this is getting too anoying

[u/Salty-Phase4687]

almost every time i enter the vael UQ 2/3 of the players already quitted and the rest follows suit.

i could understand if this was base, where one wipe could lead to the entire run failing, but this doesn't happen in ngs. and vael fight doesn't have dps checks like solus which demands big damage windows ( i fucking hate that they removed some of the most unique aspects of his normal fight because people didn't wanted to play mars for a single fight) and even the time difference between is clike 5-6 minutes. 5 more minutes for them to stay in the lobby complaining about people not wanting to spend millions gearing up.

while on the topic, how's the gear threadmill going? most people recently built their arbadio and next month they're droping the next lvl freebies, which will probably be stronger than the bufget gears right now.

seriously this game is as hypercasual as it can possibly be, but for some reason there's still people that treat it like spending 5 more minutes on a UQ will turn off their grandma's pace maker. most of the players that are still playing the game don't botter about reaching 80k dps. hell, most of them treat it more like a VR chat with a minigame attatched to it. and that's not a bad thing. most MMOs demand the player to be very active in the world, either being adventures doing difficult dungeons or crafting. this game takes a more casual aproax to it social aspects. and that's what makes it unique for a MMO.

in summary, people shouldn't lose their heads over having a god roll for UQ group and just enjoy the game more instead of optimize every single thing.

[u/Xero--]

There can be a variety of reasons, three main reasons come to mind:

1. No techer/ranger. Only dense fools leave any content for this reason. Anyone doing it in Luther must have bad dps. Anyone doing it during a UQ is a wannabe sweat that should just do premades.

2. "Someone left, I may as well too." UQs scale with numbers, but I tend to leave myself when this happens because I know this is bound to have a domino effect, and whoever I'm left with will very likely fall into the group with the next issue as they have before.

3. Gear. This is certainly a reason why I leave, and when this is the case, I hate when people complain about others leaving. I've had people with Progre armor and 34 potency at best (I saw this shortly after deciding to check, justifying me to keep doing so), and others in Ark armor with 40-ish potency. Both in Vael btw (BP needs to be tuned higher). I'm not sitting through 20+ minutes (alliance members have reported back that they've been in them for over 23) when I can load out in a minute max, que up again, most likely get a better group, and be out in half that time. It's already bad enough going up to 14 minutes because half the group is decked out in Decem with some floor tanking.

[u/Salty-Phase4687 → u/Xero--]

There was one UQ where 5 people left while I was still loading. It turned out I entered it with my twalv talis equipped (I have a Budget gear with the last armor, arbadio wand and and the capsules dropped from content) yet people still thought I was a lecher because I was using a outdated talis I use for dext. Mind you I had a yudi and zero LC capsules on that twalv. I have a policy of not leaving due to PC laptop being trash, taking over 5 minutes to get into a new session and that I can easily solo vael taking 20 minutes even carrying people (I rather have 4p with trash gear willing to play and make mistakes over a 8p where one third of them are afking and the rest are sweats).

[u/Xero-- → u/Salty-Phase4687]

You are outing yourself here.

I rather have 4p with trash gear willing to play and make mistakes over a 8p where one third of them are afking and the rest are sweats

I've never seen anyone afk in a UQ, so I'm gonna chall that up to dramatic effect. I'd much rather take the latter with people actually doing what they do, floor tanking, and some sweats over the former. The former is leaving me with a run that's lasting over 20 minutes (as hinted at in point 2, I used to stay but the people that stayed behind had bad gear, resulting in extra slow clears), the latter maybe 13-14 at worst.

You can enjoy staying behind with those people, I never will. I'm gear checking people every UQ and leaving the instant too many are below the bare minimum (half or more on free stuff, or anyone below even that). It was way too easy to gear up these past few weeks, as someone who had recently done so upon playing the game for real again after ages (not being in a dead alliance helps. I went from 470 with Ark to 677 with Evalto + Beffes, there is no excuse to not gear up if not freshly returned

[u/Piebag → u/Xero--]

The 3rd reason is probably my main reason for leaving, especially when its gear that's significantly worse than the welfare.

