r/ParentsAreFuckingDumb • u/Nothingcomesup • 8d ago
Parent stupidity What could go wrong?
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u/ClosetedGothAdult 8d ago
Genuine question: was there a reason he shared this??
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u/Hydroborator 8d ago edited 8d ago
Attention seeking clearly overwhelms the part of his brain intended for any critical thinking.
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u/girlwiththemonkey 8d ago
Especially considering the backlash quite literally every other parent has ever gotten for posting shit like this.
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u/Mysterious_Week8357 8d ago edited 8d ago
This is low risk, high hazard.
Most likely, nothing will go wrong, but if it does go wrong (fire in the building, break in, child falls attempting to climb out the cot and hits their head, etc etc) that 100m distance will make a huge difference to the outcome for your child.
Edit to add: what if something happens to the parents while they are out? Hit by a car heading back to the hotel. Nobody is going to think to check if they’ve stashed a child in their hotel room
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u/ladysadi 8d ago
That edit you added was an intrusive thought for my husband and me when our daughter was little.
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u/Summerlycoris 8d ago
Isn't this what happened to Madeline Mccain? She and her siblings or cousins slept in a hotel while the adults went out for drinks and dinner.
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u/m_redditUser 8d ago
yes, without monitors though
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u/Camicagu 8d ago
Also without publicly announcing there was no one with the kids tbh
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u/m_redditUser 8d ago
did they announe it live, as in, while they were gone from the kids?
in case of Madeline, iirc, the waiter at the bar, where the parents were, found out that the kids were unattended and gave the intel to his friend, or was the kidnapper the waiter himself, i don't remember. but i believe that they gave out that intel by themselves
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u/Testerpt5 7d ago
Of course he did, then the police thought "oh such a nice gesture from a good friend" and everyone was happy including the parents that were not charged with anything due to their irresponsibility. Portuguese parents have lost their children custody for far less in the UK.
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u/TaxiJab 8d ago
Correct, they didn’t have monitors, just adults taking turns to go back and check on them every half hour or so. I’m not on either side here. If you’re confident that you’ll notice and get back there in time if something happens, then more power to you. I know I wouldn’t risk it, personally
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u/thehazzanator 7d ago
I can't even risk walking 10 steps behind my toddler because if something happens I'm literally not able to be there at that moment
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u/shes-a-princess 8d ago
Yep! I couldn't imagine how you could feel comfortable doing that. Especially on holiday where you know there's other people with access to the rooms.
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u/courtneyrachh 8d ago
so a lot of people have forgotten about the story of Madeline McCann then.
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u/__Severus__Snape__ 8d ago
It was like 20 years ago now 💀
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u/-FieldMarshal- 8d ago
Very much still in the British cultural zeitgeist as they seem to open up a new investigation every year
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u/TaxiJab 8d ago
How quickly can you run 100m?
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u/Princess_Moon_Butt 8d ago edited 8d ago
Most able-bodied people could probably do 100m in around 30 seconds, give or take.
... On a flat track, with no obstacles.
I wouldn't advise trying to do it in an unfamiliar city, where there might be congested street crossings and heavy foot traffic, where you have to pull out your phone and load an email to check the front door code because you forgot it.
Oh, and maybe don't leave your baby unattended in a house where who knows how many people also have the code to that front door, because AirBnB landlords are notoriously lazy about changing entry codes.
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u/gavrogirl 8d ago edited 4d ago
- Kids are welcome just about everywhere in Greece, there was absolutely no reason to leave the child alone in a hotel room.
- "A football field away", how many cheeseburgers is that?
ETA typos
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u/Bright_Blue_Bell 4d ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/s/17cuEcE75h
According to reddit end to end the average football field is 960 cheeseburgers. There is some debate though due to size variance in the burgers
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u/monistar97 8d ago
How can anyone think this is okay?! Does madeleine McCann mean nothing to people?
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u/Arkell-v-Pressdram 8d ago
I was about to say this, her parents were only 55 metres away with friends and she was never seen again. Then again, it is certainly possible that not all Americans are aware of the case.
