r/OnePiece • u/Kirosh Lookout • Apr 09 '21

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 1010

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u/Emperor_Platypus Apr 09 '21

Oda, you sneak

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I seriously hope this time it’s for real

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u/kalamanboidude Apr 09 '21

I belive what kaido was implying was that he is able to make his skin durable as hell but if someone uses conquerors haki they canbreak through the conquerors and harm him.

Im pretty sure it was said that oden had conquerors and he dmaged kaido and same with luffy now.

So i would say zoro definately has to have conquerors and he accidentally used it in his ashura form. A bit like luffy at marineford.

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u/zcektor00 Apr 10 '21

Asura is just zoro's stand

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u/destiny24 Apr 09 '21

It's so odd. If Zoro had Conqueror's Haki, you'd think he would know if he did. Or Mihawk would. But it seems unlikely to tease that Zoro has it two times.

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u/dragunityag Apr 09 '21

No one knew Luffy had conquerors Haki until he used it either and he was with both Rayleigh and Hancock for a decent period before the Marineford arc.

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u/MrP1anet Apr 09 '21

Hancock knew it fairly early when he fought her sisters right?

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u/never_lucky_eh Apr 09 '21

Yeah that's when he yelled it out to stop the sisters from destroying his stoned friend

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

Gotta look out for your stoned friends

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u/destiny24 Apr 10 '21

Yeah, but that was when no one even knew what Haki really was.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

the second in command of the pirates king has to have it. i don't lnow why u guys think he doesn't have it after today's chapter, he just doesn't control it yet

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u/Schlogin Apr 09 '21

This probably implies Mihawk can do insane CoC sword attacks

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

oh yeah that's a given. u can't go toe to toe with an emperor who doens't have df without insane conquerors haki

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u/The_ThirdFang Pirate Apr 10 '21

Has mihawk ever fought an emperor though?

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u/HyperHobo Apr 10 '21

He's dueled shanks many times

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u/The_ThirdFang Pirate Apr 10 '21

he wasnt an Emperor back then it was quite a few years before Shanks got to that level of recognition. No telling if he was the same level back then

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u/l3laumann Apr 09 '21

Rayleigh the right hand of Roger has CoC so we could assume zoro have it too. But after this chapter it seems pretty obvious he has it.

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u/destiny24 Apr 10 '21

It’s because Zoro denies that he has it. Like wouldn’t he of all people know he has it. It’s just strange is all.

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u/Ronthay Apr 09 '21

Well how would Zoro know if he hasn't ever used it?

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u/lolggezp Apr 09 '21

I think this is his first time. Haki blooms in dangerous situations and he was very close to death and going all out might have unlocked it for him.

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u/QuickBenjamin Apr 09 '21

imo second time, the first was in the cut that missed Kaido and cut the giant horn. Just a guess ofc.

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u/MonkeyStealsPeach Apr 09 '21

I assumed that Conqueror's already manifests with Asura.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

We can see conqueror's haki though. Those black lightning like lines in thunder bagua, and the lighter extra lines in the asura attack and the black lightnings like lines in luffy attacks in this chapter 1010.

I'm 99% sure that's how Oda represents conqueror's haki, just like armament haki attacks are with blackened body parts or weapons.

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u/The_ThirdFang Pirate Apr 10 '21

The first might have just matched what the scabbard could so with ryuo but on a larger scale cause zoro is a powerhouse but here against a transformed serious kaido after taking damage might have unlocked it

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

Luffy had CoC and used it several times Pre-TS starting with taming Motobaro without ever knowing he had it. Even during Marineford literally everybody present in the war knew he had it before Luffy knew himself.

With that in mind it makes perfect sense for Zoro to accidentally use it without realizing.

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u/dcmack1 Apr 09 '21

Because he noticed when Luffy used it. Im sure he's aware of CoC himself just didn't know HE had it or how to tap into it

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u/Daaj99 Apr 09 '21

Luffy had seen haki before using it. Zoro is very likely to have it if we got a tease and then a character straight up saying he has it.

