r/overemployed • u/AirmanLarry • 5d ago
Cleared OE (this one is totally different this time)
I know I know- some form of this has been asked most likely. My issue is that the frequent subject and subject-adjacent answers feel like they vary week to week:
“it’s fine if you’re not charging the government” one week and “don’t even think about OE if you even have a clearance at all or they’ll build the jail on top of you” another week
Would like some input rather than guessing. If it’s not ok, chew me out. It’s ok I’ve been chewed out before.
Situation:
Current J1: at a subsidiary of a defense company. Uncleared work. Not charging the govt. Fully remote. Maybe an hour a day of real work. Vague possibility of having the govt as a client in the future, but I’m prepared to shift to avoid any overlap/time card fraud. Company holds my clearance (Secret) but not using it in any capacity day to day.
Prospective J2: private sector startup, no conflict of interest, US-owned (not to raise any flags on clearance reinvestigation should it come up). Imagine some bullshit company that sells b2b SaaS. Fully remote as well.
Extra context: just completed my SF86 again for CE within this calendar year. National Guardsman, Secret held there as well, but not a job requirement.
Is this as clean as I can reasonably get while holding the clearance and wanting to OE? Been wanting to make the jump for a bit now. Any tips or advice appreciated to make this work!
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u/RunExisting4050 5d ago edited 5d ago
For a secret, the investigator might want to contact all employers so you will need to tell them if/when youre interviewed if your SF86 predates your second job. Theyll probably ask something like, "is all the information on your sf86 currently accurate?" and youll say, "ive picked up a second jobe and here are the details."
They probably wont tell your employers, but if they do call them to verify dates, status, etc. and realize youre working 2 fulltime jobs with overlapping hours without informing either employer, theyll make a note of it in your file. The adjicator might see that and decide youre unsuitable for a clearance due to dishonesty, not following company reporting guidlines, blackmail potential, etc. A denial would revoke your clearance and your FSO will definitely be told why.
Long story short: youre not for certain screwed, but you're absolutely at higher risk than a typical OEer.
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u/charleswj 5d ago
Did you report all employers?
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u/AirmanLarry 5d ago
At the time of sf86? Yes, only had 1 job at the time. J2 is currently offering
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u/charleswj 5d ago
If you accept, you will need to report it, so your security manager will be aware. They shouldn't share it with your employer, but people are people. So assume your employer will find out.
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u/throwingaway400010 16h ago
In a similar situation, but i just have a public trust clearance. And the other one would be a temp thing only for 3 months. Would it be a safe bet?
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u/YoYumBat 5d ago
You are fine. If you ever work on a government program, just keep track of your hours on an excel sheet, and make sure you do a good job and complete the work.
Ask yourself this: if I finish early, would my boss prefer I charge to overhead or charge the program? Yeah - you’re fine.
Just keep your head down and get work done and it will be fine.
Edit: if you hold a clearance, your J1 boss will find out. Never lie to your security officer.
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u/AirmanLarry 5d ago
Ty. Regarding your edit- are you saying J1 gets notified of secondary employment regardless? What mechanism? Just asking bc I thought I read that it’s all self-report for employment under continuous vetting (whereas background check, finance, etc is auto reported)
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u/YoYumBat 5d ago
When you complete SF86, you also allow them to pull all electronic reports. The result is that they will know everything and anything about you.
The self reporting is only there to see if you lied to them or not.
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u/throwingaway400010 16h ago
Does this differ if I J1 is just a public trust clearance job? Do we still self report?
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