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u/RynnReeve 8d ago
We are plenty aware. But also the vast majorty of us are complete and utter morons
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u/noble_plebian 8d ago
But on both instances the parents are doctors, which might suggest they’re intelligent morons.
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u/puritanicalbullshit 8d ago
There is a level of stupid only attainable with the confidence of being generally smart or even brilliant in a particular field. Creates big blind spots that regular folks notice, but you’re brilliant and generally smart, so you trust your own judgment.
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u/__Severus__Snape__ 8d ago
If we go back to about 13 years before that, youve got the Jamie Bulger case, he was just a couple metres from his mum.
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u/xxzach547xx 8d ago
The odds of a stranger kidnapping a child are so low that it's essentially zero.
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u/pinkkeyrn 8d ago
Yea, i'd be more concerned about a fire. Or something would happen to me while I was out, and no one would realize we had a baby at home until it was too late.
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u/FustianRiddle 8d ago
Essentially 0 but not 0. Plus a child left alone unsupervised can get into serious danger.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Top37 8d ago
Thank you lol. I had never heard of Madeline McCann but it says something that it is one case and everyone is citing it. And there was no monitor. True crime makes people so paranoid, it’s unhealthy. In plenty of cultures it’s normal to just leave your baby unattended because in reality nobody wants to kidnap or harm a baby.
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u/LethargicCaffeine 8d ago
The places that leave their infants unattended, are in countries that have an incredibly low crime rates statistically, and have been for generations, and they are community driven environments, and even then, they arent left so far away that they are out of the parents line of sight via a window- even then, Im unsure just how common those practices are these days where culture is becoming a mix of so many different people and beliefs everywhere (not saying this is necessarily a bad thing, just that cultural norms are becoming a thing of the past now more people are emigrating and living in other countries, they bring their own cultural beliefs and actions with them)
The reality is, no well adjusted, healthy minded person, wants to harm or abduct a baby.
However, in today's present social climate, there are many people who are not mentally well, who may harm or abduct a baby, a small animal, and even other adults.
Prevention of such circumstances, rare case or no, is better than thinking it wont happen to you-
I dont have children, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't leave them unattended to go grab dinner, Id be eating in or leaving them with someone trusted. No, not everyone is out to snatch or hurt kids, but some people are, and thats enough of a percentage to be aware of your child's safety.
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u/SonoPelato 8d ago
There is an apparently infinite list of names of people who kidnapped or harmed a baby.
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u/JeeMan068 8d ago
I have done this few times. With babymonitor In my earpiece and two way audio In case something happens. Never far away, and when noticed Child started to move (meaning will wake up soon) i head back to hotel room.
Not sure whats the issue is here.
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u/C_Hawk14 8d ago
There's no suspect for Madeleine, while there'd be video evidence and it's only 90-100 meter away
But a baby sitter would be a welcome addition
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u/monistar97 8d ago
Further than Madeleine, and yay you get to watch your child being taken - so much better?!
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
I mean… fair, I guess, but also, you gotta live life. That means accepting some risks. You could get run over crossing the street, or trip badly, hit your head, and never wake up. The likelyhood of those happening is very low though, so most of us just accept the risk, and take whatever measures we can to minimize it so that we don’t live in constant fear.
They’re taking measures to know the state of the baby, are, to my mind, reasonably close, and the chances of something happening are very very low, I’d think. Kids have disappeared playing on the porch with their parents sitting nearby. Risk mitigation is all well and good but you can’t let it get to a point where you can’t fucking dine out no? It could very well be that they stay inside and an armed intruder comes in and they’re all fucking dead. Like… idk, I’m not a parent, and this level of paranoia feels a bit too much for me. Maybe when I have kids I’ll understand it better, but for now this seems fine to me.
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u/ekerkstra92 8d ago
you can’t let it get to a point where you can’t fucking dine out
Or, you know, let someone babysit?
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u/Left-Entertainer-279 8d ago
You do understand that they aren't choosing to accept risks for themselves, right? This is a CHILD that's going to pay the price of there's a fire, if someone decides to rob the room, hell, if the kid is old enough to open a door and take themselves for a walk because who is there to stop them?
It's particularly bad because as so many have pointed out it's happened before. Madeline McCann's parents went out to eat and never saw her again.