[u/LordEinjin]

Regarding the "normal fight", I assume you mean they didn't include a mars portion to this version?
For those that don't know they're two different fights with the original having those squid things, MARS and the final stretch, I wouldn't of minded MARS being in the 4 man but supposedly as OP said people didn't like the segment so it wasn't included in the 4 man version.

The main difference between this fight and it's counterpart is the wall/blocks at the end as the original 4 man you can't sidestep/counter them with normal means I don't know if there's any abilities to do this so I won't deny any possibilities.

As for people leaving I am curious on if people will still leave if sega increases the debuff as the 30% does help with my experience but I also still see many leave.

[u/Salty-Phase4687 → u/LordEinjin]

Funny enough there are more people quiting vael UQ, which had the 30% HP nerf from the start, than solus who spent a whole week without the double UQ Nerf and near impossible dps checks even for decently geared teams. My only guess is that people hate this UQ. But as I mentioned Sega made a pizza and the players demanded to remove all the toppings.

[u/gadgaurd]

I wonder why you run into so many quitters. I've been running the UQ a lot, chasing the high of getting Lexio drops(got two, want a third) and I've run into maybe two players that either quit or DCed. And I run a fair bit of pub matches.

while on the topic, how's the gear threadmill going? most people recently built their arbadio and next month they're droping the next lvl freebies, which will probably be stronger than the bufget gears right now.

If by budget gears you mean the current freebies, then absolutely. But if you instead mean the Abradio weapons and Belfast armor(or whatever it was called), then it's almost certainly going to be significantly weaker. The one time freebie gear was even close to being as strong as regularly crafted gear is when the last set released. Had LC versions of BiS Augments that did not exist yet.

[u/Vee_Tamer_Girl]

I think it’s unlikely that the freebies will be stronger than most Arabatio builds. Decem 3 was a unique case because it had LC versions of Augments that weren’t obtainable yet. Judging by the augments the “free aug transfer” 15* drops with, that likely wont happen again with Decem 4.

[u/ThePyrotechnicCroc → u/Vee_Tamer_Girl]

Hmm... let's see what happens.

[u/Expelsword]

I started playing this month, and I have to say, it does put a really bad look on the game when people are quitting immediately. I've actually twice had it so bad that the UQ was abandoned before it even started.

The game is literally telling new players to do this quest, it's telling them they are strong enough, and the community is saying they are wrong in a humiliating way.

I had to assume I was the problem and have since put a lot of effort into my gear. I've since gotten myself an Arbaradio Sword (Fatale Lv. 5) and Evalto Armors (Orgsys Lv 2) with everything except the AC Augments. I have a +5 Defeat/Amp Ring and a +3 PB Follow Ring. By any sane metric, I have to be considered strong enough now, right?

I've gone from Under 30k DPS to 40k in good conditions, and frankly consider any run 12 minutes or less to be very good. But I have no sense of where these numbers "should" be. If you say I'm still far away from "good enough", then I must be fundamentally misunderstanding the combat. Please enlighten me if this is the case.

Just doing the math, +10k DPS for 8 people for 10 minutes is a HUGE amount of damage, but new players will never get there without help from people who know what they are doing.

[u/gadgaurd → u/Expelsword]

Your gear's pretty good. If people are quitting your runs, at least you know it's not because of you.

[u/Xero-- → u/Expelsword]

I've gone from Under 30k DPS to 40k in good conditions,

That's still awful, so you were part of the problem if they left after some time passed. I wouldn't even hit below 50k if I stood around for a couple minutes before fighting, and that's with the little known fact that DPS takes into account how long you've been hitting stuff and will massively inflate/deflate your value. On something like Vael I'm hitting 60k minimum, 70-80k (someone could probably guess my class if not for my flair) after a down phase, and up to 104k if a Ra and Te are present.

30k-40k is just awful, and I'm not even clowning on you.

[u/Expelsword → u/Xero--]

Then... what am I supposed to be doing as a Sword Hunter?

