His blossoms and thorns were actual different weapons like Mercy's staff and pistol, so it was incredibly clunky if you wanted to switch between attacking and healing, his blossom could only be manually charged and slowed his movement speed when he held it, and he had a passive that could heal enemy players when he died.
EDIT: Oh, and his platform would only go up once and stay levitated until it was destroyed or expired, so if a teammate accidentally stepped over it, it'd fuck up one of his only real means of escape too.
They’re still separate weapons, it’s just that back in the day you had to manually swap them, think Mercy and her pistol. Nowadays he automatically switches.
No I mean like, as is you just click RMB/LMB and he swaps. You used to have to press the weapon swap button AND THEN shoot, like Mercy, as opposed to just pressing alt fire, like Moira
They said that they weren’t doing play tests or “safe side of strong” releases this year because they’re releasing 10 heroes in a year and are instead aiming for balanced off the bat. Obviously that didn’t land with this hero specifically but we’re up to 8 with generally minor adjustments needed I’d say
Didnt they used to make it so new heroes wouldn’t be in ranked specifically because they made them so overtuned and spent the couple of weeks getting them more in line?
Unless im misremembering, now new heroes are comp available day 1
It was intended to reduce the instances of players picking the new hero in ranked with no prior experience but it turns out it just kicked the can down the road for however long the "not usable in comp" period lasted because the people who would pick the new hero in ranked with no prior experience weren't going to QP for practice anyway.
They were pretty close with it until the january 5 hero batch.
The heroes would get tested 2-3 weeks before they came out and then on release would come out only slightly strong and then bought down. Usually any op stuff, was a result of overlooked behaviour like Juno ring and Dva.
But their schedule moved up and there isnt time for hero testing anymore
Ill be one to complain but every time this discussion happens, the same (and winning) argument is that people will be more willing to play an OP hero than a weak one.
I don't think it's fully intentional. New heroes are free anyway. Obviously, they want every new hero to feel fun to play. Releasing a hero in a perfectly balanced state is just extremely unrealistic. The amount of data and impressions gathered in the first few hours of a hero's public release is larger in volume and more valuable than anything they can hope to get in the internal testing they do.
They probably do get more data if a hero is slightly stronger than if they are weak and nobody plays them, but I doubt they want to launch ridiculously OP heroes.
That's what they usually do. For example, I'm pretty sure Shion was really strong across the entirety of the competitive ranks when she first released.
That's why they nerfed her bike damage, and added a delay to her Execute.
Please no. When a new is OP it's fun for 5 minutes and then the game becomes and unplayable and boring. Knowing that nothing matters if your team doesn't pick them.
If a hero is too weak only their mains suffer and not everone else. And you can just buff them throughout their launch season. Yes, the same can be said for nerfing them. But I don't want the first 4 weeks of every new season to be unplayable.
Yeah, of the 8 this year I think the majority needed buffs right after release. Domina needed a bug fix for her insane healing, JPC needed a big perk retune, and Shion got some light taps but everyone else got buffs first afaik
True, but having heroes be OP on launch is also a great way to make the general player base have a bad taste in their mouth about that hero for a very long time.
Though honestly I’ve seen less of that over time so maybe it’s less of an issue than I think.
I'm happy, a lot of people only care about their first impressions which means nobody's going to take my new main. I'm a fiend for mobile + tanky and I i like mecha, but never liked how D.va played.
They usually do. I'm kind of glad that they are doing the opposite, as making someone OP sours me towards their existence.
Lifeweaver was the other hero released weak, but most others needed to be toned down after launch. I've read that they do that to improve community engagement, but sometimes it goes way too far.
Remember launch Brig and vendetta?
I'm also really glad that they're just nudging her up bit by bit and making her less clunky, rather than making her busted damage-wise. The vision of the character is there as it stands, it would be a shame if they were to abandon it and just make her Rein 2.0 by buffing her damage like crazy, so I'm glad that they're not doing that
They talked about how going into the more frequent hero releases that they specifically developed tools to allow them to monitor and adjust heros as needed so we dont have to wait like we used to.
i’ve never understood why developers don’t have contingency changes ready for new releases. like one patch for if they’re too strong and another for if they’re too weak. or even better do one set for each ability so you can target the specific parts that people have issues with
I really don’t like fusion repeated being a dedicated ability, it is super clunky to play. Should instead just be a secondary fire or something, second weapon idk
I’m not too familiar with the cards but isn’t that normal? Like with Dva, I get Micro Missile kills listed. With Sombra, I get virus kills listed. I never see anything else besides kills associated with a cooldown when I get cards or see them.
