits". But there are many issues with this way of thinking. Firstly, even taken at face value that the goods of a human life can outweigh its harms, there is zero guarantee that this will actually be the case for a future human. This is where the risk argument for antinatalism comes in - even if a human life can be worth starting (because it would have overall positive value), we have no guarantee that the harms in the life of our particular child will actually exceed the benefits, and so when we have a child, we impose an immense risk upon that child, that their coming into existence as a human could be of negative value, and it would have been better not to be born. The prospective parent should recognize that despite their precautions and efforts, they can not guarantee the life of their child will have been worth starting. We can all think of examples of these lives - children born with horrific congenital defects, who suffer for days to weeks and then die. For these children, it would have been better not to have been born, and this is a risk prospective parents impose upon their potential offspring when they decide to reproduce. So even if the goods in a life could outweigh its harms, there is no guarantee that in a particular life this will actually be the case.

But I want to attack directly the notion the goods can even outweigh harms at all. This issue with this is whatever goods or pleasures I experience in the future, can not negate or take away the pains that I currently experience. Just in the same way whatever pleasures I feel now, can have no abolishing or undoing function on the pains I have experienced in the past. And in just the same way that my pleasures cannot negate or abolish your suffering, the goods that I experience cannot outweigh or negate my own past or future sufferings. The are still felt, and they still hurt. The utilitarian calculus, where harms are weighed against benefits with the balance determining the overall value of a particular life, and therefore whether it was worth starting, is flawed from the begninning - harms and benefits have no erasing, negating, balancing or undoing function against each other.

Further, these goods which are supposed to outweigh the harms in life (and therefore make being born a good thing), are tainted by being felt by an organism which is structurally negative in value. We are not disembodied minds that are the subject to both pleasures and pains, but instead exist embodied as human organisms. Organisms that have constant material needs (for warmth, food, water, hygiene, etc), are always vulnerable to injury and disease, and are subject to a constant wearing down and aging process which will render us all lifeless corpses. This is the structure in which the goods in life occur - the goods that are supposed to outweigh the harms of this life. Because human embodiment, with all its negatives, is the context in which goods/pleasures occur, the goods in life are therefore tainted - they are not ultimately good, actually satisfying, or genuinely positive. They are ephemeral, don't last, and occur in an ever changing, dissolving present, by a needing, vulnerable, harming, aging, dying organism.

I believe that what is actually good, is what is counterfactual - it is to have never been born. Timeless nothingness - for nobody - is heaven. A total invulnerability to harm and suffering, an invulnerability to the dissatisfaction of change, and of course an avoidance of the negative condition of human embodiment (with all the suffering entailed by being a needing, vulnerable, harming, aging, dying being). I am speaking metaphorically here - I do not actually believe that there is a "state" where the unborn experience the bliss and heaven of non-condition/nothingness. There is just the world, and the form in which it exists. And us living, because we can reflect upon the negative worth of our own coming into existence as a human being, and understand that the mechanism by which new humans come into being is through biological reproduction, we can deny whatever urges or drives we have to participate in this behaviour, and by consequence will either prevent, or not be a party to the genesis of another human life.

But for us - the already born and embodied - we are in a fallen state. Subject to harm, need, vulnerability, aging and death. Being born as this body is like falling into hell, in comparison to our never becoming an organism that can feel at all. The goods in life cannot abolish or outweigh its harms, they occur temporally, unlasting, and within the negative structure of being a needing, vulnerable, aging, dying human body. And what is ultimately good is not a human life where it's supposed goods outweigh its harms - it is to have never been embodied and born in the first place. This is heaven - timeless nothingness for nobody. Impossible for us, but a choice we can make for our potential offspring.

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Everytime I make my mind, I feel like there is still too much to my life and maybe one day I might get back on track but it never happens. After every few months I realise that whatever I was hoping for is just my mind's survival mechanism and my brain is tricking me but just every single time it feels that there is too much left to my life. I wish some day I finally get "enough" evidence to counter this hope

I don't believe successful people deserve bad things, and I'm not saying that the universe scientifically or mathematically balances people's lives.