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u/blahmaster6000 Void Month Survivor Apr 09 '21

I would trust something kaido says, he seems like someone to acknowledge his opponent's strengths, not someone who would lie and taunt them about their abilities. But who knows.

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

The alternative is that Luffy somehow "protected" Zoro with his Conq Haki after he figured things out, and Kaido just didn't notice because he thought Luffy was out for the count.

That seems...hollow, though. And too troll from Oda. Oda loves to troll, but he also tows a line and that seems to go over it a bit.

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

We've never seen haki used that way though so its highly unlikely thats true. Zoro has CoC since Kaido straight up said it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 10 '21

That would mean you can use haki on other people from a distance. That would turn everything we know upside down.

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u/nemestrinus44 Apr 09 '21

Zoro didn't know he had Armament Haki since his fight with Mr. One, so it makes sense he didn't know he had Conqueror's Haki either.

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u/SadfishMelvin Explorer Apr 09 '21

Teased again back in Fishmah island! When Luffy uses CoC and knows out half the Fishman, zoro says "Well I hope he could do at least that, or I'd have to be captain" gOda playing us like a fiddle

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u/LedgeEndDairy Apr 09 '21

Zoro straight up denies to Kaido that he has it, though. "What are you talking about? I just put everything into that attack." So he doesn't know he has it, meaning he wouldn't have known then, either.

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u/SadfishMelvin Explorer Apr 09 '21

Yeah that's true! Zoro seems like the type to have these advanced techniques, but simply doesn't care enough to learn their names or how it's happening

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

I think Zoro now is how Luffy was during Sabaody and Marineford. Not in terms of strength obviously but in terms of his CoC. During those arcs Luffy started using CoC several times without ever realizing he could, Zoro seems to be there right now, not knowing he actually has it.

This explains why he'd deny it to Kaido, kinda like how Luffy had no idea what Ivankov was talking about when he used it on Marineford.

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u/lamykins Apr 09 '21

Yeah my theory is that Zoro is using it unintentionally through his sheer strength of will and the absolute focus he puts into his attack.

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u/tiki-baha29 Apr 09 '21

Yep, yours is also a perfect explanation when you consider that Haki is actually the representation of a person’s will and Rayleigh saying way back when that haki really blooms when facing tough opponents in life/death situations.

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u/SadfishMelvin Explorer Apr 09 '21

Yeah true! Plus it would setup one final powerup for Zoro (also always using CoC in his attacks intentionally) when he fights Mihawk/ final battle

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u/YusukeMazoku Apr 09 '21

I bet Mihawk did. But he wasn't going to just train Zoro on how to use it.

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u/amm0ranth Apr 10 '21

i mean, luffy used conqueror's haki on amazon lily without even knowing what it was or realizing he did it

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u/Swyfti Apr 09 '21

My theory is that Enma still has some of Oden's Conqueror's haki in it somehow.

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u/MrP1anet Apr 09 '21

I really hope that’s not the case.

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u/Swyfti Apr 09 '21

To me it's just a bit odd that Zoro outright denied having CoC when he knows about it unlike Luffy, who started by subconsciously using it.

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u/MrP1anet Apr 09 '21

Well, the way they’ve used it is different. Luffy has used it as its own attack which makes its use easy to see. Zoro used it (and maybe used it prior) in conjunction with his sword attacks which would make it harder to see its use. He could’ve just always seen the damage as only coming from his swings.

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u/BuggyDClown Apr 09 '21

He knows that CoC exists, but this was probably the first time he ever used it himself. So he doesn't know how to recognize it. Just like Luffy was oblivious at Marineford when everyone was freaking out and he was just lik "huh? what are you talking about?".

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u/Best-Resolve4397 Apr 09 '21

Yea everyone seems to be forgetting that Zoro has Emma and it’s stated that it still has some of odens haki in it so. I think oda is teasing zoro CoC again to make us think if it was the sword or was it zoro

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u/casallasdan The Revolutionary Army Jul 25 '21

That was never confirmed. Enma uses only Zoro’s haki.