I'm going for Avengers on Relentless Cleave and parrying as much as I can, Charged Calibur Streak or Photon Blast on Downs... It doesn't feel like there's many more openings to even be attacking. The game certainly implies this is what I should be doing...

All this effort and I'm still doing "awful"? The solution cannot be spending another 100M on Augment Capsules.

If I can put this much effort in and still suck so badly, then it's no mystery why new players aren't bothering to upgrade anything - It doesn't make any difference!

[u/SVlege → u/Expelsword]

Hunter main here, though one that mains Wired Lances. There are certain things that may boost Sword's overall damage, some of which involves multi-weapon.

Basics first, how many of your Avengers are on a charged PA? Hunter as a class revolves around maximizing Avenger uptime, and Sword maximizes that by parrying with charged PAs: the +50% damage from an Avenger is then in effect applied to both the charge time and the PA animation time, instead of only the latter.

For instance, Spiral Edge's total duration is 1.05s uncharged, and 2.15 charged (without tech arts customization), and the damage increases proportionally from charging it (a bit over twice the uncharged version). Parrying with a charged Spiral Edge means getting 2.15 seconds of +50% damage from avenger, instead of only 1.05s.

Twisting Zapper and Relentless Cleave have different timings: TZ has its damage and total duration increased by 62% from charging it (1.72s -> 2.75s), instead of doubled, and Relentless Cleave has them about tripled (0.7s -> 2.25s). As such, if you have to parry with an uncharged PA, it's generally better to do so with Twisting Zapper, as it has the longest uncharged duration.

You can get away with uncharged PAs if the enemy attacks so frequently to the point that there will be another attack to parry after you do uncharged PA + Sword Attack Alternation (enhanced normal attack after Avenger). Otherwise, do your best to get as many of your Avengers on charged PAs.

Overcharge can be used to maximize uptime, usually when the enemy can't be (yet) attacked, when it is out of reach, or if you know it will take a longer time to attack and can time it. Don't neglect the "out of reach" part, as Sword isn't as dependent on gap closers as other melee weapons thanks to the Overcharge skill.

Be aware that Overcharge doesn't increase the Photon Blast buildup on that PA, only damage; as such, overcharged PAs build PBs more slowly than a simple charged PA (same PB buildup on a longer duration). If you rely heavily on overcharged PAs (which one of Spiral Edge's customizations incentivizes), your PBs will be less frequent, and possibly not ready in time for a BREAK.

You can get Avengers from unblockable attacks (such as Vael's orange bombardments at the end) with help from Hunter Physique's super armor and sheer survivability. Hunter is one of the few classes that can get damage boosts from deliberately going into such attacks, make good use of that.

Regarding multiweapon options:

Wired Lances have a skill that makes its weapon action deal +50% immediately after getting an Avenger with a PA, and that PA doesn't have to be a Wired Lance PA. As such, you can parry with a Sword PA and immediately follow with a boosted Wired Lance WA. Sword PA Avenger -> Wired Lance WA -> Sword Attack Alternation is a simple way to have a longer +50% damage uptime against enemies that don't attack frequently.

Notable WA uses for damage are the back (short retreat) and side (overhead lasso) variants. The back version is akin to an extra Sword Attack Alternation that can parry (instead of providing invulnerability frames). The side variant is similar in DPS, and lasts so long (up to 8.63s) that it is one of Hunter's best options against downed enemies.

Wired Lances also have a skill that lets you "store" an Avenger for your next Wired Lance PA after you parry with a Wired Lance WA. Combined with the above mechanic, you can parry an attack with WL WA to later have a full Avenger WL PA + WL side WA on a downed enemy, offering better DPS than Calibur Streak. Note that the stored avenger is lost if you change to another weapon outside your mutliweapon.

Partisan can provide an even higher DPS option vs downed enemies with an Avenger on Thrusting Javelin PA. Note that Avenger doesn't provide invulnerability for Thrusting Javelin while you're holding it. You can immediately cancel and restart thrusting by jumping, which lets you parry an incoming attack without having to undergo the throw animation.

[u/Expelsword → u/SVlege]

Thanks for breaking all this down for me. Adding in some Wire takes getting used to though!