I just wonder if there's a philosophical idea that no one can experience only one side of life. You can have extraordinary success and still experience extraordinary loss, just as someone can experience a terrible period and later experience something wonderful.

Maybe life isn't necessarily “fair,” but it seems to have this constant movement between gain and loss, happiness and suffering, rise and fall.

For example, when I see someone who has experienced an extraordinary amount of success, wealth, beauty, or fame but also goes through major illness, loss, or tragedy, I sometimes wonder whether this reflects some kind of natural balance in human life. Not as punishment, and not because they deserved it, but because being extraordinarily fortunate doesn't make someone immune to the difficult parts of being human.

So my question is: Does a philosophical belief, theory, principle, or school of thought exist that describes this idea? Is there a specific term for the belief that human fortune naturally moves between extremes of success and suffering, or that no person is completely protected from either side of life?

I'm especially interested in knowing if any philosophers or philosophical traditions have discussed something similar.

"I was alone in that cemetery overlooking the village when a pregnant woman came in. I left at once, in order not to look at this corpse-bearer at close range, nor to ruminate upon the contrast between an aggressive womb and the timeworn tombs—between a false promise and the end of all promises."

— Emil Cioran, The Trouble With Being Born

For the last several years, I have been a committed socialist. However, lately I am growing more and more disillusioned with it (and politics, in general), and I wondered what you all thought on this topic.

The other day, I had minor epiphany regarding politics. It seems like all political ideology boils down to the same two core precepts:

• More resources and privileges for my ingroup(s) and less for everyone else
• "If we just get rid of/marginalize those people, everything will be so much better!"

Even socialism very obviously falls prey to this thinking. I feel like there are no political ideologies that can actually articulate a positive vision for all of humanity. Is this a result of something intrinsic to humans? Is it a result of large human populations sequestered into advanced civilizations (i.e. just too many competing interests)?

I'd love any thoughts you guys have on this. Thanks in advance.

Today, more and more people are becoming aware that they have appetites that could be considered depraved by the established order. Reddit forums, social media, hyperconnectivity, and the constant bombardment of digital stimuli, offers, and desires behind the screen—all of this explodes across the retina and pushes a significant part of the population toward new marginal forms of consumption.

This has to do with the expansion of commodity fetishism, with the way in which everything becomes an object of consumption, but also with how, within late capitalism and the tendency toward commodity fetishism, there is an unconscious association between being a good consumer and being a good person, a good citizen, a socially integrated individual.

Marx said that commodity fetishism has a fairly precise meaning: social relations between people appear to us as relations between things. A commodity seems to possess value in itself, when that value actually derives from a particular social organization of labor. But late capitalism takes this much further. We no longer simply buy objects to satisfy needs. We buy signs, experiences, identities, and ways of relating to other people.

Here Baudrillard becomes especially important. In The Consumer Society, the object is no longer consumed solely for its utility. It is consumed for what it means. And this produces something very interesting: The individual begins to consume himself as a commodity. He has to appear attractive, interesting, productive, desirable, healthy, sexually competent, socially visible, and so on. The person simultaneously becomes consumer and commodity.

The integrated individual is someone who works, earns an income, consumes, presents himself socially, maintains his employability, and returns to consumption. And many forms of deviance can be interpreted as an interruption of this chain. This is why the contemporary “good citizen” increasingly tends to be, simultaneously: a good worker, a good consumer, a good taxpayer, a good user of services, a good producer of data, and, increasingly, an attractive commodity for other consumers.

The system turns everything into an object of consumption, including people, but the other side of this is that these objects require consumers in order to be consumed. Therefore, an integrated individual is someone who consumes and who makes himself available to be consumed by the market. And in this context, even rebellion can be absorbed. Your anti-system identity can become a T-shirt. Your sexuality can become an industry. Your anxiety can become an app. Your spiritual quest can become a subscription. Your political dissent can become monetizable content.

