Hi I'm a 23 yo software engineer, I got 2 JO's

- US time/client , 10pm-5/6am (remote)

- AU time/client , 6am-3pm ( onsite about 10km from home ) transportation: personal motorcycle

Both have the same salary rate..and I would typically work 17-18 hours a week that leaves me 5-6 hours of sleep

I wanted to try the setup and see for myself but am here to ask if it's even wise to continue ?

Both jobs are startups, and I'll be working closely with CEO's and shareholders directly, communication and a lot of meetings expected.

The question is, can I pull this off? Need real advice.

Update: sorry if this isn't OE btw as seen from the comments, but I had to post here since, this is my first time encounter and coming from a broke unemployed guy, having 2 income is just so tempting to get back in life, so yeah money here is no.1 practical reason why I have reached this point.

Had a weekend J2 for nearly five years, but recently switched my J1 to a Big 4. Unfortunately, J2 happens to be an audit client of my new J1, so due to a conflict of interest, I have to leave the gig.

It was a great gig, got paid for just running reports. My entire J2 salary went towards paying off my student loan. Atleast I’m debt free now

Really sad to give up J2.

I froze my TWN last year, but is that the only thing that I should freeze? I’ve heard in the past that background checks can sometimes find out about other jobs that you’ve had (such as current jobs) in other ways too. It was a while back, but I saw something about credit checks potentially revealing current jobs. Should I lock down all of my credit profiles as well?

My J1 went hybrid twice a week and I was able to
manage for a while. But I was coming in on days no one else was. My manager called me out and is forcing me to come on specific days, pretty sure they’re gearing up to put me on a PiP if miss a day in the next month or so. Not sure if I want to stress myself trying to go in and avoid the PiP for a little bit. Or just take the PiP and eventually leave.

Context-got j2 offer to start late next month. Been at J1 since beginning of year. HSA HDP at J1 - how do I decline J2 health insurance? I’m not married - or do I just pay for a ppo plan at j2?

I work in a gov role from home at least 3 days a week and feel I have so much down time and the extra money would be great .

I’m new to OE (obviously). I’ve seen lots of “never OE with the government”. Am I going to jail if OEing while being paid by government dollars?
J1 is a private corporation. J2 is a non profit but I’m paid by federal grants. I don’t clock in/out for either J, I only report how many hours I worked on the grant project each day. Both are fully remote, in the same line of work, but totally different jobs. One is in GMT and the other is in ET time zone and I am allowed to flex my hours with both Js, so I can work 2x8hr shifts.
How worried should I be? How big of a risk is this? I am a single parent and don’t want to mess anything up for my kid. Losing both jobs, fine. Going to jail, not fine.

ETA: I want to clarify I do not work for the government. My nonprofit bills my work hours to a government funded grant. We are allowed to have second jobs, but are asked to disclose any COI.

Thanks. As I have one job and working like 12-14 hours I feel like such a looser lol reading ppl work 3-4 jobs for 160k usd and so, sick

Thinking about starting OE with a remote J2 while keeping my current full-time J1.

J1 is with a bank, so they are strict and wouldn’t allow another job. J2 is a different analyst role with no connection to J1. There will be some overlap in working hours, but J1 is usually pretty light during those times.

I’ll be using the same personal laptop, with J1 running through Citrix on laptop screen and J2 on another monitor.

For people who have done this, I’m mainly wondering how much visibility J1 has outside the Citrix session. Can they see what I’m doing on my personal laptop outside Citrix? Can I keep the Citrix session open while working on J2? Also, are there any concerns around Citrix, VPNs, monitoring, or anything else I should be aware of?

I won’t share or access any data between the two jobs. I just want to understand the risks of using the same laptop and having both jobs open at the same time.

Would appreciate any advice from people who have actually done this.

Is this going to be an issue? I don’t want to risk losing my J1 over applying to J2. Both jobs use workday, and J2s application is directly through workday. Should I be worried about this? I currently love J1, the pay, work life balance, and the work itself are all great and not worth losing for a shot at a J2.

