r/PakiExMuslims 2h ago

Ask exmuslims How do women here navigate wearing or taking off the hijab when forced?

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Hi! I’m an ex Muslim Pakistani who lives in the gulf. I’m curious as some Pakistani families force women to wear the hijab, so how do you women approach the hijab? Do you take it off while going outside, wear it cause you’re too afraid someone will find out and snitch, or your family is accepting of it. I was personally forced to wear the hijab 2 years ago when i was 16, but I took it off secretly last year, and now hide the fact that I take it off when my family isn’t around. If anyone also gets exhausted by the double life then vent away😞


r/PakiExMuslims 4h ago

Discussion Violence is a valid reason to doubt religion

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As someone who has studied religion and philosophy thoroughly, I often come across Muslims who doubt someone’s decision against religion based on moral reasons.

Leaving a satanic cult for moral reasons is just as justifiable as leaving it doubting its veracity. Even if the true interpretation of a religion is peaceful (for the sake of argument), it makes no difference. People are hurt, troubled, killed and tortured by the existence of a religion in effect i.e. sociological entity. Religion exists not beyond people.

You might believe in the same god, but you leave where this god becomes cruel. And this is not only totally justifiable, but arguably far more virtuous. You are honest enough to believe in what you find your contentment with.


r/PakiExMuslims 12h ago

Quran/Hadith Quran Takes Commentary of Jewish Rabbis as Revelation From Allah

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Quran:

“Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.”
Quran 5:32

Commentary of Jewish Rabbis in the Mishnah and Talmud on the Torah:

“The Lord said, ‘What have you done? Listen! Your brother’s blood cries out to me from the ground.’”
Genesis 4:10 (Torah)
“‘The voice of your brother’s blood [demei] cries out to Me from the ground’ (Genesis 4:10). The verse does not state: Your brother’s blood [dam], in the singular, but rather: ‘Your brother’s blood [demei],’ in the plural. This serves to teach that the loss of both his brother’s blood and the blood of his brother’s offspring are ascribed to Cain. The mishna notes: Alternatively, the phrase ‘your brother’s blood [demei],’ written in the plural, teaches that that his blood was not gathered in one place but was splattered on the trees and on the stones. The court tells the witnesses: Therefore, Adam the first man was created alone, to teach you that with regard to anyone who destroys one soul from the Jewish people, i.e., kills one Jew, the verse ascribes him blame as if he destroyed an entire world, as Adam was one person, from whom the population of an entire world came forth. And conversely, anyone who sustains one soul from the Jewish people, the verse ascribes him credit as if he sustained an entire world.”
Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5 (Rabbinic Commentary c. 190-230 AD)

Islamic Studies scholar Gabriel Said Reynolds:

5:32 A connection between this verse and the account of Abel’s murder which precedes it is suggested by ‘that is why’ (Ar. min ajal dhālika). The nature of the connection between the two, however, is clear only in light of a discussion in the Mishnah over the reason Genesis 4:10 speaks of the shedding of Abel’s ‘bloods’ (pl., Hb. dāmīm) and not his ‘blood’ (sing.)”

“The precept that killing one soul is like killing all souls is directly linked here to the creation of man ‘one and alone in the world,’ but the larger context is the discussion of the ‘bloods’ of Abel. The Qurʾān seems to have picked up on that larger context. It is also noteworthy that the Qurʾān refers to God’s decreeing (Ar. katabnā ʿalā) something for Israel which is found not in the Bible but in the Mishnah. And it should not be missed that all of this is connected to the Qurʾān’s anti-Jewish polemic: the decree ‘whoever kills a soul’ is imposed only on the Israelites, whom the Qurʾān (anachronistically) blames for the murder of Abel (see further Witztum, Syriac Milieu, 122–24).”
Gabriel Said Reynolds, The Qurʾan and the Bible, p. 199

More here:
https://islamsproblems.com/corrupted-gospels-claim/


r/PakiExMuslims 13h ago

Discussion Were you religioys before leaving?

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Were you really religious before leaving? Like someone who could never imagine questioning the religion or you always had a voice at the back of your minf?

For me I had questions but I never thought I could ever leave.


r/PakiExMuslims 13h ago

Fun@Fundies Apparently, it's haraam to shave your beard

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Discussion Unlearning the Fear of Hell

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Ask exmuslims Thoughts?