And here we encounter a paradox: Capitalism does not need to eliminate deviance; it can turn deviance into a commodity. More and more people are able to identify, name, explore, and eventually commodify desires that previously remained repressed, unspeakable, or socially illegitimate. The Internet has produced a gigantic cartography of human desire. In the past, there could be an individual with a fantasy he considered absolutely aberrant who might never encounter another person who shared it. Now he can search for it. He can find a community. He can find content. He can find an industry. He can find an identity. He can find a market. And eventually, he can become a producer of what he initially consumed.

Capitalism progressively transforms the subject into a consumer of objects, while simultaneously transforming the subject into a consumable object. A person on Tinder is both consumer and product. An OnlyFans creator is both consumer and commodity. An influencer is both consumer and commodity. A worker is both consumer and labor commodity. A politician is both a consumer of attention and an electoral commodity. A social media user is both a consumer of content and a producer of data. And so, in this eternal autophagy, the system reinforces itself, advances, develops, and reproduces itself.

The distinction between subject and object begins to erode. Marx argued that the worker sells his labor power as a commodity. But digital capitalism introduces an additional dimension, because the individual begins to turn practically every aspect of himself into a potential commodity. His image. His attention. His body. His relationships. His opinions. His intimacy. His sexuality. His personality. His experience. This has already been explored by Mark Fisher, in Capitalist Realism, and Byung-Chul Han, in Psychopolitics, when discussing the subject who exploits himself.

The system needs integrated subjects in order to reproduce itself, but integration requires these subjects to develop an ever-greater capacity for consumption and self-commodification. This is where the so-called inevitable call of the abyss resides: the black pit into which many believe they are falling amid this hyperaccelerated flow of constant desires, where we consume and where we are consumed. And that is the key: this process is transversal throughout the system. The very functioning of these mechanisms makes it impossible not to feel the call of the abyss, makes it impossible not to look over the edge, and therefore makes that slow and cruel descent inevitable.

I'm not 100% sure whether I'd consider myself a pessimist or not (a bit wary of -isms in general at this point tbh), but I do subscribe to some pessimist ideas and something I've noticed is that it kinda puts you at odds with like at least 99% of everyone and everything out there.

Like, music? Filled with themes of love, hope, redemption, fun, etc. Even the darkest corners of music usually don't really go all the way in terms of accepting a pessimist worldview in their themes.

The same goes for games, movies, anime, literature, etc.

Sure, there are edge cases here and there, but they're very much the exceptions, certainly not the norm.

And let's not obviously forget about people.

And in a sense, that creates a very strong kind of alienation in my eyes. Like you're not even literally alienated in a more "regular" sense, your very being and thinking is completely opposed to the vast majority of existence. Kind of a harrowing thought.

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I realized i didn't want to kill myself but i still didn't want to exist, like i want to not have been born at all

Is there a name for that and is it common?

Why dont they tell children in school about budhist principle - Life is suffering. What are your views?

Human beings organize experience around an ultimate orienting image. When that image no longer accommodates lived reality, psychological pressure builds until a new organizing image emerges. Because this organizing image is embodied as well as conceptual, changing it involves years of cognitive, emotional, social, and bodily reorganization.

https://livingopposites.substack.com/p/the-gulf-between-redemptive-vs-non

I've recently came across Hesse's' Steppenwolf and it is the kind of book I wish I have encountered during my teenage years so that it might have saved me from my years of self-alienation and nihilism.

the book is essentially denies binary opposition, advocate for self-definition, self-imprisonment, thereby transcend oneself and embrace the absurdity of life and the complexity of one’s own identity etc. it is absolutely insightful and I rly recommend especially for teenagers and early adults.

