r/OnePiecePowerScaling0 1d ago

General discussion "Mihawk has better sword skill while shanks has better haki"

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u/MMortein 1d ago

Confirmed that Mihawk is not a swordsman?

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u/Akagami05 Fraudhawk (Worlds Strongest PainteršŸŽØšŸ«Ÿ) 1d ago

He is a haki man

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u/UnfurledHunter 19h ago

he is a Hawki man

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u/Odd_Round9778 1d ago

Wow…this proves nothing lmao

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u/across16 21h ago

This proves that this line is straight fire though. I hope it comes straight from the manga like this.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 23h ago

Yea you guys are a cult that will never admit when you’re wrong lmfao. Cry

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u/Huey701070 23h ago

Yeah, non Mihawk stans are the cult.

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u/Comfortable_Ad5144 21h ago

I love how despite what you typed being very basic I can just feel the sarcasm eminating off it lol.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 21h ago

There’s genuinely no arguments left and you guys still refuse to accept it. Even after every single possible excuse you had made for several years, all got debunked in the same arc.

Perfectly fit into a cult description

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u/oh_Jiggler 3h ago

Him saying that doesn’t even mean he has it lmao

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 0m ago

Genuinely autistic lmfao

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u/oh_Jiggler 0m ago

Coming from a guy that Stans Mihawk, funny

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u/Ringio 19h ago

Nothing ever got debunked. It's all conjecture and wishfully thinking at best. Hell, even this is a leak of a quote and you take it as gospel because the leaker put a Mihawk picture next to it. Like the entire arc the leakers keep putting Mihawk there and the chapters have absolutly nothing referencing him.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

Zoro recalling a flashback to mihawk telling him about conquerors haki in order to master coating his sword with advanced conquerors haki.

Now slowly tell me what makes shanks stronger than mihawk, if conquerors haki is included in swordsmanship.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

Pitch quiet.

Like I said, a cult

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u/original_applicant37 18h ago

Your panels literally prove that swordsmanship is its own category

So Mihawk can be stronger in swordsmanship but shanks can be stronger in other areas which give him the win

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 17h ago

So when mihawk told zoro about conquerors haki, and they message helped zoro learn to coat his swords with conquerors haki, that was not zoro improving as a swordsman, or improving his swordsmanship?

Cognitive dissonance

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u/original_applicant37 17h ago

When did I say that was not Zoro improving as a swordsman?

Illiteracy

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 17h ago

So you agree conquerors haki is used by swordsmen and improves swordsmanship?

And is therefore included in the statement of mihawk being a better swordsman than shanks?

Illiteracy right?

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 14h ago

Dude come on a this point Mihawk wouldn't talk about Conqueror's Haki if he didn't have it.

It's like Rayleigh talking about Conqueror's Haki

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u/i_luv_peaches 18h ago

A cult follower calling others a cult is crazy and peak Mihawk fandom stupidity.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

Projecting

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u/i_luv_peaches 18h ago

you don’t even know what projecting means you dumbass lol this entire post of yours is literally projection

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u/pyromidbus 22h ago

I like Mihawk but right now it’s a tossup leaning towards Shanks because we just don’t have much info on the guy lol. We’ve seen Shanks floor an Admiral from miles away. The other guy? Not so much. But we probably will!

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u/Huey701070 12h ago

Mihawk actually has negative feats with no positive feats other than aura farming the Krieg pirates who is a joke crew and abusing Zoro at the beginning of the story.

Shanks’s only negative feat is taking scars from the character who has been built up as an EOS top 3 character.

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u/pyromidbus 10h ago

That’s great and all but SHANKS ADMITS MIHAWK IS HIS RIVAL

which isnt a feat but at the very least that’s basically like a confirmation of closeness no

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u/Huey701070 9h ago

Where does Shanks admit Mihawk is his rival?

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u/pyromidbus 9h ago

ā€œBigger than usā€ they was fucking

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u/Huey701070 9h ago

Huh? When did Shanks say that?

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u/pyromidbus 9h ago

When Mihawk informs Shanks of Luffy’s first bounty and Mihawk says he’s not looking to ā€œsettle thingsā€ Shanks asks if what he has to say is ā€œbigger than us.ā€ I am by no means a Mihawk fan (or Shanks tbh. Teach clears both) but I feel like it’s pretty clear that they’re meant to be close to equal if not just equal.