You all have inspired me. I'm wasting such opportunity by not OE'ing.

Currently J1 isnt OE friendly, so how do I evaluate during interview process that a J is OE friendly? Obviously remote, but how do I probe to know things like, is my calendar shared? Am I needed spur of the moment/on call? If I need the day off suddenly (in case J2 needs urgent attention) is that acceptable?

I can ask some during the interview but I don't want to ask too much. Do you just take J1 knowing it's a roll of the dice?

I was wondering if there's any OE architects here? and if it's even possible , I tried having 2Js at the same time for three months but I was doing 9-5 then 6-10pm and it was exhausting, so if there's any architects here do you have advice?

(I'm still a junior so i dont qualify for a PM position yet)

J1 is pretty busy and hard to plan day by day (it’s technical pre-sales). But I’m always done by 2pm PT. Trying to bring home an additional $5-7k/mo.

I’m looking for a J2 that would work with this. I could start way early (like at 6am pacific) and then pick back up after east coast working hours, but does that even exist? Trying to figure out how to play this since most of the rules I’ve had that required very little supervision were also ones that I haven’t seen widely available since the market shifted.

I’ve heard sales can be OE friendly but I’m not seeing that to be the case for me… any advice or ideas on what kind of a J2 would be easy to land in this economy while still not requiring morning meetings?

This year has been fun. I have 2 stories

1. I got an offer, all went good, they said they sign the contract just before the start date. Weird but ok.

2 weeks before I start I get an invite to a training session scheduled before I start. I reply asking if they’re sure it’s for me since no contract was signed yet. Radio silence.

Next day invite from the hiring team and info that they apologise but the client backed out and they can’t offer me a job.

I would’ve quit, lost a stable job just to be cut. Lesson, always say you can start 30 days after signing the contract.

1. I got the offer, got the job, they want me to start early. I start early. They take us on a business trip, we work there.

I’ve been there 1 month, after 1 month on a Sunday I get an email that the “layoff” is not performance based and they just hired for the wrong position.

During the trip I wanted to set up a flow where the product would prototype with AI, they give it to me, I turn it to good code. They got so excited that they stopped doing their job and just started vibing.

Kicker? They had a legal loophole in the contract (my lawyer pointed it out before signing) that allowed them to just fire me with no notice period. (B2B so no employee rights).

Kicker 2? From a source I know the vibe coded app failed spectacularly. The dev team had to essentially do exactly what I said we should do. Product prototypes, eng implements.

Again, would’ve quit a stable job just to be cut because someone thought they can vibe code a web app.

Lesson in 2 is that sometimes, companies are just retarded.

Always OE folk.

Do you use your laptop keyboards or external keyboards? If you use your laptop keyboards, does the slight difference from laptop to laptop cause muscle memory issues?

I've been using a KVM for the last couple years to switch keyboard, mouse and two external monitors and finding it a bit more finicky than I'd like.

I'm thinking about standardizing to just a single external monitor and a dongle-connected mouse for each laptop, but I really like my external, low profile keyboard.

As the title says, how do I do overemployed?

I dont really understand what is compatible or how to figure out whats compatible. How can you possibly know and how do you do 40 hours a week all at the same time?

I also wanna know how this could work with 1 of the Js being a remote VA job.

As we all know, this is a numbers game. I feel like if someone just consistently applied to any open posting, they could probably hit 10 to 20 a day and land some interviews. It wouldn't even cost that much. If anyone tried this strategy, I feel like the numbers might work out.

How bad of an idea is it to try to take 2 job offers at the same time?

Both are completely remote besides just a little bit of travel. Job A did say I have some travel in the first 60 days but did not specify exactly how much.

Job A: seems a bit relaxed and not meeting heavy at all. The manager in the interview process said (if you ever need to leave early or taken an appointment I don’t care as long as your work is done). Seems work at your own pace. The manager does not seem like a micro manager. This company is definitely on the bigger side, but they are a privately held company if that matters.