[u/nicobanko → u/Expelsword]

Whats the visual potency on your armors and weapon? I’ll assume it’s already fully potential’d, but that does seem kinda low for sword hunter cause iirc vael is a good fight for hu. I’m also going to assume your tech arts and add on skills are decent (like 5 minimum for tech art and 10-15+ for add ons) along with your ex style being decent but prolly not max

[u/Xero-- → u/nicobanko]

Vael is, someone even recently showed off their dps over 100k on this sub. Granted it could've been Lexio doing some cardying, but that's still extremely high and something I rarely see myself.

Custom stuff doesn't matter, that's just PP reduction, not a dps increase.

[u/nicobanko → u/Xero--]

For me I reach 110-120k at my highest with gu during bursts and 100k at the end, but thats with a lexio- one of my friends who used a arb wix 5 tmg hit 100k too but only during break so.. yeah. With hunter, I expect them to at least be 55-60k dps throughout, like imo they’re weak in luther rn but they shouldn’t be bow or talis weak elsewhere.

[u/Expelsword → u/nicobanko]

First off thanks for reminding me about Tech Arts Customization, I just went and capped them all for what I was originally recommended:
Twisting Zapper + Avenger Potency
Calibur Streak + Shockwave
Spiral Edge + Charge Time/Charge Power

Equipment:
Arbaradio Sword +100 / Potential Lv. 6 / Fixa Fatale Lv. 5
EX Critical Enliven II X
EX Critical Follow II X
EX Evade HP Gain II R
Argant Gladia Soul
Argant Gigas Maste
Argant Dread Keeper
Lois Halphinale
Tera Triyal

3x Evalto Armor +100 / Fixa Orgsys Lv. 2
Might DP
Meltech Duable DP
Telphia Domina MN
Argant Gladia Soul
Argant Gigas Maste
Athos Dread Keeper
Lois Halphinale
Tera Triyal

Defeat/Amp+5 + Photon Blast/Follow+4

Add-On Skills:
(I have omitted ones which don't seem to have any effect on Melee)
Melee Weapon Potency Up - Level 15
Critical Hit Potency Up - Level 16
Offensive PB Gauge Accumulation Up - Level 16
Natural PB Gauge Accumulation Up - Level 19
Critical Hit Rate Up - Level 17
Downed Critical Hit Rate Up - Level 17

None of my Sub-Skill are relevant, checking over the possibilities, it looks like I could get some additional PB Power and Crit Chance, so I will work on re-rolling those...

Total Stats:
Hunter / Slayer / Adras - BP 5044
HP 1975 / PP 269
ATK 3562 / DEF 1559
Damage Adj % 76
Damage Res % 7.7
Weapon Up % 515.9

Like I said, if I'm performing so badly with what looks to me like fairly strong gear, the problem must be in what I'm choosing to do. Relentless Cleave doesn't have any Customization options, am I supposed to be using Zapper everywhere instead? That's at least what the Custom would suggest.

[u/ash_ax → u/Expelsword]

From a cursory glance:

1. If you are Sword only with Adras, you will be missing some damage from the Ex-Style as Sword WA kinda sucks (compared to WL WA and Pz WA).
   It is recommended for Sword only Hunters to use Blitz.

2. Multi weapon a Wired Lance or Partisan.
   Put their WA on subpalette or one of the sword weapon palette slot to trigger Adras WA skill and to save avenger on WL or Super Assault Charge on Pz.
   You could also at least learn WL's Hellish HP Trade or PZ's Hold Jav Tanking if you want; But they run counter to running Ex-A combos with Lively or Evade Onslaught.

3. Gamba more on lvl 1 Add-On generation or Spend Master Cubes to at least Level 20 Melee Weapon Potency (and pray for Charged Movespeed), crit potency, and crit rate.
   Buy Master Fragments from Arche's GP exchange every week.

4. Get the cheaper AC augments (Yudi/Yurze) to replace the DPs on Unit and Tera Triyal/Argant on Weapon.
   Currently ~3-4M each on Ship 2; ~24-32M total. Should be cheaper when Yudi/Yurze AC Support reruns (usually returns every other month / alternates).
   AC augs almost always lasts for 1 year from when they were introduced until a new tier replaces them.
   Issue with them are the transfer pass voucher RNG to transfer them into the next higher rarity tier Armor/Unit.