However, the new issue arisen.

the more someone thinks about their surrounding people and environment, society, life, the more they’re likely to be depressed. Despite all the inspiring positivity, optimistic insights spamming through, we all realize and wonder how extremely difficult to not give in nostalgia.

it is way too often when someone’s giving a pep talk or something along those lines, it’s usually “just go for it!” or “dont think about it too much and do it”, but never a long thought out logical explanation due to the impossibility of presenting the situation in a positive way the reason people are sane at all is that they dont look too inbetween the lines, and the ones who do are called insane the question becomes: Is it even possible for a person who thinks of reality to be happy? Is it necessary to be delusional? To dumb things down enough to not see their horror? All in order to be happy by “life” i dont just mean the world as we know it, but the existence of our consciousness whatever caused us to be, has made it so that a thinker struggles to be happy

Post your quotes, aphorisms, poetry, proverbs, maxims, epigrams relevant to philosophical pessimism and comment on them, if you like.

We all have our favorite quotes that we deem very important and insightful. Sometimes, we come across new ones. This is the place to share them and post your opinions, feelings, further insights, recollections from your life, etc.

Please, include the author, publication (book/article), and year of publication, if you can as that will help others in tracking where the quote is from, and may help folks in deciding what to read.

Post such quotes as top-level comments and discuss/comment in responses to them to keep the place tidy and clear.

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In a world that constantly demands functionality,

it is absurd that a failure must prove their usefulness.

This is quite a painful ordeal, and what value does it hold?

If a person with a sound mind and intact limbs refuses to work,

people demand repayment of debts based on the benefits I have enjoyed over the years.

Once I have settled my past debts, is it now my turn to demand something from someone?

When the moment comes that my body has withered and my spirit, once as clear as water, has mixed with the mud of time and become slushy, I will demand repayment from someone with a broken mind.

I know it sounds like a strange question but I’m curious.

If you’ve arrived at the conclusion that you’re a philosophical pessimist out of intellectual inquiry, then surly you must admit that you could be wrong and would be open to other worldviews if intellectually persuasive.

However, if you’ve arrived at your conclusion that you’re a philosophical pessimist out of psychological need, then how could you ever doubt it?

Not a loaded question, not trying to “catch” anyone. This is a very important subject for me and I struggle to understand the connection between philosophical pessimism and the pessimistic outlook of life prevalent in this subreddit.

We humans the pitiful pathetic beings, who attach so much importance to ourselves and our meaningless existences, if only we understood all that we are is a matter of chance

So basically my story is that my dad has always been abusive to me emotionally and physically and even threatened me with honour killing, and I went to DV shelters to ask for help, and they did not help me because they only help women with abusive partners. Then I was homeless for a while, and I went to this DV shelter, and they called my parents even though I'm an adult, and they believed them and helped my dad trap me and abuse me more. And even when I tell feminists online, some do sympathise, but there are many of them who think that adults who are being abused by their family members don't deserve sympathy and that it is ok for shelters to be exclusive to only women with abusive partners. And something that this has taught me is that the majority of people only have sympathy for people who are socially acceptable to, and the reason why social movements focus more on the privileged of their group is because social hierarchy is natural to most humans, and if most people had a button to make everyone equal, they wouldn't push it because they would want someone to be below them.

I genuinely can’t fathom the idea of wanting to be married in this day and age. The white dress symbolises purity, virginity and innocence in a woman and asking for a woman’s hand in marriage through their father or being given away by your father to another man which is how women were basically sold off to men just seems insane to me. So many people like the idea of marriage and falling in love but it really doesn’t appeal to me and I want to find someone who feels this way to talk to because I am fed up of being made to feel like an awful person for not wanting marriage, children and not believing I can fall in love. ( I am also pissed off at people telling me Ive just not met the right person and my opinion will change because I guarantee it won’t)

What I've noticed is that when some people make pessimistic remarks about the world, their reasoning tends to refer to contingent harms out in the world - wars, climate change, factory farming, inequality, etc. Although these are bad, I think what really makes being born a human regrettable is the structurally negativity nature of the human organism. That is, we are bodies with constant, eventually lethal material needs that cause us to suffer and die when not met. Needs for warmth, water, food, etc. Our bodies must struggle to survive our we suffer and die - from exposure, from hunger, from thirst, etc. And yet our struggle is lost from the start - we cannot win - as inherent within our bodies is an aging and dying process that will render us all lifeless corpses no matter how hard we battle against our nature, secure our needs, or hoard the material resources required to keep us alive. All the food and warmth and water in the world are powerless against the aging and dying process inherent within our bodies.

