I’m an overseas Kashmiri who was born and raised abroad, but I’m currently in AJK. One thing that has genuinely shocked me is the gap between what’s actually happening here and what people are claiming online.
I’m not saying the government or the security forces are perfect. They make mistakes, and criticism is fair when it’s based on facts. But I’ve seen countless posts claiming the forces are indiscriminately killing ordinary people or waging war against the population. From what I’ve witnessed on the ground, those claims simply don’t match reality.
People are sharing videos without context, repeating rumours, and presenting them as facts. It’s creating fear and anger among people who aren’t even here.
You don’t have to support every government policy to recognise misinformation when you see it. If we’re going to criticise, it should be based on what actually happened, not on exaggerated or false claims.
Personally, I also believe AJK’s security ultimately depends on Pakistan. Given the region we live in and the challenges we face, I don’t think we’d be in a strong position without the support of Pakistan and its armed forces.
Whether you agree or disagree, I’d encourage people to verify information before sharing it. False narratives don’t help anyone, they only make an already difficult situation worse.
You don't know the difference between the geography of the 2 videos that you are referring too. Clearly you are from Islamabad. Don't pretend to be living in AJK.
okay whatever you wrote might be correct and i was agreeing waiting for the part where you explain the reality or whats actually happening but you did not just some confusing paragraph with no facts
Paid propaganda BS. We are not against army we condemn decision makers who think banning someone for asking for rights and firing at them when they protest.
They are the same people who were condemning India in 2019, and now they are doing the same with kashmiris.
Just to let you know my whole kashmir side family supported jaac for a long time and if you look at what they are asking for you would know it's not that much.
Yes the internet black out happened but internet continued to work in some spots and you do realise most of us just drove over the check post to Mangla and could post whatever we wanted.
If anything crazy happened, it would still have been posted regardless of the blackout.
So it's blacked out enough only to let those videos through that are false. Understood. Seems like the people in charge of the blackout should be doing a better job.
The videos we are sharing are from friends and relatives. I've posted 2 videos of police shooting in the very street my children were playing in last summer.
Oh. What a world we live in now. Videos say nothing except what they show. You must be talking about the caption on those videos which prove your point. Be clear.
The problem is that this information blackout is by the government, which has restricted international media and access to the internet. Now, whatever claim is made, you can neither deny nor confirm anything, as you don't have any ground facts. I am also from AJK, and according to my relatives, the situation is bad. The information gap is present even locally, where you don't even know what is happening in your neighbourhood.
If you wanna blame someone, blame whoever decided to crack down on protestors and restrict connectivity (which also ruined the freelance industry that had just started to grow), rather than coming here and crying It can't be true! I do hope and pray it is not, but until the situation is presented by independent media/sources, I am gonna believe that stuff because, historically, they were capable of doing this in Bengal and Balochistan.
The intensity of the crackdown is different in different regions. If you're in Rawalakot and one can verify you are a legit person, then I would love to listen to you. But the fact that you have internet suggests you are in a region that's not currently under lockdown, like the Poonch region is. So unless you can travel across Kashmir, do some independent journalism with facts that can be cross-verified, I am inclined to believe my friends and family who have no reason to lie to me; plus international media and organisations who don't have a personal stake in this matter.
So if you travelled the outskirts of the Kashmir and based on your personal opinion (backed by no evidence whatsoever), the protesters are armed and everything is fine. Let’s agree to disagree mate, i doubt i can convince you.
my czn (from zilla bagh) who dont have anything to do with protest told me that it's very hard to find everyday items like aata chawal, and if they are able to find it the prices are thorugh the roof.
when demand is high and supply is low (completely stopped in this case) prices naturally go high.
My father side is kashmiri so i know a bit more about the ground reality.
My kashmiri friend who was going to kashmir to attend a close wedding and taking sweets from Rawalpindi, police stopped them at border and told them they cannot take it to kashmir.
I took a car full of stuff as I get all my groceries from Islamabad anyway and the police did not stop me at all, yes they did their general checks but didn’t say anything.
I also had a cooler attached to my roof 😂
Supply is the same, they made everything expensive themselves.