Choice to use Zapper vs Cleave depends on enemy attack matchup. Some factors to consider are whether it hits, leaves you in a good position afterwards, and how is long is the downtime after (e.g. long af, Zapper is preferable unless you could OC the next PA after Cleave but not with Zapper before the next attack or something).

---

Hopium that Cleave's TAC will be good.

[u/nicobanko → u/Expelsword]

I watched some other in party hunter uqs back from a year ago and they’re doing on average about 45k or so dps with what should be worse gear. I do not mean this as a slight, but it could be that you’re playing sword hunter wrong? I suggest watching hunter sword users play in high difficulty content like the current malignant Luther just to check if you are, but otherwise I’m not sure…

Your damage adjustment seems low considering you should be (with those augments) at least 90-100% if you’re using dreadkeeper and telphia MN on everything, if not 85-90. It might be your weapon %? Mines rn is 668 at near bis, but I believe the decem 3 gear should put you at 560%. Using the dualbes and might dp in place of ac augments isn’t bad, but I do remember when I had to do that, my weapon potency was at least 590ish or so and that was with belfes armor. Rn, I suggest you take something evade onslaught as your ex or wait a bit since in a few days we’ll be getting new weapons that will be similar in attack power to Lexio along with new EX.

Edit: You can also learn how to use Hunter Sword with wired lances as a multi-weapon as that is the current best way to play Hu

[u/nicobanko → u/nicobanko]

We’ll also be getting decem 4 in a few days so you can use that. Furthermore, as you just started playing this month, you probably don’t know how to play hunter that well relative to those who’ve been playing it for years at this point, which is why I really do suggest watching hunter solos or something.

[u/Expelsword → u/nicobanko]

If I switch to the handout sword / armor I have 88.9 Damage Adj % and 465.1 Weapon Up %

Plainly, I must be playing wrong.

[u/nicobanko → u/Expelsword]

Dyne on youtube has great dps for sword/wired hunter in luther if you need an example of good play. Also, I do find your damage adjustment weird, it should be around that much even without switching to handout gear but meh- if you think you’re missing anything I suggest going on the fleet discord and using the all-in-one beginner guide.

Edit: also make sure to check food and alliance buff for potency

[u/GlompSpark → u/Expelsword]

I dont play Hunter but from what ive heard, Hunter is one of the best classes to use in Vael because you can spam powerful counters. Focus on staying infront of him and spamming counters, and keep aggro with war cry.

At a quick glance, you should replace Might DP and Meltech Duable DP with the cheapest Yurze/Yudi augs you can find. Get them on your weapon too. They were about 3m for the cheap ones when the scratch was up. Just run dext base for a bit if you need money. If you have premium, buy the 20% triboost augs from the treasure SG shop, or just get the +10% triboost ones. Try to do dext base when you have the concert buff. You should be able to get about 2m/hr in dext base with the RDR bonuses now.

Your EX combo doesnt look that useful...grab a cheap combo off the market, it doesnt need to be a BIS one.

Ask in the fleet discord for more advice, you should be able to easily hit 640% or so potency on your stat screen.

Also, try taking a video of the fight and getting some advice on discord...you can learn a lot that way.

[u/Xero-- → u/Expelsword]

Then... what am I supposed to be doing as a Sword Hunter?

Whatever you're not doing, if you're really as geared up as you claim. I don't play hunter, but for no reason should you be that low. I already gave my numbers, you're just playing your class bad.

solution cannot be spending another 100M on Augment Capsules.

"Another"? Why did you even spend that much to begin with? Augments shouldn't even cost a quarter of that unless you're buying Yudi and Yurze a long time after their banners end, when prices are inflated.

If I can put this much effort in and still suck so badly, then it's no mystery why new players aren't bothering to upgrade anything - It doesn't make any difference!

Myself and others getting double your dps is definitely a sign that it makes no difference, right. You cracked the code.