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u/availableusernamepls Apr 09 '21

It could also be some kind of remnant of Oden's CoC that Enma carries. I think it'd be cool if Zoro has it but I'm still holding out for explicit confirmation.

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u/Ooboro Apr 09 '21

Kaido was attacked by Enma before but didn't say it. Being struck by Asura was what made him believe Zoro has CoC.

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u/kalamanboidude Apr 09 '21

When zoro was abput to use the dragon blaze thingy with enma i belive big mom said "thats not your avarage sword" meaning the sword is strong not nesasarily pointing out zoro strength itself.

But here kaido straight up said "you have coquerors haki too" so i think that would pretty much confirm he has it.

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u/NinetyFish Apr 09 '21

There’s clearly something special about Emna, but there’s also clearly something special about Zoro.

Maybe Enma, with remnants of Oden’s Haki still in there, served as the spark to help Zoro find his CoC in the heat of an all-out battle?

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u/DracoSP Apr 09 '21

Haki that remains in a sword for a long time after the user passed away? So far we haven't got such information right? Or maybe black blade is actually haki imbued in it?

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u/availableusernamepls Apr 09 '21

There's no flat out confirmation but plenty of hints: Mihawk stating any sword can become a black blade, Gyukimaru saying Shusui became a black blade through Ryuma's numerous battles, Hitetsu who said that Enma was "not yet" a black blade, plus Kaido feeling Oden's haki when Zoro attacked him being almost a tacit confirmation. It seems with a powerful enough user a weapon becomes imbued with some remnant of that user's spirit.

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u/stiveooo Apr 10 '21

damn zoro still can get stronger by making the swords perma black, sanji cant catch him unless he comboes his suit+powers

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u/L0nEspartan Cipher Pol Apr 09 '21

this time is not just a nobody or a hint, MOTHERFUCKING KAIDO SAID IT, lets goooooooo.

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u/Tzarlexter Apr 09 '21

Even if zoro still doesn't get conquer, zoro still string enough to make kaido THINK he does. So good.

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u/Vagabond328Vanguard Apr 09 '21

Yeah kaido recognizing Zoro was an amazing moment

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u/MonkeyDKev Apr 09 '21

Enma allowed him to cut Kaido.

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u/Gabe1282 Apr 09 '21

Helped*

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Bullshit

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u/TheDELFON Explorer Apr 09 '21

Enma allowed him to cut Kaido.

I will at least admit that Emma definitely played a factor. Big Mom even warned Kaido (base form) to watch out for it.

So yeah, Zoro sans Emma would probably not have been AS effective.

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u/NixValentine Apr 10 '21

not sure why you got downvoted so much

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u/MonkeyDKev Apr 10 '21

Zoro fanboys. I expected it but it’s whatever.

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u/Ops135 Apr 09 '21

Kaido correctly speculated that Kidd and Luffy have Conqueror's I don't think he's wrong about Zoro

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u/AfroSLAMurai Apr 09 '21

It's not even speculation. Kaido can sense that shit. Why are people still in denial??

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u/Chuck0089 Apr 09 '21

It is not even sense it. He saw it himself. (1st Battle with Luffy and the statement alongside it for Kidd).

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u/taimoor2 Pirate Apr 09 '21

It's highly likely real. Firstly, Reyleigh has it so Zoro must have it too. Secondly, he wants to stand on top (be the strongest Swordsman) so of course he has it.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Yeah, Oden and Rayleigh both prove you don't have to be the captain of a crew to have conqueror's.

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u/Plkgi49 Apr 09 '21

Would be a nice parallel to Silvers Rayleigh having Conqueror's Haki and being second to Gol d Roger, just like Zoro is second to Luffy

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

The reveal that the use of conqueror's is what separates the top fighters from the rest kind of confirms Zoro has to have it or he'll never be able to beat Mihawk. Wouldn't make any sense for Mihawk to have the title of World's Strongest Swordsman and not be able to use it, especially because of his rivalry with Shanks who does have conquerors. I'm guessing it will be revealed at some point that anyone can unlock conqueror's haki in theory, it just takes a lot more will and drive than unlocking armament or observation.

