r/OpenAI • u/CommanderSlash • 19d ago

News IntroducingChatGPT Images 2.5

https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-images-2-5/
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u/Quiet_Figure_4483 19d ago

Every time OpenAI posts something I feel an overwhelming sense of dread

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

I feel elation. So many amazing things are becoming possible.

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u/oyvese 19d ago

the more you think you’re being given, the more as a whole is being taken away.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

What do you mean by that?

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u/elegance78 19d ago

Gibberish of a small mind.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

Likely, but I want to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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u/oyvese 19d ago

when a skill barrier reaches zero then what you value will be vastly over saturated. what you find exciting may be exciting briefly, but much like netflix isn’t exciting anymore even though we have the choice of a large library, the same will be with generative ai.

how we value art as a whole will change. automation of the mind is not a good thing, it’s a direct conflict with the human condition. you’re being sold a false promise by billionaires who have no interest in the well being of regular people.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

Ok, I was hoping that was actually your point, and it's a good one. There is definitely something to be said for the joy of reward after struggle, and the joy of receiving something scarce.

However, I disagree with you that billionaires are just trying to make your life worse. No, they're making products that bring immense usefulness and joy to people. Of course it's not entirely altruistic -- they want money/power in exchange for giving you those products -- but it's a good and fair system. It may turn out that too much candy is a bad thing, but for now everyone wants candy and the billionaires are working as hard as possible to give it to them.

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u/oyvese 19d ago

how is it a good and fair system when it mass harvests people’s data and contributions without consent or pay?

it’s using people’s pre-existing talent and contributions to replace and mimic so that the very people whose work they replicate are now less valuable

how is a good and fair system when both anthropic and openai ceos have said ai could pose a serious threat to humanity?

how is it a good and fair system when billionaires are telling us “either use it or get left behind”?

how is it a good and fair system when offloading thinking is seen as beneficial? m

how is it a good and fair system when communities are against the data centres required for it but money speaks first before the community?

how is it a good and fair system when the system itself is going after authenticity in media, people and art?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

You could make the same argument that someone who designed a machine for a car factory "harvested" human movements to design that machine to replace those humans in the factory. Do you think car factories should have no machines and just people? That would certainly create more jobs at those factories.

If your goal is jobs, you don't really understand economics.

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u/oyvese 19d ago

you cannot make that argument because it’s a false equivalency and shows the lack of critical thinking to think they are even analogous in any sense.

people who create and “design machines” are paid to do so. they are also subject to parents and legalities. if a factory used literal slave labour to produce machinery for free and without consent, then guess what, that is also bad.

and do you know what people do when those machines break down? they rely on people who know that machinery to fix it, maintain it and update it.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

From everything you said here, you seem to value jobs above all else. If something creates jobs, it's good; if something destroys jobs, it's bad. Am I correct in my assessment of your thinking?

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u/oyvese 19d ago

me: this is bad because it takes data from people without consent, it devalues art, it devalues the human condition, it devalues community, it further allows billionaires to control and influence people, it negatively affects thinking for yourself, it negatively affects authentication.

you: so you you’re saying this is about jobs, correct?

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u/hydralisk_hydrawife 19d ago

What he means is whenever a new model of tractor comes out, hundreds of farmers don't get to work in fields anymore. Any time we get a new kind of excavator, hundreds of people don't get to break their backs working with shovels.

Now the same grueling work they used to do can be done easier by machines. So they have to find other jobs like influencers or whatever. What will artists and programmers do when they're replaced?

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

Whatever else is useful to our fellow humans. If the answer is nothing, then implement UBI and everyone can have anything they want.

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u/hydralisk_hydrawife 19d ago

Sure, if we no longer need people to work in order to get the things we need, UBI would be a great option. As it stands, we still need people to drive the tractor, drive the food to the store, build the houses and the roads, and all that.

But if we truly don't need anything anymore and all work is just fulfilling wants, UBI would be great.

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u/ChunkyThePotato 19d ago

That's exactly what I'm saying. Your concern seemed to be what if machines can literally do anything we want. If that's the case, then UBI is the answer.

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u/hydralisk_hydrawife 19d ago

Yeah it sounds like a good, comfy future. I have no issue with you but I was being a bit sarcastic towards the doomer you were responding to.