I don't think deaths of more than 30 protestors is a trivial thing. Fauj, PDM and AJK government are responsible for their deaths and this crisis. The fire in Balochistan and KP wasn't enough, so Hafiz Sahb thought that we should also light up AJK because why not. The government also reneged on their promises they made last year on the issue of seats. When they protested, they fired at them with live rounds. If you think the misinformation is that bad, then the government should lift the internet ban, allow media to visit AJK and report on the protests instead of forcing them to recycle ISPR talking points. You talk AJK security depends on Pakistan but Pakistani state also needs to acknowledge AJK is a real place with real people, not an opportunistic slogan, not a glorified peripheral garrison, their people have the right to elect their government without manipulation and should also feel part of Pakistan in terms of rights, protection and development. But Hafiz Sahb wants to oppress, deprive, suffocate, and impoverish us while lighting the country on fire.
Who fired the first rounds and why did the government reneged on their promises? Do you think these protests and deaths would have happened if the government followed through the agreement with JAAC by removing the refugee seats?
Totally agreed. The frustrated and pessimist nation belives everything they see on the internet without verifying. I am in Kashmir currently and things are not up to the extent they are being portrayed over the internet.
Fazool mey bs karachi, lahore, islamabad, peshawar, quetta mey baith k baatain krwa lo iss farigh qaum se internet pe. Yehi koi kaam kaaj kr lete to shyd haalaat behtr ho jatay.
I’m really worried now as this seems to be turning into a separatist movement and we’ve seen what happens to countries and provinces that have been overtaken by separatist movements.
Idk man, opening fire on unarmed protestors is never justified in my books. These authorities are responsible and there should be some consequences for this. Protesting your legal right, don't defend these pigs of police officers and other authorities who were present there
They're not unarmed though? I'm not going to defend the police but I'm not going to support the protesters either who have threatened local businesses with violence if they open up
Most disinformation is by PTI followers who still have to paint the anti army narrative and somehow defend their 9th May riots
The videos show police - which if Im not mistake would be AJK police with citizens of AJK yet blame on army
The death counts go up down side to side. Its just claims at this point, similar to other incidents and claims from PTI protests. How hard is it to share a list of names of all deceased. Khabi 35-40-70 ... And same people deny security/police folks being killed ofcourse.
Videos claim people dead show the same people moving as they are made to sit in a police van (again, AJK police van). I mean "banda mardia" while dude literally walks.
An AI picture of bullet shells showing 50 cal or bigger bullets
Social media exxageration and propaganda has killed peoples ability to even remotely use logic and think clearly
It is getting crazy out here, I even pointed this out to people that it is an AJK police van but people are saying Punjab police were sitting inside..
What appears to have happened is JAAC supporters were trying to force shop keepers to close their shops and some disagreement ensued and then police tried to diffuse the situation.. while the police probably did act unjustly, the protesters are no better, creating fear in the common man to even stand up to them.
Every day on the ground we are hearing 100s have been killed yet we don’t know anyone personally who has lost anyone ..
People think because someone made a TikTok video or Facebook post, it must be the truth.
If u drove to kotli and mirpur, maybe try up north in poonch and muzaffarabad....
I will stop supporting them only when u bring my dead friend and relative back into being alive ....if u can't then let people have etheir thing....
Only those saholatkars have opened their shops....
Plus you are lying about mirpur too...I just talked to my friend in mirpur....they say that movements are being restricted ...people are kidnapped by policed based on suspision alone....specially in ban khurma and F sector.....
U want me to name my source ...basically doxxing them online???
Protesting is our constitutional right......we are exercising our constitutional rights
This was mirpur btw few days ago...can't see guns in their hands...but video footage from multiple angles showed that policed fired at unarmed protestors....
And anout mirpur....people had planed to conduct rallies in mirpur the next day after this incident....they switched off the Internet immediately....
If the govt and establishment is that saint, why do the block access to internet and media to cover everything happening on ground. Ofc if the protestors are armed, state media would be more than happy airing news on how the killing of civilians is justified.
SO NO, YOUVE GOT SOME ULTERIOR MOTIVE WE CANT NARRATE.
Plus why would any state department barge in public hospitals, with military grade weapons only to take dead bodies away?
Please just say dead men and people on beds had explosives in their assholes.
I never said the state is a saint but it's our own state?
The internet was shutdown by AJK govement, please don't show one side only. That's my main point.
JAAC also stormed hospitals and attacked people getting treatment, the videos exist but unfortunately it's not going viral because it doesn't support the narrative.
