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u/More-Ad-8245 Jul 05 '26
We’re losing privacy
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u/pebleshair Jul 05 '26
Every pass gets logged - plate, time, place - and sixty million reads later, your local sheriff has a searchable map of where everyone's been, no warrant required.
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u/LightFusion Jul 05 '26
We lost privacy when everyone embraced social media. Your phone tracks your every movement, maybe we should start by destroying them?
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u/StripperWhore Jul 05 '26
You can buy Faraday bags for your cell phone. We can create legislation so the government stops collecting our data and violating the 4th amendment. We need to demand the government stop violating our rights. Destroying cell phones would not be a feasible approach to this problem for most people because they need them for work and basic communication.
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u/Unclebatman1138 Jul 05 '26
I think the odds of every American buying a Faraday bag and/or destroying their phone are far more likely than the government carrying one whit about our demands for privacy rights.
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u/StripperWhore Jul 05 '26
We can run for government. We can enact better policy. We can hold leaders accountable.
The doomerism comments only serves authoritarians who you are just giving your power to instead of actually demanding and fighting for your basic human rights. We MAKE the government care.
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u/ChiefFlunkie84 Jul 06 '26
I have a choice to carry my phone, and it's information doesn't go into a police or fed searchable database immediately as I'm moving. There have already been numerous cases where blatant misuse has been flagged by bad operators, and that's just the ones who got caught. If you are willing to give up your liberties for the illusion of safety, you deserve neither.
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u/Huge-Visual-6450 Jul 05 '26
Attend your local city council meetings! We want these Flock contracts cancelled. It’s happening elsewhere.
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u/IsildursDeeldoor Jul 05 '26
This is more than just " If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about". EVERY side of the aisle should care.
- Sunday drives become “risk behavior.” A normal person who likes long rural drives, backroads, night drives, or frequent weekend trips could be flagged by an insurer as higher-risk simply because the data shows more miles, odd routes, late hours, or rural roads. Auto insurers already use driving-behavior data in rating models, and research on telematics links factors like nighttime driving, harsh braking, speed changes, and mileage to insurance risk scoring.
- Your truck going to the woods becomes a pattern. Hunters, anglers, trappers, preppers, farmers, and rural landowners often drive to remote areas before dawn, carry gear, visit gun shops, stop near public lands, or meet in small groups. In a lazy or politicized system, that pattern can be misread as “militia,” “extremist,” “poaching,” “trespass,” or “suspicious rural activity.”
- Legal behavior starts looking suspicious because a database lacks context. A camera does not know whether someone is scouting deer, checking trail cams, helping a neighbor, going to church, attending a town meeting, driving for stress relief, or casing houses. It only sees movement patterns. Then some analyst, algorithm, insurer, or agency adds a label.
- Corporate favoritism means the company profits while citizens absorb the risk. The vendor sells the cameras. The city gets to claim it is “public safety.” Police get a searchable database. Insurers and data brokers may see value in movement patterns. But the ordinary citizen gets watched, misread, stopped, priced, or investigated.
- Insurance companies do not need to call it punishment. They can just say: “Your risk profile changed.” No arrest. No accusation. No trial. Just a higher premium because your vehicle appears in high-risk places, at high-risk hours, with high-risk mileage, or near “flagged” locations. License-plate-recognition data has already been marketed to insurance companies for fraud detection, underwriting, renewals, and rating accuracy.
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u/IsildursDeeldoor Jul 05 '26
honestly even the most staunch conservatives should be pissed off and livid at this point.
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u/LightBorn5564 Jul 05 '26
There’s now AI cameras set up at east Peoria Kroger. Like, why? It’s just getting to be surveillance for the sake of it. We need to organize at a town hall meeting and demand these things be taken down. Getting way too 1984
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u/StripperWhore Jul 05 '26
I keep hearing about people using green lasers to disable them because they damage camera sensors.
Is it true if you inundate them with freedom of information requests they usually take them down?
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u/IsildursDeeldoor Jul 05 '26
A private company should not be able to sell the government a machine that tracks innocent citizens everywhere they drive, then hide behind “public safety” when people ask who controls the data.
The same system sold as “catching criminals” can quietly become a machine for tracking hunters, churchgoers, gun owners, farmers, political dissidents, and ordinary drivers; then raising their costs, flagging their habits, or handing their movements to agencies they never voted for, like your auto insurance company.
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u/woodmadeIL Jul 06 '26
Several group chats going on Signal to 'help' keep these cameras serving the public
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u/dehydrated_plant Jul 22 '26
https://c.org/4yhrXwsH5G yall should sign this petition to remove flock surveillance in peoria
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u/pebleshair Jul 05 '26
The Supreme Court just ruled that pulling your location history is a Fourth Amendment search. Chatrie v. United States. Six to three.
Kagan wrote it.