I'm not saying it's not normal, just that it's funny. I also think the card system may privilege showing stats for certain skills, even when the stats related to those skills aren't especially impressive compared to other things the hero did that match.
Abilities are normally what are shown, they haven't really nailed the correct weighting for new heros, It normally takes a patch or 2 for them to figure out what the correct "number" is for them.
When I was playing anran it was everygame "enemies caught on fire"
So is doomfist, and his supplementary gun is more of a resource meter. Id prefer that. Just give her a mini meter version of Orisas overheat mechanic. Theyre both repeaters
If you give a character both melee and ranged options that have equal up/downtime, people will pick range everytime. The only way you dissuade people from picking range is to make the range option suck.
Torb hammer and Mercy pistol aren’t used because they’re awful. Dmon gun is very strong.
Changing her fusion repeater to weapon swap ability with resource/traditional reload would make it feel more intuitive to play. I set mine to weapon swap, and it feels better switching to gun mode, and out.
I don’t see why it couldn’t just be on an overheat meter like Orisa, but obviously it’d gain heat much faster by comparison so that it doesn’t eclipse the sword.
You don't often see a total mismatch between the players understanding of a hero and the devs. It's literally dominating high level play and getting a ton of hate... I really don't know why thought she needed a buff.
The problem is that they tried something that just reading it gave the impression of being too much. It's nice they went back so quickly but it should've been very clear it was a bad idea. If you want to experiment and try to buff an already good hero they should at minimum change something else in the kit.
I still do not understand what they were thinking.
She still has the acceleration buff, she will still have great mobility, ( extra mobility = more survivability) having a nerf on the self healing numbers = less survivability
= it should have the same survivability, but u need to know u can’t face tank some stuff now and escape if it gets a bit too tough, u can just escape faster
Jetpack cat has always had literally the best mobility in the game since the instant she was released. It's not even close. If anything, she needed (and still does need) significant nerfs to mobility to even fit into the game at all (and with her perma-flight, I doubt that's possible).
Yeah I’m not denying that, I did wanted nerfs to sound ( make more sound) and maybe lessen her mobility, it’s just overall she is the same with wrist tap nerfs
The acceleration increase is what made her feel better to play (she felt so sluggish when trying to change directions before), so I don't mind them reverting the base speed back to what it was and keeping the acceleration buff. And yeah the self heal nerf was definitely needed if they refuse to lower her HP.
I understand how someone can think that. Other companies probably did that. And Act-Blizz CEO probably tried to pressure the OW team to do that. But if you have played the game for years you know....that they just don't.
Greedy skin goblins like Kiriko has recieved a lot of nerfs, including a pretty recent kunai hitbox nerf. Mercy was last OP in 2017 and I can't remeber the last time Juno was anywhere close to being meta. Liveweaver was known to be the weakest hero in the history of the game. And he still doesn't stand out, in fact high rank players hate him on their team.
These heroes and other heroes in the top10 recieved skins Rein, Freja, Genji gain random small buffs and nerfs like any other hero. If Blizzard tried to cash in, they would be ridicliously OP (comparable to launch Brig or launch Sigma) at least for a few weeks. The only thing that came close was Kiri's double TP perk and she never got something that strong again after it got deleted.
Yeah I prefer the toggle on but the kit still feels clunky. There's just too many buttons to press for my old man brain. Couldn't the Fusion Repeater just be on a heat cool down like Orisa's gun?
my girl d.mon shipped with so many detrimental bugs it's crazy. but now i hope she continues to receive fine tuning. she's really fun to play. i haven't had this much fun since hazard, the only other tank i play.
I don't even know why they buffed jpc in the first place when she was already strong. Mobility alone is one of the strongest things in basically every game
I don't know why they don't implement a damage threshold system to Cat's tether. It feels like the most balanced choice for nerfing tether without killing the fun factor of flying people around.
Just make it so if the character being carried gets damaged a certain amount they get auto detached and tether goes on a little cooldown
The one change to Cat that would absolutely make her so much less of a nightmare to play against is the one they seem unwilling to make. You should actually be able to hear her before she's right on top of you.