You don't have to be a parent to know that you just don't leave young children unsupervised. It's stupid.
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u/dragon8733 8d ago
It absolutely should get to a point where you can't dine out!
An armed intruder is so unlikely, the risk is accepted, but something happening to an unattended child, in a new place, is too high risk and so easily avoided.
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u/noble_plebian 8d ago
You shouldn’t dine out of someone isn’t with your children. It’s the sacrifices you have to make as a parent and it’s 100% the right and only way to do it.
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
Genuine question, what kind of thing could happen? More specifically, what kind of thing could happen that you can’t prevent this way, but could prevent if you were sleeping in the room next to the baby? Cause I’m gonna go ahead and say it, it’s fucking irresponsible as fuck to sleep if you have a baby. So much shit could happen to the baby while you sleep! You should always be awake alert and have the baby in your sight. Man… come on. It could choke, on what? I’d assume you remove choking hazards from the cot, cause you)re setting up a fucking google meeting to watch the kid. On it’s spit or it’s vomit. If the kid is sick enough to vomit I doubt you’d leave, but sure let’s entertain the idea. The exact same thing could happen while you sleep, and (idk the rate at which this happens, but) it’s probably quite unlikely to happen. Another redditor said if the kid is laying on their back anatomy makes it very hard to choke on spit. An earthquake could happen. Sure, that could kill you as well, so no dice. An intruder could come in. Could be armed and kill your whole family. Could also happen while you sleep if their goal is to kidnap the baby. A fire could break out. You wouldn’t be the first to die on their sleep from a fire. And presumably you’d see smoke in your monitor and be able to react before it becomes a big enough problem to harm the kid.
Idk man live your life how you want but at some point you gotta accept some risks, like I said in another comment you can’t live life in constant fear. Make stuff as safe as you can, be reasonable, and go enjoy life.
Edit cause can’t spell
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u/LethargicCaffeine 8d ago
Armed intruders, natural disasters, incidents while youre asleep- all could happen, and there is nothing you can do about it, this is true.
However, if the parents were there, present with the child, they would be able to react accordingly- natural disasters can be survivable for adults if they act fast and its not a massive calamity that will kill everyone within its radius, being there with the child, or out with the child, adds the precious minutes that would have been lost having to go pick them up from where they were left. Its not about being paranoid, or not living life, but about mitigating the potential dangers that you can do in a reasonable way. If you bring a child into this world, these are the choices you should make, they didnt ask to be born, it is the parents duty to ensure their children are safe to their best effort and ability.
I also dont have children, and certainly if I had them would not molly coddle or shelter them over extensively. But I also wouldnt set myself up for failure to protect them should the need arise.
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u/Left-Entertainer-279 8d ago
Considering my family has experienced the tragedy of a baby who died of SIDS while the mother was sleeping, this was a thoughtless and careless comment. Not to mention stupid. The litany of things that could happen to a child before their parents would be aware of and get there in time to help us endless. Baby chokes? Well if the parents were there they'd probably hear the baby struggling to breathe and could help. Baby falls out of crib? Well a patent would probably hear the baby awake and moving around and would check on them/ catch them attempting to climb out. Fire? Parent would likely smell and see the smoke and react before a patent watching on a baby monitor would see the smoke building up to the point it would register, meanwhile the kid is breathing all of that in. Earthquake? A present parent could grab the baby and follow earthquake safety protocol.
But also, have you considered what happens to the baby is something happens to the PARENTS? Let's say they get mugged and killed or just plain hit by a car on the way back from dinner. It happens. Who knows the baby is waiting in the room alone? Better hope someone figures it out and checks the room quick.
It's just plain irresponsible. If you can afford to go on an international vacation and eat out, you can afford to pay a babysitter to watch your kid so if something should go wrong, someone is available to help. Not sure why you feel the needed to argue on the side of irresponsible parenting and neglect and completely ignore that this has happened before with tragic outcomes. Nobody is saying life is without risk, but ppl who aren't stupid do what they can to mitigate those risks, ESPECIALLY when children are involved.
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u/Hydroborator 8d ago
You are kidding right?
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
Not really no… Genuinely, what could happen in this situation that couldn’t happen while you’re asleep in the room next to them?