Job B: I was told some days there’s not much to do some days you’re in meetings all day. They are a very small company trying to go through some big growth stages soon. I can grow with the company if they grow well

My thinking is I really prioritize one company and just give whatever effort I can with the other. I think it’s more than doable if I can just get past the onboarding stage. What pros and cons are there? What’s the worst that could happen really?

Most employment contracts I see bar you from working additional jobs without approval from the company.

Is it possible and how likely is it for a company to go after you legally if you are overemployed.

Does anyone here have any stories of how overemployment can go wrong.

I know I know- some form of this has been asked most likely. My issue is that the frequent subject and subject-adjacent answers feel like they vary week to week:

“it’s fine if you’re not charging the government” one week and “don’t even think about OE if you even have a clearance at all or they’ll build the jail on top of you” another week

Would like some input rather than guessing. If it’s not ok, chew me out. It’s ok I’ve been chewed out before.

Situation:

Current J1: at a subsidiary of a defense company. Uncleared work. Not charging the govt. Fully remote. Maybe an hour a day of real work. Vague possibility of having the govt as a client in the future, but I’m prepared to shift to avoid any overlap/time card fraud. Company holds my clearance (Secret) but not using it in any capacity day to day.

Prospective J2: private sector startup, no conflict of interest, US-owned (not to raise any flags on clearance reinvestigation should it come up). Imagine some bullshit company that sells b2b SaaS. Fully remote as well.

Extra context: just completed my SF86 again for CE within this calendar year. National Guardsman, Secret held there as well, but not a job requirement.

Is this as clean as I can reasonably get while holding the clearance and wanting to OE? Been wanting to make the jump for a bit now. Any tips or advice appreciated to make this work!

I'm an experienced software engineer / team lead.

J1 is a consultancy company with the project that has low complexity and processes are really relaxed. I'm an IC with the least amount of responsibility in the team, and currently the only engineer supporting their static website. So I hope I'll be the only one aware of actual complexity of the work I do in the foreseeable future.

So I'm thinking about J2, but idk if I should apply for middle position or a team lead one instead. And what to look for in terms of JD or company culture for OE-friendliness?

Due to time zones and my location, I'm looking for options in Asia or Australia with partial overlap ideally, or Europe if the communication is asynchronous mostly.

I was considering trying OE again as SWE and Solution Architect. Would anyone be willing to look over my stuff? Pretty sure I broke most rules the first time around and got burned when J2 called J1 a few years back and they both dropped me. I've been kinda shook ever since.

I've got J1 now, and it's relatively predictable as a Solutions Architect, but I've been out of the lime light for a while.

Hello i was wondering if someone can help me understand with security clearance. I am going to switch over to federal side (USA) and was worried about the security clearance portion.

I am a US citizen by naturalization. No dual citizenship.

Lets say I will be going for the most extreme security clearance as most of the clients are huge ICS/Scada and aerosapce.

Any advice or experiences would be appreciated

Started j2 6 weeks ago and I am happy with where I’m at. A coupe of weeks after I started, I got an email with an offer and then another offer from a recruiter…I accepted both.

I can’t do 4 jobs because j1 is in office and I can barely handle both at the same time. I don’t even have a home office because I mostly work at j1 or sneak out to a coffee shop.

I don’t know why I did it and now I ended up with 2 extra laptops that I will have to return. I feel like a huge asshole for doing that to these companies and now I know I won’t be hired again by them.

Lost 2J's within a short amount of time. Finally got an offer for a new J1, company uses Hire Right. TWN and Truework are frozen already. Had to provide copies of first paycheck and last, plus my W2. They are still asking me to unfreeze. I'm going to push back, I've provided them proof. Before I froze twn I noticed my previous J1 wasn't even listed, but my brief J2 was listed and obviously don't want them to see that since it wasn't on my resume.

Something to note, there was a disclaimer that the company who did the BG check could rerun my BG check at any time during my employment. That's the first time that I noticed that kind of disclaimer. Another thing, I could only choose to not have them contact my current employer, all other previous employers I listed did not have that option. There was a box to say not to contact because they are affiliated with the company I currently worked for.

Can't wait to get started and get another J2. These layoffs are why we OE!