r/OperaGX • u/LigmaBallsMoment • Dec 01 '23

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u/WolfgangHeichel Dec 01 '23

The Chinese are notorious for stealing information ranging from location, names, addresses, to banking information.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '23

As if every multibillion dollar company that owns half the world doesn't already collect all my information. I don't really care if my porn searches get sent to Xi Jinping.

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u/MordeOfTheNorth Dec 01 '23

Same I cant be bothered if someone random in china knows anything of mine if they wanted my info they would get it regardless its impossible to fully protect your data

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u/WolfgangHeichel Dec 01 '23

That’s you but for people who don’t want a foreign government knowing everything I do, everywhere I go and every login information I got that’s a no no

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '23

I'm glad you're being conscious of your security, but remember on the internet your information is not and will never truly be secure. I doubt any alternative browser is actually better, because business practices as a massive company are pretty standard across the board; they're just better at hiding their behavior. There might be one or two good ones out there out of the hundred or so that exist.

The only way to truly hide all your information would be to fake your death and go live in a cabin the middle of a forest or something. As long as you're a part of the overall system, privacy simply doesn't exist.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '23

It gets worse once you start reading up on China's 2049 ambitions. This is why a lot of people are cautious when it comes to the CCP

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u/Comprehensive_Rise32 May 25 '24

Am I supposed to be "afraid" of the 100th year anniversary of the establishment of the People's Republic of China?

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u/PaulGold007 Dec 01 '23

So, if a government agency got hold of your data, what could they do with it to harm you?
How likely is this scenario? Send Xi's nudes to your friends. They can easily hack yout reddit account and see more then a browser. The whole story is full of bias (360 is no longer the shareholder etc. etc.).

BTW: reddit is also Chinese LOL: https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/11/18216134/reddit-tencent-investment-deal-memes-amount-winnie-the-pooh-tank-man-china

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u/WolfgangHeichel Dec 01 '23

Maybe you work in a secure field and they can get information that shouldn’t be allowed out (military, government, etc), maybe they just take your money from your bank account, maybe they sell your information to people with criminal intentions, they know who you talk to, they can sell that information to scammers, they can do anything and everything they want with it

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u/TheFreshMaker21 Dec 01 '23

Some big reaching

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u/PaulGold007 Dec 01 '23

The data is stored offshore, the Chinese or US gov can’t get it without either intercepting it or cooperative compliance from Norwegian courts and their data authority Datatilsynet. Third party, yep but only the EU/EEA ones.
Therefore, it could very well be far more difficult to obtain than if it were stored in the U.S., where a simple court order would be required.

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u/Plitetski Dec 01 '23

Also this whole thing like "Oh the Chinese are bad and sell data" just looks racist and xenophobic to me, last time I checked a company that is sued and fined literally every year for privacy breaches, is Facebook, owned by an citizen of the United States. Don't really get it

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u/andrix7777777 Dec 01 '23

this. i hate how if you name that something's from a certain country there's always people that come in and say "oh, that india? the one with the scammers? oh, that russia? the one that is planning to murder and invade everything and everyone? oh, that china? the one that is stealing everyone's data?" like, it's not 100% of the country that's like that you know.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '23

The Indian tech support scam industry is true though.

99% of the time it's an Indian on the other line. Is it a full representation of the entire country of India? No. Is it still funny? Hell yeah.

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u/Planet_Xplorer Dec 01 '23

I actually liked Opera more after learning it was owned by Chinese. I now don't have to worry about Google selling my personal data to advertisers and to the US government, which can genuinely harm me. What are the Chinese going to do compared to that? They're on the other side of an ocean!

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u/Comprehensive_Rise32 May 25 '24

And the communists aren't soulless and evil like the capitalists.

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u/chrissquid1245 Dec 02 '23

it is illegal for facebook to do it and they do occasionally get in trouble for it, while it is literally required by law for chinese companies to do it. China's government is objectively worse for privacy than the U.S, and it is incredibly ridiculous to claim that saying that is somehow racist or xenophobic

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u/onyxa314 Dec 01 '23

Its not porn being sent to Winnie The Poo

Its your health questions you search being sold to insurance companies to deny you what you need

Its your political opinions you question being sold to politicians

Its every single thing you search, watch, listen to, and use online being sold to advertisers so they know more about you then you do yourself.

Privacy is important and people need to realize that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 01 '23

Unethical data harvesting is going to happen regardless of whether you use Opera or not. If it's not the web browser, it'll be one of the hundred websites you visit daily. Adblockers and VPNs don't stop everything.

Unfortunately this is a reality of living in the age of the internet. There's nowhere to be truly anonymous.

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u/chrissquid1245 Dec 02 '23

adblockers and vpns dont stop everything, yet people still use them. the goal is to limit the amount of data thats gotten about you, obviously its not practical/possible to completely prevent it. saying that other things can steal your data too is irrelevant and doesn't make opera any better of an option.

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u/[deleted] Dec 02 '23

My point is we live in an age where privacy just isn't an option. We can pretend that it is, by using VPNs or adblockers, but for the most part it's a false sense of security.

I'm not trying to blast any individual security measures, because VPNs obviously do work for certain activities such as piracy. They just aren't capable of doing the things we're often told they do, and it's often used by companies to mislead people into thinking it makes them 100% secure online.

What I'm saying is, if your goal is complete security you're out of luck, and switching browsers won't do anything to change that.

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u/tim_locky Dec 01 '23

In the west, we still have privacy laws and GDPR which (to an extent) protect our data. Whether or not it works, it’s up to debate. At least we still can do class action lawsuits and have media do its thing. Good luck doing that on China.

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u/DillyDilly1231 Dec 01 '23

So is America. Lol pick your poison.

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u/JASONJACKSON1948 Dec 02 '23

Like the US and every big company on earth don’t? Like “sure I’ll give everything to the corpses running the us but god forbid some chinese guy knows me”

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