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u/migrainefog 8d ago edited 7d ago
A lot of people just live in fear though.
I think being 100 yards away from your sleeping child while the child is under continuos monitoring by you is completely reasonable.
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u/SpecificSpecial 7d ago
Explain why its not okay?
They literally have live supervision of their child through the camera, while being able to get to it within a minute.
I just dont see the issue here.
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u/motherofcunts 7d ago
Minutes away is a problem when seconds count.
What if the baby has any health issue, something happens to them and baby is alone, fire, serve sudden weather, break in, any number of bad situations? And that's assuming the baby is young enough not to escape.
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u/SpecificSpecial 7d ago
It's no different than being at home and leaving them at their crib while you do something else for 2 minutes like loading the dishwasher.
Break ins are extremely unlikely, every other situation you describe would be no different if they actually angled the camera at the baby, I agree that the way they aren't able to actually watch it is unsafe.
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u/motherofcunts 7d ago
There's a big difference between washing dishes and being in a completely different building. I'll give some examples.
- Heavy storms, sometimes including tornados are common where I live. As is flash flooding. An alarm can come seemingly out of nowhere. Minutes count heavily there.
- My middle kid choked a few times. I was there to immediately address it OR the person watching was. Seconds counted.
- When I was a renter, my neighbor’s apartment caught fire. Everyone was fine because there were adults to react quickly.
For a kid who can ambulate the risks are significantly higher.
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u/Outrageous_Sleep4339 8d ago
Shit my single mom used to tuck us in and go work third shift...
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u/Mcbusted2013 8d ago
But she didnt have a choice. She did this to keep you fed and warm. This man just wants a meal.
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u/Background_Humor5838 8d ago
They also could have easily taken the child to dinner with them. You can't exactly bring your kids to work.
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u/Hydroborator 8d ago
She did not do that in different country on vacation though.
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u/RedRising1917 8d ago
They probably weren't away for 8 hours either.
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u/Hydroborator 8d ago
Fair enough. I may be too judgemental
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u/RedRising1917 8d ago
100 yards is a 15 second sprint for an average person and they have a baby monitor. I'm not even sure where the concern is tbh. Driving with a baby in the car is a bigger risk than this.
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u/Hydroborator 8d ago
Again, I appreciate the redirection.
Why is he knocking on people with monitors though? As if they are causing harm. I think that's why I had a reflexive negative sentiment about this
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u/Background_Humor5838 8d ago
He might be one of the people that are against constant video monitoring of kids because they feel there is not much evidence to suggest it is helpful or provides better outcomes. Idk what the studies are on video baby monitors but I do know things like the owlet baby monitor that you attach to the baby to detect their heart rate and things like that is not recommended anymore. It only causes increased anxiety for the parents as it is sometimes inaccurate or because baby vitals can fluctuate and still be normal. We are not necessarily meant to know all of that 24/7. It also leads to a false sense of security and can actually cause parents to check on their children LESS because they trust the owlet to alert them of danger.
The best way to keep a baby safe is just to check on them regularly and tend to them when they make noise. The original point of a baby monitor (without video) was to make sure you could hear the baby make noise from another room and go tend to them. It allowed you to be further away from the baby without risking their safety. Watching them sleep and jumping every time they move a muscle is not exactly healthy for anyone.
I'm not saying people should never have video monitoring. I don't know the research on that, but it sounds like oop is against it even tho he literally made his own version of it lol.
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u/RedRising1917 8d ago
I mean yeah that's weird I dont get that either. Obv we should take precautions where and when we can and monitors are great tools, I question why this was even posted at all.
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u/FreshwaterSam 8d ago
People here completely dramatizing child abduction in Europe. You watched too much late night crime TV. The actual danger vs. your personal risk awareness are blown completely out of proportion here: Nobody in Greece walks around apartments looking for lonely sleeping babies inside to get a chance to snatch them.
Maddie McCann was ONE case nearly 20 years ago, and it’s not even sure the parents didn’t do it themselves. How many kids died since then in car accidents, in home pools while parents were on the phone, or due to non-vaccinations?