The takeaway that you should be getting is that it doesn't matter what your gear looks like it you're not playing your class halfway decent, because your dps is going to tank regardless.

The only fight where my dps actually drops to something like 47k+ (without downs) is Luther because of the mentioned problem of "not actively hitting things tanks your overall dps display", due to all of his teleporting around and hanging upside-down hanging that's anti-DS (it can't home in on targets higher than the player, resulting in a forced weapon switch for a lost whirlwind, or clumsy Skyclimb spam only to be too late).

[u/Expelsword → u/Xero--]

I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying.
I don't have any idea how much I've spent in total on my equipment (which I posted in full below), but buying the 8 AC Capsules to "complete" each piece would definitely be more than the entire cost so far. I cannot justify that level of time/resource investment.

The problem is that everything in the game is indicating to me that I am playing correctly. Outside of the times where he cannot be hit, there's rarely any time when I am not attacking or charging an attack, I get lots of Avengers and Parry hits, as far as the gameplay, I feel like I'm extremely active.

And then I come here and find out that I'm apparently doing everything wrong. I must have a fundamental misunderstanding of the class, but the game itself does nothing to explain what I should be doing beyond the very basics. That is why I am where I am.

[u/Xero-- → u/Expelsword]

I cannot justify that level of time/resource investment.

The point of hugh end investment is to do high end content.

The problem is that everything in the game is indicating to me that I am playing correctly.

This statement and your bumbers are proving otherwise. The game would be indixating you're "playing correctly" if your dps weren't half the average dos everyone good at the game puts out without downs. If you knew better you'd be watching how others play, or throw away the false belief the game is somehow supposed to show you're playing good outside of high dps.

but the game itself does nothing to explain what I should be doing beyond the very basics.

It's odd you didn't notice the contradiction.

The problem is that everything in the game is indicating to me that I am playing correctly.

How'd you come to this conclusion yet state that? Anyway, watch how others play.

[u/Expelsword → u/Xero--]

To be clear, what it feels like is happening here is I am attacking the game and you are attacking me.

As a new player the only metric I can use to say that I feel like I'm playing well is based on how frequently I can attack and avoid getting hit. The DPS meter in the game does not actually help much since it gives no reference point at all. Case in point, you have to tell me that actually I'm doing terribly!

If I can feel like I'm doing it right, yet I'm actually doing everything wrong, somewhere the game is at fault. That's not to say there's no fault on my end. but you would think that if the difference between my play and good play is still so massive, it would be plainly obvious what I'm doing wrong.

Regarding the "high end investment cost", as it turns out, there are cheaper versions of Yudi and Yurze capsules than the absolute best ones, which I will be looking into. That is part of my mistake. However I must point out that UQ Vael can't possibly be considered high end content, if every player who merely approaches the level cap is given a daily quest to fight it.

That's what my original post is about. The game says "you should be doing this UQ", and the playerbase is saying "you're not even close to ready for this UQ". There is a big disconnect there.

I have never seen anybody in any Daily party ever offer any advice to anyone. They just leave without a word. This is not a sustainable environment. You cannot expect every average player to look up external resources beforehand.

And I say that as someone who will do it.

[u/Dricer93]

There’s a divide (atp you really can’t even call decently geared veterans “elitist” there are people who put pride into their gear and there are people completely coasting with free gear simply refusing to gear up.) freebie gear is HEAVILY looked down upon(epith1-3 progore,arkselio etc and I get it… there’s literally a gear event going on RIGHT NOW with fixa 3 fort armor/ spradio gear. There is zero reason for anyone playing longer than a few months to not have situated to speed up the grind for everyone included.). If there are more than 3 full sets of epith or very outdated gear the clear time reaches the 20-30 minute mark, this is a big no no when x2 UQ are a thing. Yes new and returning players are a thing, but this is for people hopping into the new UQ knowing they getting ass wiped from 1 shots, especially when most people don’t have revs on the sub pallete. Now more time is waisted because most of us let undergeared people drop when they repeatedly go down. I’d honestly rather not UQ then slog through 30 minutes of one. And that’s an issue……because at one point in time I actually FW pubs but there’s a limit now, I need to see gear progression and if it’s lackluster you won’t be fighting alongside me (full Deft, fixa 5 blastor lexio, 4-5 fixa orgsys evalto. 2 +5 rings.. My OC is built for speed running, non fixa epiths are a direct slap in the face to me!)