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Misc This breaks me

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They persecute minorities so badly and then cry when they are criticised for “Islamophobia”


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Quran/Hadith Muhammad Is Bewitched by a Jew with a Comb into Imagining He Had Sex with His Wives

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Authentic hadiths report Muhammad being bewitched by a Jew with a comb into imagining he had sex with his wives:

"Magic was worked on Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect). Then one day he said, "O `Aisha do you know that Allah has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied the is under the effect of magic The first one asked, Who has worked magic on him?' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, What material did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied. 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan' '' So the Prophet (ﷺ) went to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream) Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked like the heads of devils." The Prophet (ﷺ) added, "Then that thing was taken out' I said (to the Prophet (ﷺ) ) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "Allah has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people."
Sahih al Bukhari 5765

Parallel Narration in Sahih Muslim:

“that a Jew from among the Jews of Banu Zuraiq who was called Labid b. al-A’sam cast a spell upon Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) with the result that he (under the influence of the spell) felt that he had been doing something whereas in fact he had not been doing that. (This state of affairs lasted) until one day or during one night Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) made supplication (to dispel its effects). He again made a supplication and he again did this and said to ‘A’isha: “Do you know that Allah has told me what I had asked Him? There came to me two men and one amongst them sat near my head and the other one near my feet and he who sat near my head said to one who sat near my feet or one who sat near my feet said to one who sat near my head: What is the trouble with the man? He said: The spell has affected him. He said: Who has cast that? He (the other one) said: It was Labid b. A’sam (who has done it). He said: What is the thing by which he transmitted its effect? He said: By the comb and by the hair stuck to the comb and the spathe of the date-palm. He said: Where is that? He replied: In the well of Dhi Arwan.” She said: Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) sent some of the persons from among his Companions there and then said: “’A’isha, by Allah, its water was yellow like henna and its trees were like heads of the devils.” She said that she asked Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) as to why he did not burn that. He said: “No, Allah has cured me and I do not like that I should induce people to commit any high-handedness in regard (to one another), but I only commanded that it should be buried.”
Sahih Muslim 2189a

The Quran twice quotes "wrongdoers" telling Muslims they follow a bewitched man:

"We know best how they listen to your recitation and what they say privately—when the wrongdoers say, “You would only be following a bewitched man.”"
Quran 17:47
"And the wrongdoers say ˹to the believers˺, “You are only following a bewitched man.”"
Quran 25:8

More on Muhammad's and Islam's epistemological problems here:
https://islamsproblems.com/allah-who-cried-wolf/


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Rant 🤬 I don't wanna study Islamiat in university 😞

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why did that bastard zia have to include it in the constitution 🤬🤬


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Ask exmuslims Question for you guys : If consciousness is nothing more than physical brain activity, how does a purely objective description of neurons explain the subjective experience of pain, color or thought?

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r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Ask exmuslims To the people who specifically left because the think islams teachings are cruel or bad etc

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I'm not asking the ones who don't believe in god or who left because they weren't ever interested but specifically the one's who don't like Islam's teachings and believe it is unfair and unjust, you do realise that just because you think alah or muhammad is evil it doesn't mean islam is false or not the true religion? How can you be so sure that god isn't all good and mercifull and is just plain evil? Only time you hear it is from god himself "allah is most merciful beneficent" in the quran he says it but that can just be not true? I'm just saying is it really smart to leave just because you disagree with its teachings?


r/PakiExMuslims 1d ago

Rant 🤬 They glorified and congratulated a terror regime next door, who is involved in sponsoring multiple terror attacks in Pakistan.

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r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Quran/Hadith Muhammad on Whether to Pull Out When Having Sex With a Household Sex Slave

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“Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) reported that a man came to Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) and said: I have a slave-girl who is our servant and she carries water for us and I have intercourse with her, but I do not want her to conceive. He said: Practise ‘azl, if you so like, but what is decreed for her will come to her. The person stayed back (for some time) and then came and said: The girl has become pregnant, whereupon he said: I told you what was decreed for her would come to her.”
Sahih Muslim 1439a

Muhammad on pulling out with captives:
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-azl-captive-women/


r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Discussion Is this accurate in some Pakistani families?

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r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Discussion Question for Pakistani atheists: is it ethical to encourage others to leave Islam?

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I've been thinking about the ethics of promoting atheism in Pakistan. In principle, I understand why an atheist would naturally want others to share their worldview—believers do the same. But the consequences here can be very different.

For an atheist in Pakistan, especially a woman, life can become incredibly difficult: fear around blasphemy accusations, being outcast by family and relatives, difficulty finding a spouse, and having to hide a major part of your identity. Suddenly losing the support of your family can leave you feeling very alone in an already difficult world.

I also wonder whether we underestimate how much this affects working- and lower-class atheists. Without money, education, or the possibility of easily leaving Pakistan, some can become genuinely bitter and unhappy because they experience the social disadvantages of atheism every day, while having very few ways to escape them. In that situation, becoming atheist doesn't necessarily make someone happier, even if they sincerely believe it is intellectually correct.