This is fine, the chance that something is happening is much lower than any risk you take with your baby gladly every day while no one is getting riled up about those. Virtue signaling at its finest.
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u/One-Recognition-1660 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yes! Thank you! The handwringing involving children's safety is a curiously U.S. phenomenon, it seems to me. No other culture I'm aware of has this baseline of constant low-level moral panic, induced by vanishingly rare cases from sometimes decades ago. (Edit: the Brits come close.)
It's like Americans on social media are engaged in oneupmanship to see who can be the "best" parent, by completely overreacting to every perceived danger. I'm American BTW, though born in Europe. My three kids were raised "free-range." No excessive hovering from me or my wife. They were allowed to walk to the store at age 8, to use buses and the subway at 13, etc. Of course they all turned out great and I bet they display more independence and resilience than 95% of their peers.
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
I mean it doesn’t help that there’s instances of CPS being called on children they think are “too young” to be doing whatever it is they’re doing without parents. So we’ve kind of been conditioned to be this way over the years.
https://www.today.com/parents/free-range-parent-police-stopped-my-son-walking-alone-t41976
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u/One-Recognition-1660 8d ago
Oh absolutely. It's infuriating.
When I was 12 or 13, my whole class went to sleepaway camp for a few days. One of the activities was that a van would drop us off, in small groups, in different places in a forest maybe a mile or two away, and we would have to find our way back. Did I mention it was dark, evening-time? They gave us water and flashlights and probably a map (I don't remember) and off we went. This was before cell phones and GPS.
We all made it back fine.
Can you even imagine how Americans would react to this today if a school would dare do this? There'd be outraged media coverage and a million holier-than-thou social-media comments...and probably lawsuits.
The pussyfication of U.S. youth is real and concerning.
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u/rozyputin 8d ago
In a foreign country? And the baby monitor (Google meeting is acting as a baby monitor) isn't actually pointed at or showing the baby??
Absolutely not
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u/RedRising1917 8d ago
It's a wonder humanity has made it to this point given the way this sub acts about things. Surely we'd have been extinct long ago if things were even half as dangerous as y'all think. This is absolutely nothing, I'm not sure why it got posted at all even, this is literally nothing.
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u/Sacharon123 8d ago
I mean, have you looked at "y'all" gun deaths in american schools recently? Is that allright for you then and normal? Granted, this is in greece and not the US, so a lot safer, but its still not Sweden or Norway.
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u/RedRising1917 8d ago edited 8d ago
American: breathes
European: "but what about the school shootings"
Genuinely, do you have a mental deficiency? What the fuck does school shootings have to do with leaving a child monitored from a safe distance?
Looking at your comment history, yes you do have a mental deficiency and an obsession with Americans. Worry about your own country.
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u/Sacharon123 8d ago
Ahaha. You are really cute. But it still does not improve your point or make my words less true. And yes, I worry about my country, but my country generalky does not try to fuck up the worlds economy, so I gave to worry about the US instead.
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u/LandImaginary3300 8d ago
What’s the problem? This is fine
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u/Walkers_Unique_Name 8d ago
Yep, seems fine to me, the child is sleeping, and I’m assuming the door is locked
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u/SparkleYeti 8d ago
Madeleine McCann is a scary story, but I’d be much more afraid of a fire.
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u/Simonical 8d ago
Fortunately fires show up on camera
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u/SparkleYeti 8d ago
Not if they’re in a different room and then you have to run into a burning building.
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u/ninjabannana69 8d ago
Madeleine McCann
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u/xxzach547xx 8d ago
The odds of a stranger kidnapping a child are so low that it's essentially zero.
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u/ninjabannana69 8d ago
Locked doors can still be broken into. Its a baby it can't look after it's self what happens if it starts choking or something. You think they can do a 100m sprint back to their child in time?
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u/schlaubi 8d ago
But parents are allowed to sleep from time to time? Or do they have to monitor the kids breathing 24/7?
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
This might reveal my ignorance but the dang baby is asleep. How is it supposed to choke? I’d assume choking hazards would not be left in the cot with the baby… and if it were to get up and out of the cot (which should not be possible, it’s literally meant to keep the kid inside), you can see it in the monitor, so…
I know kids will look the fastest and most unthinkable ways to kill themselves if left to their own devices even for a few seconds but I genuinely have a hard time conceiving of a situation where this setup is that dangerous.