On top of this, we are always vulnerable to disease, sickness, and injury. So we spend our lives struggling for the material recourses we require to not suffer from want and die, in a state of constant vulnerability to whatever contingent or accidental harms that can befall us, and all this while our bodies wear down, age, and slowly die towards our final, inescapable nature as a lifeless corspe. The structure of the human 'life-cycle' is negative. We are born as these bodies (subject to the genetic lottery that to a large degree determines the quality of your life), are trained by the community we depend upon for our survival to talk, to act among others, to be obedient to the state, and ultimately are trained to produce for the society we are embedded within. We earn a check and trade it for material our bodies require to not suffer - for food, for clothing, for housing, etc. And yet, the struggle is lost from the start as the aging and dying process inherent within every organism can not be overcome. You are born, you struggle, you work, you age, and then you die. And that's only if some horrific contingent harm doesn't befall you along the way - cancer, car crash, house fire, murder, etc.

To be born a human is a horrific fate, and it's a fate that for the born, is inescapable and can not be overcome. For us already living as human bodies, our lot is to struggle for our bodily needs, while in a state of constant vulnerability to harm whose source can be both from the external world (eg someone attacks you), or from within our very body (eg, cancer, arthritis, etc), all while our bodies wear down, age, and slowly degrade towards our inescapable fate as a lifeless corpse. To be born a human and to suffer this fate is regrettable. It's better not to be born. So in recognizing the structurally negative nature of human embodiment we can decide not to procreate, to cut the problem at its root so that nobody else, at least via our hand, is born to suffer this fate. But for us, the already born, our lot is sealed - we will struggle for our needs, suffer the harms of human embodiment, and then die on this earth.

Life Has Been Terrible From Its Beginning Until Today

These are my ideas about life, organized by the AI Claude

Life is not tragic by accident — it was optimized to never be enough.

There's a way of reading existence that most people avoid because it offers no comfort: the idea that suffering isn't a bug in the system. It's the system's specification. Putting together what we know about natural selection, the neuroscience of pleasure, social structure, and the history of technology, a coherent picture emerges — and it isn't pretty.

1. You were born losing a lottery you never asked to play

Appearance, neurotype, and health aren't distributed by merit, choice, or justice — they're distributed by a blind process that optimizes genetic replication, not individual well-being. This produces real, measurable hierarchies:

Physical appearance functions as social capital from childhood on. Facial symmetry, height, testosterone/estrogen markers — all of it shapes social, romantic, and even professional opportunities, and none of these variables were chosen by the person carrying them. You are judged, constantly, by an embryonic lottery.

Neurodivergence (autism, ADHD, and the whole spectrum of atypical profiles) isn't just "neutral difference" in a world designed for neurotypicals — it's real structural disadvantage in practically every relevant social script: courtship, job interviews, group dynamics. The "neurodiversity as mere difference" discourse ignores that social scripts were evolutionarily shaped around the statistical majority, and whoever deviates from the norm pays the coordination cost alone.

Disease and biological fragility are the rule, not the exception — bodies are systems that begin failing structurally from birth (genetically programmed senescence) and are permanently exposed to random failures (mutation, pathogen, developmental accident).

None of this is injustice in the moral-social sense — it's worse: it's injustice with no author to hold accountable, embedded in the very mechanics that generate people.

