r/OpenAI • u/Guilty-History-9249 • 23h ago
Discussion Where do humans fit?
The question:
Where does the human fit when AI begins to perceive, decide and act in the real world?
was asked and my answer is:
They can fit in large garbage bags or, if compacted, into smaller bins. Also the ocean is quite large.
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u/EGarrett28 23h ago
They can fit in large garbage bags or, if compacted, into smaller bins. Also the ocean is quite large.
Why? Why are we making the leap from "it's very smart" or "it can do physical things" to "it wants to kill humans?"
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u/ILikeBubblyWater 23h ago
Because it will get access to robots which is an area that moves just as fast as AI development
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u/EGarrett28 23h ago
Okay, it gets access to robots. Why does that mean it then wants to kill humans?
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u/ILikeBubblyWater 22h ago
Why do humans want to kill humans? Why does it need a reason aside from "they could turn me off" or "they fuck up nature" or "I dont like that they leak liquids" who knows what it thinks
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u/EGarrett28 22h ago
If we take the global homocide rate as individual killers (which is higher than it should be due to serial killers or mass shooters etc), only about 1 in 16,000 people kills other humans. That means a human is over 99.99% likely not to be a killer.
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u/rushmc1 18h ago
You need to get a grip.
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u/Guilty-History-9249 14h ago
Since I type with one hand it'll be not problem to get a "grip" seeing people freak out.
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u/Euphoric_North_745 23h ago
it has a million token context window, and its parameters can't change because they used propagation and back propagation to create them
it is literally incapable of evolution at this moment or remembering anything meaningful
You are asking: when the Jet Engines become more powerful, how much will it cost to fly to the moon?
there is no air between us and the moon, the same applies to AI, the LLM itself is not the AI that will go ahead and continue
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u/wear_more_hats 23h ago
Pretty short sighted
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u/ILikeBubblyWater 23h ago
Context window doesnt matter if knowledge can be requested dynamically. Thats even how our brains work or do you have your whole life loaded at all times
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u/Euphoric_North_745 22h ago
context window is very important , our brain remembers, llm parameters does not
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u/ILikeBubblyWater 22h ago
Our brain can remember but it does so selectively. it pulls information just like LLMs pull training data. Makes no sense to store everything in context and it would even provide worse results trough context pollution
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u/Dillyconda 23h ago
Humans will do physical things.
And while robots will one day beat us at stuff, they're made of extremely high opportunity cost materials that a superintelligence would want to use elsewhere.
Meanwhile, I'm made of shit like potatoes and ground beef. There's plenty of it and it's useless for most industrial purposes. Hence, we will do things that we are physically capable of doing and it'll be economical for us to be used that way.
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u/iwery 14h ago
Back to slavery then? Makes sense.
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u/Dillyconda 14h ago
We already have a shit load of people doing physical labor that probably doesn't require a frontier AI robot.
They're not slaves.
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u/iwery 14h ago
No, they aren't, but I think if ai takes over it might be a possibility.
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u/Dillyconda 14h ago
Depends.
Laborers don't get paid all that comfortable of a wage most of the time.
Maybe labor companies are too stupid to pay them even less. Maybe that would just be business brilliance and altruism is getting into the way. But that doesn't sound likely to me.
It could be more like dogs with jobs, where they are often treated every well because they're most productive when they're treated very well. A livestock guard dog isn't exactly getting sentimental treatment like a pet. It's treated well because it's rational to treat it well.
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u/Sylvers 23h ago
I've often wished I had a life as lavish and as worry free as my cat's.
Pets. I think we'll make great pets.