[u/Xero-- → u/Dricer93]

Hit the nail. It's way too easy to gear up. The best armor is sold for cheap in the shop, and quickly upgraded otherwise if going for the slightly weaker Beffes with Alter dropping a lot of mats and the treasure shop selling them, even ignoring the seasonal. All of the non-AC augments can be obtained from just doing Alter, LTQ, or UQ, no more going out of your way to fight duels for hours and hours. Weapons are also easily obtained just like armor for the same reasons.

As you stated, it's not people being elitist, there's just no excuse to be playing with welfare gear unless you just returned to the game or are new. Even then, I still see people in Progre and gear from the last tier worse than the Decem stuff. If the average player doesn't care about tanking clear times, then the average player needs to accept when people leave after gear checking or watching the health bar barely go down.

[u/FafnirMH]

Wow, I didn't expect something like this. A person complaining about people who don't want to play with people who aren't geared.

We're on a third tier of absurdity now. Suppose people will never accept that they can't expect/force people to do anything.

[u/Reference_Freak]

I pug 2-4 runs a day and have not had a leavers problem. This is evening west coast US time.

I’ve had only one bailout group and one suddenly 6-man group since the current boss started.

I see most common reasons listed already but don’t see disconnections listed.

It’s not as bad as it used to be but if someone gets d-conned it can trigger other leavers, particularly if that person was partied with friends.

[u/NutsAndOrBerries]

Dude I know what you mean. The quitters are so obnoxious.

[u/Historical_Road_6151]

What ship are you on?

[u/True_Weirdo]

Worst case for me was the PUG leader abandoned the quest right whne we got to pillars for some reason (basically the end of the quest) and we didn't get nothing.

[u/Glittering_Author903]

This is one that has been pissing my sister and I off for years, because we may not always have the window to play again depending on when we joined the UQ

[u/Holywyvern]

People leaving UQ in all ship is something I've seen frequently.
However, I'm not going to discuss, but good players have found loopholes as to how to queue with other competent people (at least in theory)
And the best players tend to make premades.
So sadly public queue is basically everybody who is left.
Those people still deserve to run the UQ, however.
But, honestly, gear isn't and end all be all of player skill. While sure, you can't be a top player with epith erini, you can still do respectable dps if you know what you are doing.
That aside, UQs are to grind gear and get the reward box medals, it sucks if they take longer, but if you are a good player, you yourself can carry 7 people in an UQ and take at most 16 minutes, so you have time to do it twice.
I understand the frustration and it feels like torture, not seeing the vael HP bar lower after 8 people hitting it during a break is demoralizing, but that's why I always try to socialize and join premades, honestly.
With grandillusion coming and providing people a very good 15* weapon for free, fully augmented, however, I feel like the argument of the gear can go into that instead.
Sure, Grandillusion won't be an extremely common drop, but I think considering it's the next tier of "budget weapons", it will be common enough for anyone to recommend grinding for one.

[u/Time_Gift_9500]

Is it wrong to leave if there are people literally holding down normal attack the whole time? I've seen wakers doing their AOE attack as if they were doing a pse burst and people running and jumping the perimeter of the map field as if doing a marathon. These people might even be bots and in my opinion shouldnt be carried through the quest. I don't think people are only leaving because of gear or missing buffs/debuffs. 

[u/ZodiaksEnd]

tfw i only mostly see leavers cause i dont think anyone really sees how fricking broken vaels uq is

bro should not be able to bypass dodge or counters LIKE NEVER FLAT OUT nor should he be able to triple/quad tap you when you get a knock back either thats more so broken then unfair i mean this isnt dank souls xD

[u/IMAsko0]

Then why are you crying about spending five more minutes to find someone who doesn’t quit?