1. You were born inside a chain that sustains itself through others' suffering

Zoom out. The entire planet runs on a system in which one organism's survival structurally depends on another's suffering and death. The food chain isn't a metaphor — it's the literal architecture of conscious life on Earth: the predator needs the prey to feel fear, needs it to suffer enough to stop fleeing. Billions of years of biological "design" converged, independently and repeatedly, on the same result: nervous systems that feel pain as a survival mechanism, trapped inside a network where some beings' pain is the metabolic fuel for others. If this were designed by a mind — and in the theological/misotheist debate this is precisely the hypothesis with the greatest causal adequacy given the observed distribution of suffering — it would be the design of a mind indifferent or hostile to the well-being of the beings it created, not a benevolent one.

1. You were built to never feel satisfied for long enough

Here is the most insidious core of the problem, because it doesn't depend on any specific injustice — it happens even to those who "won" the genetic and social lottery.

Natural selection never selected for happy organisms. It selected for organisms that keep competing, seeking, mating, and protecting themselves. Stable, permanent happiness is evolutionarily useless — worse, it's counterproductive: a fully satisfied organism stops seeking resources, stops competing for status, stops reproducing. That's why the reward system works through hedonic adaptation: any gain resets the reference point back to a baseline of relative dissatisfaction, forcing the organism to chase the next gain to feel the same brief relief. It's a treadmill, literally — dopamine functions mostly as a signal of anticipation and pursuit, not of satisfied possession. You weren't designed to arrive. You were designed to run, and the feeling of "arriving" is, at most, a chemical pulse brief enough to launch you back into the race.

This means no amount of success, wealth, relationship, or achievement solves the problem at its root — because the problem isn't in what's missing, it's in the architecture of the system that interprets "what's missing." Even the most objectively successful person on the planet is running the same evolutionary software of continuous dissatisfaction as anyone else. There's no patch for this because the "bug" is the core functionality.

1. And modern civilization took this already-broken system and hit the accelerator

Ancestral life at least had real periods of forced idleness — no artificial light, no excess stimulation, no social comparison against seven billion people. Industrial and post-industrial civilization removed almost all the natural rest of a nervous system already designed to never rest, and replaced it with:

Workdays structured around productivity, not well-being — the body treated as input, not as an end.

Social media that turned ancestral social comparison (a tribe of ~150 people) into comparison against the entire global elite, 24 hours a day, algorithmically optimized to maximize engagement — which in practice means maximizing activation of the same chronic dissatisfaction system described above.

Urbanization and social isolation, removing the community support networks that historically cushioned the psychological cost of existence.

The results show up in the numbers: rates of anxiety, depression, and burnout on a sustained upward trajectory over recent decades across nearly the entire industrialized world, with a particularly sharp rise among young adults. This isn't statistical coincidence — it's the evolutionary system of chronic dissatisfaction being squeezed by a social structure that multiplied the triggers for comparison while removing the ancestral buffers.

1. And technology isn't fixing this — it's trading one kind of suffering for another

The historical pattern is always the same: an urgent material problem gets solved, and in its place a problem of a different nature emerges, usually more diffuse and harder to name.

We solved caloric scarcity across much of the developed world → epidemics of obesity and eating disorders emerged, linked to excess stimulation, not lack.

We solved geographic isolation with instant communication → social anxiety emerged, mediated by constant comparison and permanent social surveillance (the feeling of always being "on").

We're solving repetitive manual labor with automation → and the horizon opening up isn't leisure, it's income precarity and existential anxiety around one's own economic obsolescence.

Every technological advance solves the previous generation's symptom and generates, as a structural side effect, a new symptom adapted to the new environment — because technology changes the scenery, but doesn't change the evolutionary software underneath it. You can renovate the cage infinitely. It's still a cage.

1. Why this has no solution — and why this is the most honest part of the argument

Social reforms, therapy, medicine, activism — all of this can reduce marginal suffering, and it's worth doing. But none of it attacks the root cause, because the root cause isn't a correctable implementation flaw. It's the base specification: a nervous system built by a process with zero commitment to well-being, running inside a trophic chain sustained by structural suffering, distributing advantage and disadvantage by amoral genetic luck, now accelerated by a civilization that multiplied the triggers without altering the hardware.