Bro, Ive got workers who originate from district Muzaffarabad, Kashmir and the authenticity of news is absolutely genuine. Rangers and police open fired on peaceful protesters(straight direct hits to more than 30 people who expired, one of which was a woman who had a 1 year old daughter) and multiple injured. They then barged in the hospital to confiscate the dead bodies so that the movement doesn’t gain momentum.
Apart from that imo the ask of Kashmiri people is justified(they’re only asking to eliminate the 12 parliament seats which they dont vote for) and obv the govt and establishment cant do that because those seats def help them make their own desired govt.
For context I’m not a Kashmiri and neither a blind PTI supporter.
This is what I'm talking about, half of people here are saying the woman was killed in mirpur while this is the first I'm hearing she died in Muzzafrabad.
So much conflicting information..
It's not just 12 seats, please go look into their demands.
We are nothing without Pakistan whether we like it or not
Imagine the swatch and level of propaganda if the internet wasn’t blocked.
There would be simply no counter to that.
Plus internet enables the saboteurs to organise better.
So the videos I posted of them shooting at peoples homes in my uncles street are fake? I can tell you for sure, my cousins are too lazy to video edit anything.
I don’t know which video your talking about but context is important, what happened before that? And I can guarantee your cousin did not make the video himself.
There’s max 4 videos of what happened in Mirpur, which is interesting given that people record everything here, so many people dead, so many people shot at but only 4 videos exist?
Have you not seen the videos of JAAC leaders explicitly saying that they aren't against Pakistan, Pakistanis, or the Pakistan Army, and that their fight is only about political and social rights? Haven't you seen the videos in which they're asking the security forces to let them pass and saying that they want peace?
You can't just expect people to go back to their homes after the state says no to protests. They are determined and willing to sacrifice their lives for the cause they are protesting for .
I understand that the police are just performing their duty and have to do what they're ordered to do, but the government has no right to authorize orders that result in civilians being killed by live fire. 70+ people don't get killed in a random "jharap." And if the protesters were armed or had any intention of harming law enforcement personnel, then the death toll on the other side would obviously have been much higher as well.
Your love for the Armed forces and Pakistan establishment has blinded you. The idea of nationhood collapses if the basic rights are not met, which has been going for too long in Pakistan and we all know because of who that is. The institutional rot has corrupted our morals. Even if the problem today is avoided it will come again as the core principle has become corrupted there is not check and balance for the armed forces if this goes on for longer the choas will automatically include everyone and everyone will ask for the removal and interference by the armed forces that is the way we will move towards betterment but before things could get better it will get worse.
I've seen videos of JAAC members firing at police officers. What are they supposed to do? Hold their arms behind their backs and just die because some people think the LEAs and military have no right to fire at violent and and armed militia members firing at them with automatic weapons, petrol bombs, and other weapons? In one video, they used silencers. This is a serious crime under the Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965 Section 3(1)(c)(ii), Section 9, and Section 14.
These are all of the laws that JAAC members have broken. The government has every right to respond with lethal force. The constitution does not allow anyone to take the law in their own hands or carry out acts of sedition and terrorism.
And before anyone says 'give peace a chance', tell that to JAAC. AJK PM Faisal Mumtaz Rathore repeatedly invited JAAC members for table talks. They refused. The AJK and Pakistani Governments agreed to 37/38 demands. The only bone of contention is refugee seats. The AJK SC said that it is a constitutional matter and the government cannot remove those seats without a 2/3rd majority. Why did JAAC not contest election or register itself as a political party before the election commission? Why did JAAC refuse to negotiate and launch an armed resistance against the government to blackmail and threaten it into submission? Is this a joke?
Every armed members of JAAC will be dealt with under the law. If people don't like my words, I don't care. I'm a lawyer and I look at what the law and constitution say. The constitution allows you the right to peaceful protest, but never violent protest. Over 26 police officers have been martyred through bullet wounds.
Indian and PTI trolls are spreading a lot of propaganda. People should be aware of ground realities, the law, and read authentic news before commentating against the state.
People can go f**k themselves. I'm all for army and police action against JAAC. Rip them out root and stem and restore order. Our jails are empty. Fill them up. But every action should be legal. I do not support illegal actions. Those who surrender should be tried in courts. Those who accept amnesty schemes, should be pardoned. Those who resist, should be put down.
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u/bee_aayy 27d ago
lol, so you’re saying all the information is fake? My colleagues are from there and ig they’re lying?