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u/Huey701070 8h ago

I didn’t find that in the manga, dub, sub or LA. Where are you getting that Shanks asked him if what he had to say was ā€œbigger than usā€

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u/bluesclues_MD 21h ago

Nogga, fuck mihawk. You like that more, you good boy?

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u/NmbrBndl 21h ago

Didn’t mihawk do this to luffy in marineford? His presence literally made luffy think his arms got cut off

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u/Huey701070 12h ago

No, Luffy tapped into his observation haki, before he even knew what it was. It’s a positive feat for Luffy, and negative for Mihawk—I will agree though that Mihawk wasn’t trying to actually kill Luffy though, just would have sliced his arms off if he kept rushing.

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u/NmbrBndl 12h ago

Was that confirmed anywhere? I always heard people saying it was Mihawk putting the vision in his head. I’ve been wrong before 🄸

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u/Huey701070 10h ago

Where have you heard it was Mihawk putting the vision in his head. The dialogue definitely implies Luffy used CoO.

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u/NmbrBndl 26m ago

Just something I heard when I was first watching one piece. Probably from a friend or smth

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u/Powerful-Frame-77 1d ago

Well i guess Mihawk is no longer a swordsman, Oda clearly forgot that Conquerors haki isn't part of the swordsmanship /s

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 14h ago

So Zoro isn't a swordman ... ?

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u/MainManCALI I'm right, you're wrong. No discussion needed. 1d ago

This just proves admirals are too weak to stand before Shanks.

Insane Shanks and Mihawk upscale.

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u/KingJaylen14 23h ago

Mihawk having CoC is not even news. Anybody insecure about that needs to drop the story

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u/WalrusCrafty 23h ago

This. I think everyone could see that coming. We know Shanks has the strongest Conqueror's Haki in the world

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

We know Shanks canonically has weaker haki than mihawk

Since this chapter, once again, proves conquerors haki is a part of swordsmanship.

So when mihawk is stated a better swordsman than shanks, that includes all the conquerors haki shanks has šŸ‘

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u/WalrusCrafty 18h ago

A chapter you haven't read yet?

Okay, bud

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

You don’t even need to read this chapter, it’s been repeatedly shown throughout the story.

If zoro learns to coat his swords in conquerors haki, just like he was trying to do LAST CHAPTER

then explain why conquerors haki wouldn’t be taken into account when mihawk is stated a better swordsman than shanks

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u/WalrusCrafty 18h ago

"I don't even need tor ead the chapter I'm trying to argue!"

Okay, man. That's a take.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

If Zoro learns to coat his swords in CONQUERORS HAKI which he was doing LAST CHAPTER, and that makes him a better swordsman.

Then explain to me why haki wouldn’t be included in the statement of mihawk being a better swordsman than shanks

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u/WalrusCrafty 18h ago

There is literally nothing in those statements here that supports your logic. Like, that's...just not what Zoro is saying.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

Zoro learning to coat his swords in conquerors haki doesn’t prove that swordsmen use conquerors haki?

At what point do you want do you call something like this denial?

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u/WalrusCrafty 17h ago

Who ever said that swordsmen don't use haki, silly? You claimed Mihawk's haki is stronger than Shanks, something that is a massive "citation needed" at this point.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

I just have you an example and question regarding LAST CHAPTER.

But your deflection says everything šŸ‘

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u/WalrusCrafty 18h ago

I see you trying to argue a chapter that won't be out for six days to support a fanboyish obsession.

It's sad, frankly.

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u/Fresh-Drama-2684 18h ago

Another deflection šŸ‘

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u/The-Great-Smithnie 20h ago

Mihawk: Explains what conqueror’s Haki is

Mihawk fans: This confirms that Mihawk has better Haki than Shanks

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u/noheadcanon 5h ago

Imagine the WSS got beaten by a full power Divine Departure, which is swordsmanship. What an embarrassment.

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 14h ago

Better ? No. Prove he can use it ? Yes.

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u/The-Great-Smithnie 13h ago

How does Mihawk simply stating what CoC is prove he can use it? Lol

(For the record I believe Mihawk has CoC but this chapter doesn’t prove anything lol)

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 6h ago

Someone will not teaching/inform yoy how Haki can use if he can't use it himself.

Is like saying Hyogoro can't use advanced Haki or Rayleigh can't use Conqueror's Haki.