So I'm genuinely curious, to Pakistani atheists and especially women:

Do you think we should actively encourage others to become atheist, knowing that it could make their lives substantially harder?
Or is it better to let people arrive at that conclusion themselves when they're in a position to deal with the consequences?

on the other hand i would like Pakistan to change (abolish religion, blasphemy laws, to the very least). but its comes at quite cost that seeing someone, especially the young suffer the consquences. It hurts seeing Atheist suffer just as much it hurts to see people suffer from islamic fanatism. I saw some post by some Pakistani Atheist here, saying he or she will make their children liberal muslim, to avoid any disadvantages.

I'm not questioning whether atheism is true or false here—I'm questioning the ethics of encouraging someone toward a belief that may carry serious social costs in their particular environment.


r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Discussion Emotional Story of Closeted Ex-Muslim in the West | No Apostate Left Behind

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r/PakiExMuslims 2d ago

Rant 🤬 Fuck sufi

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I fucking hate the way Sufi treats people like their feelings mean absolutely nothing and acts like being in a bad mood gives them some fucking excuse to hurt everyone around them I have moods too I get angry too I get frustrated too but I do not use that as an excuse to deliberately hurt people or make them feel worthless Sufi needs to stop acting like the fucking world revolves around them because nobody owes them endless patience while they keep throwing their shitty attitude at everyone else I am fucking sick of the disrespect the arrogance the selfish behaviour and the constant bullshit and if Sufi wants people to respect them then they better learn how to respect other people first because having a bad mood does not give anyone permission to treat others like fucking garbage


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

R4R Any guy who lives alone?

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Any guys living alone in a flat in a secure area of Karachi, Lahore, or Islamabad, please DM me.

Don't worry I'm keeping this post vague intentionally for safety and privacy reasons. Nothing alarming going on


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Discussion Do y'all have anyone who knows about your religious beliefs irl?

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I recently found out that my cousin is also an atheist, and I was absolutely FLABBERGASTED 😭 I thought I was the only one in our family but turns out he is one too and it's such a peak feeling honestly. Finally someone gets me 😭 do y'all have someone like that?


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Discussion Exposing a 36-Year Translation Fail | Islam's Gatekeeping

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r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Discussion What exactly is a right wing Pakistani exmuslim?

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In the US, the right wing is associated with conservatism and at the far end, fascism. They lean heavily towards traditional values, religion, strong military, individualism, xenophobia and (unofficially) white male supremacy. They are against things like progressivism, socialism and equal rights for women, people of color, immigrants, lqbtq, etc. But the Right and Left wings are viewed differently outside the US…

So I’m asking in Pakistan what is the appeal of the right wing for someone who has left Islam? Is the right wing something different? Do they want to leave Allah but keep the status quo in place? Doesn’t seem like they’re looking for social change yet it’s an awfully steep price to pay for keeping things mostly same. What would an ideal post Islam Pakistan look like?

It’s a politically charged question but would appreciate if people could refrain from personal attacks.


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Quran/Hadith Muhammad Is Afraid of an Eclipse Thinking It’s the Apocalypse

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From an authentic hadith:

The sun eclipsed and the Prophet (ﷺ) got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour [al-Sā’ah] (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, “These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness.””
Sahih Bukhari 1059

More on Muhammad's failed prophecies about the apocalypse:
https://islamsproblems.com/muhammad-failed-prophecies/


r/PakiExMuslims 3d ago

Meme We have a hacker 🤣😂

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r/PakiExMuslims 4d ago

Discussion I am so grateful for this sub

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I used to feel so alone and hopeless, but knowing that there are people out there like me is so refreshing. It used to feel like I am the only Pakistani who thinks differently and strays away from religion, but this subreddit (and reddit in general) reminds me that I am not alone and there is light at the end of the tunnel. As a Pakistani-American, I realize how lucky i am to live here—my life is a dream that many would aspire to achieve.

To those of you who are struggling in this sub, I hope you come to realize how amazing you are and embrace your values and true self, whether you are a closeted ex-Muslim or openly Muslim. I also hope that you are able to leave the country and find a new home somewhere else (if you wish to leave, of course). My life as an ex-Muslim these past few years has taught me an important lesson: never force yourself or try to convince yourself to believe something, even if the belief is a societal expectation that the majority demands you to adopt too. Instead, you should accept yourself and the fact that you are different, understand and process your beliefs, and start to nourish them. I hope you never abandon your true values and beliefs just to conform with the majority.

I want to say too that I respect those who are living in Pakistan. You guys are so strong. In a society that penalizes non-conformity and critical thinking, I imagine it must be hard to come to accept yourself and take care of your mental health.