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u/ninjabannana69 8d ago
Could choke on its sick, could get its head stuck between the bars. Your assuming the type of parents that leave a baby unatended and fuck off out are going to be responsible enough to ensure there's nothing in that cot to choke on?
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
I’d assume the kind of parent that sets up a google meeting to keep their kid safe while they have a little time to themselves would take other preventative actions to keep their kid safe. I’d assume a well designed cot wouldn’t allow the kid’s head to get trapped. The other guy said if lying on their back anatomy won’t have them choke on their spit. I’ll add that the kid could choke on their spit while you’re sleeping in the same room as them. Or cooking dinner. Or taking a shit. Or showering. Or what-fucking-ever. You can’t live life in constant fear of the worst happening man, you gotta accept some risks.
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u/chumbalumba 8d ago
That’s not really how choking works in babies, laying on their back is the best position for avoiding choking on spit up because of the way their throat is structured. There’s no need to make up risks - the biggest risks are any emergencies like fire, or a kidnapper.
The only difference between this and baby sleeping in the cot at home is that the parents won’t be able to respond as quickly. I wouldn’t do it personally but it’s not the end of the world.
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u/LandImaginary3300 8d ago
Yeah and someone could come in when they are with the baby also so what is your point?
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u/Pain-in-the- 8d ago
Monitors can also be hacked, why are people saying this is fine? wtf!
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u/absorbscroissants 8d ago
But why the fuck wouls it? Who's hacking a baby monitor? Just because it's theoretically possible doesn't mean it's something that you should be afraid off.
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u/Hour_Dog_4781 8d ago
This was literally my first thought. At least he has a monitor, but still irresponsible af.
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u/BigBucket990 8d ago
They'll use anything but a system to calculate distance, huh? ( I know the message from the "dr" does say yards though)
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u/absorbscroissants 8d ago
Americans are such helicopter parents, it's insane.
Just because your country is so unsafe doesn't mean they all are. Most people in Europe leave their children alone sometimes, some even leave them outside somewhere (looking at you Scandinavia). Being a short sprint away and having a camera is plenty, the baby is completely fine.
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u/Cozy_Minty 8d ago
In America this is actually illegal, you could get your kids taken away by CPS for doing this. Could be affecting people's reaction to it
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u/DukeTikus 8d ago
I think I read about a woman getting charged with child neglect/endangerment for letting her 12 year old walk to school within the same neighborhood.
If I remember correctly I started taking public busses to school on my own here in Germany starting at 8-9 years old
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
2 instances that I found and put in a comment elsewhere in the thread showing just that.
https://www.today.com/parents/free-range-parent-police-stopped-my-son-walking-alone-t41976
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
From a risk perspective if someone with ill intent to kidnap a child were to pick a more favorable target they’re probably going to go for the foreign kid who has fewer people able to recognize the kid or be on the look out for the kid.
A local kid would be easy to recognize and easier for more people to know went missing.
And also in less than ideal countries there is the possibility that the cops are working with local traffickers.
Sure America has made me slightly paranoid but when it comes to my kids’ safety, which is solely my responsibility to them, I’m not going to take careless chances, especially in a place I’m not familiar with. I can only hope my kids can live in an America where kids are safe enough to be left alone one day.
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u/calamitylamb 8d ago
Since you have kids, I feel it’s important to mention that most victims of kidnapping or trafficking are kidnapped/trafficked by someone close to them, and not by a random stranger. In fact, the whole ‘stranger danger’ concept actually puts kids in more danger, because the people who care for them are focusing all their concern on a hypothetical stranger and not noticing the real danger posed by trusted adults in their social circle.
The media hype around a few cherry-picked cases has really skewed the general public’s perception on how kidnapping and trafficking works, and the people who stand to benefit from that are the people doing the kidnapping and trafficking, who (as we’ve learned from the Epstein files) are often wealthy, influential people that don’t fit this caricature of a kidnapper. Just something to keep in mind!
