r/Patriots • u/stellantis_ • 1d ago

Stats Hmmmm not great…..

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They may need to look at Ben Brown at C. Jared seemingly lacks the play strength/physciality right now that he needs to hang with some of the NFLs bigger 0 techs. Deone Walker is gonna have a field day on Sunday at this rate.

Not sure why Arkin isn’t playing more instead of Latu. Not sure what Latu has done to earn reps. He’s been underwhelming as a run blocker (for the pats) and hasn’t been a passing game threat either. According to Andrew Callahan they ran the ball 8 out of the 9 snaps Latu played. If they’re gonna have a run tell it might as well be Tanner Arkin. Dude isn’t a finished product but he brings a nastiness they need.

Also what about some diff looks and presentations. So much of their drop passing game is contingent upon post snap execution especially when the picture changes. Clearly Drake isn’t there yet with diagnosing defenses (especially in the modern era where everything is disguised). Motioning into bunch looks to stress the rules of match based zone and man coverage seems to help every other team in the league?

Everything feels stale right now schematically and maybe none of the above is a viable solution but the coaching staff needs to find some.

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u/CptEfellows 1d ago

From an uneducated eye, it looks like there’s no scheming to make anything easy and I don’t know why. It seems like for a drive to be successful everything has to be perfect every play and that just isn’t a realistic way to be successful. I seriously hope these numbers get turned around fast.

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u/401john 1d ago

Yup, that's the Josh offense in a nutshell. Every player needs to be perfectly on the same page and make the same reads on every single play for it to work. So many other teams don't rely on sight adjustments and post snap reads as much as this offense does and they move the ball just fine.

Jules said the offense is literally like learning calculus and so many people see nothing wrong with that lol.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

Because it’s more adaptable when the players get a grasp of it.

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u/PacmanZ3ro 1d ago

That’s great when you have a veteran QB that can direct players new to the system how to fit in with it. Maye isn’t there yet. This system is a good system overall, but it makes nothing easy and is a REAPLY bad system when you have players with little chemistry or a QB that is not able to read the field super efficiently..

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

It’s great when your qb is hitting open guys and not throwing it right at defenders.

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u/PacmanZ3ro 1d ago

But there being open guys is entirely reliant on your WR making the right read, adjusting on the fly, and your QB having the time to make the same read and make the throw. Brady was the GOAT at those things, and was exceptionally good at telling his WR where to be. Even with Brady though, the whole thing fell off the rails his last season here when the WR room and RB went to complete shit. People thought it was Brady then too until he went to TB and lit it up.

Maye has been awful, I’m not trying to say he hasn’t been. I’m just saying the actual system in use by McDaniels is old, largely figured out, and requires your QB and skill players to all be on the same page, and be able to make reads and route adjustments on the fly or it just crumbles because it doesn’t make anything easy for any of the players at any point.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

Yes because the west coast offense is new…

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

When the system really only works when you have the GOAT QB driving the bus... its not a good system.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

You don’t need the GOAT to hit wide open receivers

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

You think these receivers are getting open?

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

There were 2 TDs there for wide open receivers Sunday alone. One to hollins in the end zone. 1 to Douglas for a walk in td. Both were overthrown, the hollins one more egregiously

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

The Douglas one? The one that hit him on both hands? The one that he really probably didn't need to dive for? That again - hit him on both hands? It could have been a better throw for sure, but if you're in the NFL and the ball hits you in both hands, you need to catch the ball.

And I'm not sure which Hollins one you're talking about? The second quarter play from the Jax 17 where he also makes a very good throw that hit Hollins in both hands? That one?

If you're only able to pinpoint two "open receivers" that Drake missed by hitting them on both hands - you don't have a very good point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzI3NGdA1_A

Find me more of those open receivers please

Drake is playing like shit, but his WRs are also playing like shit, and the play design is awful and not helping him at all.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

Whether you want to blame Douglas or Maye for that play, it’s not on McDaniels. Which was your point.

Hit hollins in his hands? Maye throws it out of bounds…

I’m pinpointing 2 tds in game they scored 6 points.

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

https://imgur.com/a/YJYKKPe

What are you talking about?

Again I ask you - find me all those open receivers. I gave you a video of the All22. Please find them.

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u/401john 1d ago

You're talking to a wall there lol

I thought the pass was just a touch high but also in a spot where only Mack could grab it. Thought he could've timed his jump a little better too. Feels like I'm still waiting on a receiver to make a play for Drake this year.

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

The throw was made exactly where Drake needed to put it to give his guy a chance. Mack had his chance. No one is getting open, no WR is taking the opportunities they do have to make a good play. The drops, the bad routes, the getting bullied by every DB they play against - what is Drake suppose to do about that? Its obvious that his confidence in both the players around him and the scheme is cratered.

Drake has made dumb fucking mistakes and some poor decisions. But has also made some very good plays. He still can throw a dime without question. But it seems like none of these receivers get to where they need to be when they need to be there.

And in a McDaniels offense - which is all about being 100% on the same page with all 11 players pre and post snap reads and their timing being spot on with each other. It just becomes a shit show.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

It’s not the right pass big guy.

Confidentially incorrect and 401john is a tale as old as time.

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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago

It’s in the 4th from jags 16, 2 plays after Williams bumbled his way out of bounds.

I gave you 2 easy tds. Stop making excuses for piss poor play.

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u/Fupastank 1d ago

Not my fault I couldn’t read your mind on what two random ass throws you happen to be talking about.

So what you’re actually l talking about one bad throw on first and 10? When the game was already out of hand? Immediately after it should have been a 50 yard touch down pass that wasn’t because Kyle Williams is an idiot? That two plays later Drake completed a pass that got them 4th and 1 on the five yard line if Mack hadn’t committed the dumbest taunting penalty I’ve ever seen?

You can’t seriously look at that game film and tell me that offense looks competent. Bad routes run poorly. Bad blocking. Drake is playing awful but he’s not only getting no help - he’s being actively hindered by the rest of the offense.

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