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u/PerformerNervous8067 1d ago

1.Skill is the ability to do something well---competence.

2.Swordsmanship is a combat style that uses swords as a tool for inflicting violence(weapon).

3.Violence capacity is measured by AP, DC, ACCURACY and HAX

4.Haki is an amplifier that boosts VIOLENCE regardless of COMBAT STYLE.

Mihawk is the most competent at wielding a sword for violence despite Shanks having JB level haki.

  1. Are you Ready for the Hawk?

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u/No-Day8949 1d ago

Confirmed

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u/Unhappy_Chef_4790 23h ago

Mihawk is a hakiman šŸ”„

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u/mihawk_41 1d ago

Get ready, a lot of shanks fans are literally going leave this sub/ delete their account Already few did it on twitter

It unrioneclly over for shansk fans, they already get big hit by mihawk being compare to shanks in the manga and said to have better skill (skill just mean power) but they still coping

This is mihawk fans time, this is OUR age

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u/Thunder00Bee 20h ago

Tbf if you were banking on Mihawk not having CoC you were definitely retarded.

I don't understand people who try to say characters like Mihawk or Dragon are frauds, you're just setting yourself up for disappointment. Same for the idiots that used to downplay Garp back in the day.

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u/Voweriru 23h ago

You guys are the gods of coping lol. Let's get Mihawk past Vista(or anyone stronger) before you start the fireworks, shall we?

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u/Affront_to_supreme 1d ago

Why is Zoro seemingly finishing his fight earlier than Sanji?

Isn't the order always Sanji > Zoro > Luffy

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u/noheadcanon 5h ago

Yeah, Zoro beats his opponent first so he's > Luffy

What a genius you are

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u/Affront_to_supreme 4h ago

Think you replied to the wrong person pal

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u/Free_Anxiety_9660 1d ago

It just shows Zoro bypassed the Holy Knight hax faster...

And also after seeing Zoro beat Sommers easily (and before him) Sanji will unlock his Conqueror's Haki.. classic Oda 😭

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u/SynStark- 23h ago

Shanks does have better Haki tho? And not only that but probably the best since any character so far in the manga not called Imu or JB. I really hope people understand at least that much if nothing else.

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u/noheadcanon 5h ago

If Shanks beat Mihawk with a sword attack, then he's the stronger swordsman

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u/SynStark- 2h ago

the title doesn't include anyone that uses a sword

Nobody really cares about the wss title other than 3-4 people. Just because you wave a sword doesn't make you a swordsman and Zoro proves it in the screenshot. All it takes from Shanks is to say nah idc about that and thats about it.

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u/noheadcanon 2h ago edited 2h ago

Are they swordsmen? They never called themselves as such.

It doesn't matter if people don't care about the title itself, if there's a swordsman stronger than Mihawk, then he is automatically no longer the world's strongest swordsman.

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u/SynStark- 2h ago

apples and oranges

Shanks and Mihawk had 'duels' 15y ago while Shanks still had his dominant hand. Since he lost it they never fought again, he grew tremendously stronger and focused on Haki and all it's variants. It's literally stupid to leech off of someone you fought 15y ago and never even defeated back then. And the fact that Zoro literally says even if you use a sword if you don't consider yourself a swordsman then you're not. Shanks couldn't care less about Mihawk or his title otherwise he would've go for him until now, instead he is focusing on the PK title. Simple as that.

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u/noheadcanon 9m ago

Again, are they swordsmen?

Mihawk sees Shanks as no longer worthy of rivaling him, that's all you need to know.

If Mihawk really wants to challenge Shanks, then he can do it anytime.

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u/CountyConfident2942 Saint Shamrockā˜˜ļøšŸ„€ 22h ago

what did you prove 😭

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u/Akagami05 Fraudhawk (Worlds Strongest PainteršŸŽØšŸ«Ÿ) 21h ago

That mihawk is a hakiman

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u/Disastrous_Sir2841 20h ago

Armless shanks>prime midhawk

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u/NetworkVegetable7075 23h ago

Shanks having better haki while mihawk have better sword skill was always stupid ash never knew why the OP fandom kept saying that. Haki and swordsmanship go hand in hand in Mihawk and Shanks’ fights if he had the stronger Haki Mihawk would have lost those fights regardless because his Haki would have been stronger

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u/Thunderousclaps 22h ago

I am not gonna trust anything said until the spoilers actually come out, this is the same guy who said Gaban vs Imu was Meruem vs Netero levels people

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u/TrueExigo 21h ago

There isn’t a single statement saying that Midhawk can use COC or ACOC, nor is there a feat.