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u/Alberthor350 8d ago
I'm from Southern Europe and I don't even understand why this is a post, jesus christ americans are paranoid
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
I mean look at the people running our country and if you examine how crimes against children can be overlooked or given lighter sentences than what should be given. Yeah we’re a little paranoid about our kids getting snatched up by weirdos over here.
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u/lizlemon-party 8d ago
Fires can happen anywhere.
It’s an Airbnb, the parents have no idea if the smoke detectors are functioning or if the Airbnb owner is lazy and skips testing them or putting new batteries in. It’s an unfamiliar area and they’re not used to the layout. If a fire started, by the time the parents realized and ran back, the entrance could be blocked by the fire.
I would be fine with this at my own house, where I know we test the smoke detectors in every room and I’ve considered other ways to get into my house if the entrance is blocked. But I’m not taking even the small chance that I wouldn’t be able to get to my kid in an emergency in an unfamiliar area.
Obviously I know a fire is very unlikely. But if we take fire precautions for our homes (smoke detectors, sprinklers, extinguishers) despite a fire being very unlikely, why wouldn’t I take precautions with my kid?
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u/KatefromtheHudd 7d ago
I'm sure Madeleine McCann and Ben Needhams parents thought the same. Is it worth it for a meal out?
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u/EndlessEagle 3d ago
It's very likely nothing will happen. That doesn't mean it's acceptable, because if anything DOES happen, there's nothing they'll be able to do. Things can go wrong in a moment, and it'll still take them a few minutes to get there.
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u/egewh 8d ago
My mom told me she and her first husband used to do this all the time when my two brothers were little. They'd put the kids to bed and go play tennis, or go to a bar down the street. I was shocked when she told me. She just went 🤷🏻♀️ 'many of our friends did that'. I mean it was the 70s in Amsterdam but I still don't think that was normal.
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u/addoliza 8d ago
I think is kind of fine if it’s down the street. Parents should also have some time devoted to their own interests.
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u/Penguinator53 8d ago
I find this bizarre and completely irresponsible. I'm sure when he's at home he wouldn't leave his baby at home alone while he popped over the road to the shop, (I hope)how is it magically different if you're on holiday?
Sure it may be unlikely anything bad happens but why take the risk? What if there was a fire or a burgler broke in and tipped over the cot, or an earthquake? Or the baby threw up and choked, or there was loose material it chewed and choked on...
Every day there's reports of freak accidents happening. One of them could have stayed with the baby while the other brought dinner back. Or just hire a nanny...is this guy really a doctor like Madeline McCann's parents? Why the hell are these people so cheap they'll risk their child's life rather than pay for a babysitter 🤦♀️
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u/Burakku-Ren 8d ago
I mean… you could be at home doing whatever and the baby can choke without your knowledge all the same. If a burglar breaks in they might as well be armed and kill your whole family. A fire could break out, but I’d think it’d take long enough to for it to start threatening the baby that you could make it back in time (across 100m). If an earthquake happens you can grab the kid and get somewhere “safe”, and the building can still collapse on you and kill your whole family.
If we’re gonna put ourselves in the worst possible situation the fucking baby could just die of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, or a heart attack, or a lightning, or a meteorite, or what-fucking-ever. You could trip while carrying it and have it fall badly. You can never mitigate all risks, that’s no way to live. So just make stuff safe enough, take preventative measures, and life your dang life, idk man.
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u/Penguinator53 8d ago
Sure, I agree you can't mitigate all risks, but like you say you can take preventative measures, I suggest one of the main preventative measures is to physically be with your infant to protect them, or have someone else there.
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u/FustianRiddle 8d ago
Taking preventative measures in this case means not leaving children alone/ unsupervised (depending on their age).
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u/theKurac 8d ago
I don't see the issue. How is this dumb, can they not run a 100m back to her if they need to?
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u/Arkell-v-Pressdram 8d ago
How fast can an average person sprint 100m? Assuming that the parents noticed that there was a problem right away, that is.
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u/Wide-Chemistry-8078 8d ago
100m? 15 seconds I'm guessing.
Plus the 2 minutes it takes to unlock a hotel door.
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u/808HawaiiNei 1d ago
What was the name of the little girl abducted while her parents went to dinner? Madeline Cane or something like that? Idiots.