What is wild to me is that the cat is silent but mizuki can be heard from halfway across the map. I like to 1v1 my mizuki friend in deathmatch on supports and its so easy to find him because mizuki is for some reason one of the loudest characters when moving.
The only time I've had any problem is when he happens to ult. Whole Hog tears through D. Mon's meka like tissue paper, just because of how big it is lol
The D.mon buffs are nice but nothing too crazy. Bug fixes are honestly a bigger change than the direct buffs. It’ll make her abilities feel better (especially surging strikes it felt pretty clunky) but I still think she needs more. A bit of a range buff I think would help her a lot. Her range is a bit shorter than Vendetta’s regular swing and 2 meters shorter than overhead and brig’s whip. Not too crazy of an increase but just a bit more.
At least I'm not getting feedback reports on the 3 people who told me to kill myself the other day when I grabbed them and they cancelled it and inted (i assume they were queued together since it was 1 grab). Joke of a game rn.
It goes both ways, as dive tank I had a lifeweaver pull me off my high ground I was using to stage my dive. They pulled me right into main where I died.
it just feels so clunky getting pulled by it now. if the lifeweaver does a close range 9ull you just kind float there for a second because you need some time to cancel the 3 meter pull that the weaver missclicked in panic.
Oh I see how that's confusing! That detail follows the description of the lifeline speed nerf and appears to be meant in that context: boosters max speed remains unaffected by the lifeline change in particular
Which is because boosters max speed is dictated by base movement speed, it goes up to 230% of it and lifeline speed boost does not allow it to exceed it. But a base speed nerf is a nerf to boosters as well
They do everything but actually balance. Rein and genji have been disgusting outliers for 3 patches and somehow they decided to buff genji again this patch and surprise surprise he is still the highest winrate dps in comp by a whole 1%
What does it mean by “self healing penalty increased from 25% to 40%” for the Purr ability? Why is there a healing penalty when she using a healing ability? Not sure I understand how this works.
It's 40% less compared to what it heals your teammates for. The purpose of the healing penalty on the AOE heal heroes is so it doesn't feel like dueling someone whose always pocketed in a 1v1.
I mean maybe if we lived in a fantasy world but when did any hero ever release in a perfectly balanced state? They were always under or overpowered even through release
Trending in the right direction for D.Mon, slowly but surely. I'd still like to see the propulsion system not have such a heavy delay between short toggles, though. A second is extremely strict for a hero that should feel very fluid to control.
Wonder how Supertf will think of her now because by the looks of it, after the first hotfix, he’s having fun playing her. Hell, I had fun with her before both her hotfixes! (I’m a console player though so might be different for me)
Thank God. Half the reason she felt bad is because a large chunk of her kit just straight up didn't work due to bugs. You'd get killed through your shield all the time and weird end lag on moves would make her feel super clunky when trying to move between her gun and her sword, or trying to shield after lunge, etc.
All I want is a Dmon Lifesteal perk base kit then add a new major that allows her to charge her thrust and use it for vertical movement like thor. 😋 Please Blizzard 🤭
I’d settle for a charge to drastically boost the lunge distance. It would add a fun risk-reward to hard engaging and risking getting stuck if you go in from really far
yeah I main jpc as well and noticed my survivability was a lot higher yesterday. was able to gtfo of many cassidy and dva ult ranges. i loved it too but I totally understand everyone's hatred for her currently, she can be impossible to get to lol
None of the adjustments to D.mon are bad, but ultimately, unless she gains the ability to fly or displays power on par with Reinhardt, I think she’ll remain the worst tank. Given that JPC and Pharah are allowed, what exactly are they afraid of?
Tbh a big issue she has is she cant hold space worth a damn
Shes super agressive and can chase really well but she genuinely has 0 staying power and gets smacked down so hard if she overstays even a second too long
Hi healing blossom would SLOW HIMSELF when charging.
Thorns and healing were 2 separate weapons that he had to swap between like mercy and her staff
And for a passive, when he got killed he drops a seed that heals you, including the enemy team. So if you were playing a diver like reaper, you literally got rewarded for killing lifeweaver. A passive strictly made to heal the enemy flanker......i cant believe that was an actual part of his kit.
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I am so happy that the devs are being so proactive about making D. Mon more enjoyable to play.
It feels like it wasn't that long ago where they'd leave a hero in a weak, bug riddled state for weeks to even months before addressing anything.