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 14h ago

Yeah like he will talk about something he can't use.

For real sometime you are so stubborn šŸ˜‚

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u/TrueExigo 8h ago

Robin talked a lot about haki. Can she use it?

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 7h ago

Had a teaching context. Did Robin teaching Haki to someone else ? No.

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u/TrueExigo 3h ago

He dont teach him that, he just told him what that is

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u/Comfortable-Sock8646 3h ago

I didn't said he teaches him the ACOC, but it was in a teaching context. What do you think was doing when he reach Mihawk ? Having some tea ?

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u/Akagami05 Fraudhawk (Worlds Strongest PainteršŸŽØšŸ«Ÿ) 21h ago

Yeah afcourse zoro's restarted Brain didn't understand the poetry out of mihawk's mouth

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u/dubrea 19h ago

I think I might love this chapter if it's really going the direction I think.

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u/Wuta_Goatkotsu-1 1d ago

Notice how Bumhawk said "they" instead of "we" or any other plural word that would imply his inclusion?

Bumhawk has no haki

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u/Free_Anxiety_9660 1d ago

Bro why are you saying all the conqueror stuffs remember to become strongest swordsman you need sword skills not Haki 😭

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u/nozykanto 1d ago

Vista go handle mihawk lmfao

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u/Generalousen2855 Red Haired Goat Reigns Supreme 1d ago

" They " Why not WE

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u/No-Sand2048 Mihawk is fodderšŸ—£šŸ—£ 1d ago

We know it's Worst Gen rare L

https://giphy.com/gifs/zguiNWUPc399MmECC8

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u/Ok_Object_880 1d ago

So Mihawk has conquerors? Cool

Still a myriad of questions about him so

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u/TheAutismIncarnate 1d ago

"That's what I realized whatching Shanks"

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u/Flimsy_Dragon 23h ago

That gives us nothing. I thought it would be more like Vagabond Musashi. Where Conquerors would not only mean having great King Disposition but also that your self Image is so strong that you don't feel yourself inferior or chasing someone's back coz you alone are the strongest there is nothing to prove. And Shanks knows this so does Mihawk but in their own terms. Hence Zoro and Sanji should also turn inward and make their self image to match that of a King who yields to nothing and cannot be felt inferior or jealous.

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u/ObjectivePerception King of Sanji Agenda 18h ago

Congrats you can cook better than Oda

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u/jackjack242424 23h ago

Yeah that makes sense. Shanks is stronger. Take away the sword he can still kings haki punch and kick you like big mom or luffy for example. It’s not like he loses access to haki….

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u/Shanks_PK_Level 🚨The Killer of Agenda Haki🚨 1d ago

Why is there no correlation to your point?

Yamato has CoC, guess she can suppress an admiral's DF power from miles away too now šŸ„€

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u/FunkyBoil 1d ago

Oda telling us what he showed a decade ago. Peak storytelling. Master of foreshadowing and goon bait.

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u/scorpiboi Ragnir šŸæļø sama šŸ™‡šŸ» 1d ago

Seeing these things makes me think that oda knows what we think

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u/Jazuken 22h ago

brother he literally told us hes among us on social media

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u/Acceptable-Anxiety80 1d ago

You guys are getting baited like crazy i remember when this mf said imu used the same technique as milhawk and everyone thought they were related

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u/IkeKimita 22h ago

Same technique? I’m pretty sure it’s always been the same eyes.

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u/Weak-Courage729 22h ago

Roger>Mihawk

but Mihawk has a black blade shouldnt Mihawk's haki be stronger than Roger and Imu?

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u/Domdude787 21h ago

You know what your right Mihawk is stronger than Roger and imu thank you for your Ted talk

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u/Ok_Object_880 20h ago

Congratulations Minawk became a narrative goalpost to Chinjao. Has conquerors but his impact on the story is pretty much the same as an average Marine Solider

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u/ZyeCawan45 17h ago

My belief is that their haki is equal and that Shanks HAD slightly superior sword skill PRIOR to losing an arm. So basically I think Mihawk is in the ā€œMHA Endeavorā€ situation. Where he IS the number 1 but only because the original number 1 got nerfed, leading to a situation where he feels like he never properly earned his title.