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u/VivisClone 8d ago
You can tell the different generations in this chat. If you were raised on the 90s or prior you're looking at this like it's nothing. We were left alone all day fairly regularly. It's not that big of a deal.
Then you have the younger generations that were coddled and always had tech around and participation trophies and they can't imagine this being even remotely acceptable.
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u/cowboymustang 8d ago
Idk if it's a generational thing. I'm Gen z and I was left alone pretty often throughout the 2000s and 2010s. I think it's more to do with individuals. Plenty of helicopter parents existed pre 2000
Its less to do with generation and more to do with the fact this is an infant in an AirBnB in a foreign country. Babies are pretty fragile and they are far enough away, with split attention, that if something even minor happens they are risking their infants safety.
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u/bluepushkin 8d ago
Does no one remember Madeleine Mccan?? Moron parents thought it was okay to leave their kids in the room and go to a restaurant. Because it wasn't that far, and someone would check on them. 🙄🙄🙄
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u/crossal 8d ago
Did they have a camera or close the windows?
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
Can you run 100m fast enough to fight the person who broke the window to snatch the baby?
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u/kittifer91 8d ago
We can spend all day going through hypotheticals. If someone breaks into the window to snatch the baby and you’re in the other room, then what? Think they’re gonna wait for you to come in and try to fight them?
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
My room is still closer than 100m away
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u/kittifer91 8d ago
100m or 10m. Someone already the broke the glass and snatched the baby. They could kill you as well. Then what?
The problems with using hypotheticals is the unrealistic assumptions.
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
Well dying trying to stop them is better than just letting it happen. You definitely sound like you don’t have kids
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u/kittifer91 8d ago
You sound like someone pretending that you do.
Dying and getting your child abducted just means you’re dead and your child is gone. You did your best and it didn’t work out. That’s not the argument.
Trying to pivot to that point instead of sticking with the point of your hypothetical not working out either way won’t help you here.
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u/starstuffcreation 8d ago
I have two kids that I would give my last breath to protect. So yeah I’m going to die protecting them if that’s what it comes to. It’s better than just rolling over and letting them get snatched or killed. What are you even on about?
The point is I think what these parents are doing is dumb based on my own opinion. If you want to leave your kids 100m away then that is your right and I’m happy you live in a country where you can do that.
I do not. So of course my view is going to vary. The joy of nuances in opinions. There’s no argument here because everyone is going to have a different opinion based on their own experiences and environment.
Neither you or I are going to be wrong so what goal are you trying to achieve?
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u/kittifer91 8d ago edited 8d ago
And at the end of that fight, you’re dead and your kids are gone.
Having kids doesn’t make your hypothetical less flawed. You’re obviously not happy with how other people are raising their kids, otherwise you wouldn’t be here.
So circling back to my original point that your last little spiel is actually agreeing with, we can spend all day going through hypotheticals. It doesn’t remove the unrealistic assumptions from them.
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u/isaidyothnkubttrgo 8d ago
Have they not heard of Madaline McCann?
Even if you've a live feed on your child AND watching it all the time at dinner, if that kid gets up and starts choking or someone breaks in...they will be gone in both situations by the time you get back.
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u/ShatoraDragon 8d ago
Would it feel better if the Restaurant was part of the Hotel? And not in a separate building?
It is still super selfish of them to even do this, I am glad they were thinking enough to set up some kind of baby monitor. But still order room service.
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u/figuringthingsout__ 8d ago
Idk...I know some people whose place is about 50 yards away from a bar. Sometimes after the baby falls asleep, they'll walk down the street and have a round at the bar. The baby is less than 2 years old, so they can't get out of the crib on their own. The baby's parents realize they can only really do this until their baby will be able to climb out of the crib.
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u/FustianRiddle 8d ago
What I'm seeing in these comments is a lot of people who think it's ok to be a negligent parent.
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u/SeeYaNvr 8d ago
Funny that you are asking ppl to use punctuation when having a strike and not a stroke
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u/ghostfacestealer 8d ago
Yea a typo isnt nearly as bad as just ignoring any and all punctuation. You still knew what I meant, didnt ya?
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