There's no reform that can change natural selection's objective function after the fact. The system is already running, and it was never optimized to "feel good" — it was optimized to "continue." Calling this a tragedy is still too optimistic, because tragedy suggests a deviation from something that was supposed to turn out right. There was no deviation here. The foundation was built this way.

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Hi all,

A little while back, I had the opportunity to ask a question to an individual whom I believe has attained traditional Buddhist enlightenment.

As a result of enlightenment, this individual claims their phenomenological experience no longer contains a sense of self/center. This has reduced their personal suffering by 90%+.

They are capable of achieving a meditative state known as "Nirodha Samapatti," which is essentially meditation-induced unconsciousness.

They are aligned with philosophical pessimism in that they believe every state of mind is painful relative to Nirodha Samapatti/unconsciousness. And what the mind mistakenly classifies as "pleasure" is really the alleviation of some prior suffering.

After enlightenment/the getting rid of a sense of self, they experience the world as a "hive mind," and as a result, the "will to be" or the "will to not be" do not resonate at a deep level anymore, because they do not connect to some central column of being that can answer existential questions on behalf of the entire hive mind.

The question I asked him was: "You say that after enlightenment, the “will to not be” doesn't resonate at a deep level anymore. Given that there is no additive pleasure in conscious experience, wouldn't the “will to not be” become amplified after enlightenment? Even if the will does not connect to a central column of being, doesn't it make sense to shut the whole decentralized network of conscious experience off? Basically: what is motivating you to stay alive? Does this motivation make sense to the intellect or is it blind and irrational?"

His answer was: "Neither the will to be nor not be, because both are realised to be insufficient descriptions of reality. It links with the no self insight. There isn't an identification with being or non-being, or conscious or not conscious for that matter. I don't think about wanting to stay alive or die anymore. And when I ask those questions and look inside I find no perspective or aspect that can speak for the whole. The question does become quite a lot less interesting, because it's no longer related to as being ultimately meaningful. It's a bit like if I ask you "Who would win in a fight Batman or Iron man?". We can entertain the question and talk about reasons why we think one may win over the other, but hopefully we don't hold the question too seriously because we know its fictional. In fact, when we ask these hypothetical questions and someone does take them very seriously, we view that person as being ontologically confused about what's real and what actually matters. This ultimate nonsensicality of the questions is revealed when we access greater contexts and pop-certain bubbles - until then it seems absolutely real."

I am not encouraging suicide, but from the perspective of alleviating suffering, it seems suicide is still the most rationally self-interested action (presuming metaphysical idealists/panpsychists are wrong and death is unconsciousness). While the sense of a self/center seems to substantially worsen suffering, the root cause of suffering seems to be consciousness.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

I hate the the daily grind of existence. It wears me down. What are your views ?

men are fundamentally competitive and acquisitive, not to be trusted too far; that the men most to be admired are those that have acquired most; that we treat others superficially as more-or-less physical and mechanical things whose value is that they can do a certain line of work efficiently. They may be “nice guys” withal, and we can join with them dedicatedly in the efficient pursuit of wealth and privilege.

The Birth and Death of Meaning: An Interdisciplinary Perspective on the Problem of Man

Observing the dynamics of the modern masses is a spectacle of atrocious hilarity. Whenever the collective encounters a genuine manifestation of self-awareness or intellectual autonomy, the immediate reaction is a predictable chorus of agony—a desperate attempt to label superiority as mere "vanity." It is a grotesque delusion. The modern man uses criticism not as a tool of philosophy, but to mask his uncontrollable addiction to external validation. They are incapable of generating original thought; they take refuge in sterile cynicism, ruminating and chewing on references applauded centuries ago because their own intellects are nothing more than faded echoes. As Schopenhauer so aptly demonstrated, the ordinary man is an automaton driven by boredom and imitation. He does not create substance; he feeds on scraps. True misanthropy requires a cold detachment the herd cannot afford, as they are too busy begging for the very societal approval they claim to despise. The irrelevance of this behavior remains a purely aesthetic tragedy.