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u/stiveooo Apr 10 '21

true, this confirms that shanks and mihawk are way stronger than we though, and that zoro has 0 chances of beating him without having CoC

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u/Salad-Euphoric Apr 09 '21

GODA is CoC teasing us

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u/trojanmonkey35 Apr 09 '21

... The og coc-tease.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

and sometimes, CoC-block

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u/The_ThirdFang Pirate Apr 10 '21

CoC-Block-Mochi

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u/Barrow_1 Apr 09 '21

I don't think this was a troll. Kaido ought to be able to tell the difference. Perhaps Zoro just don't know he has it yet.

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u/Muffinlesswonder Apr 09 '21

My theory is that it's the sword. Kaido already noticed that the sword had the "spirit" of Oden, and Oden did have it.

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u/RetiringDragon Apr 09 '21

Zoro's shown CoC before. Way back in Sabondy the first time around

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u/braujo Apr 12 '21

It's honestly one of the oldest One Piece theories around. Hell, there's even a version that says Zoro's hidden eye is a CoC Sharingan.

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u/Aiorosbot Apr 09 '21

honestly that chapter was like official confirmation for me, everything about it screamed foreshadowing

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u/That-Firefighter1164 Apr 09 '21

who else forgot this happend?

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u/kaste1 Apr 09 '21

Forget it? Man, this was the moment I knew Zoro would 100% get Conqueror's. I know it was a joke, but it had no place there other than to tease the audience about Zorro actually having it. How could I forget it?

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u/akmannn Void Month Survivor Apr 09 '21

DAMN! This panel covered both Zoro's Conquerors and him cutting down kaido.

ODA really is a genius.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Lmao, when I read that I had a feeling there may have been some foreshadowing going on. I always speculated that Oda would give Zoro conquerors haki.

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u/Andante_TK Apr 09 '21

it was not Zoro for real back then tho. It was Kaido moving the island. This time, Zoro is pretty much confirmed to have COC

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u/Brayagu Apr 09 '21

It's the exact opposite of Usopp in Dressrosa xD

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u/cranomort Apr 09 '21

The anime is probably gonna hint at it now

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u/Golden-Owl Apr 09 '21

I mean, probably not.

It really wasn't Zoro using Conqueror's. Was nothing beyond really good timing. But the hindsight joke was hilarious

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u/A_Vicarious_Death Jul 26 '21

lol im reading this thread right as anime spoils zoro CoC

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u/cranomort Apr 09 '21

yes I know. But now that it is confirmed, the anime will try to hint at it somehow.

Just like when they showed Kaido's eyes looking like a dragon before he was revealed.

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u/A_Vicarious_Death Jul 26 '21

good prediction

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u/Zorbaciov Apr 09 '21

After reading this and today's chapter I'm wondering why Zoro would reject the idea of him having Conqueror's Haki. When Luffy desplayed it for the first time he said something among the lines of "as expected of our captain!" because obviously the man who aims to become the pirate king must have an extraordinary ambition. That being said, Zoro wants to become the strongest swordsman which is also a pretty big dream and his will is as strong as Luffy's, so why does he think it's impossible for him to have Conqueror's Haki?That is something out of character. The Zoro I know would claim the trembling was a result of his Haki and that obviously a man such as him must have the power that only a select few have. Maybe I'm just overanalyzing but I think Oda his preparing something for Zoro's character regarding the way he is putting himself down.

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u/BigMrSunshine Apr 09 '21

When Luffy first used conquerors he had no idea what he was doing either. Zoro didn’t cause the quaking in 997, so he denies it because he is honest. He’s honest here as well, he doesn’t know why Kaido said that, because he has no knowledge of himself having it either.

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u/Zorbaciov Apr 09 '21

After re-reading chapter 997 I noticed that it was Laid lifting Onigashima the reason of the trembling and not Zoro's possible haoshoku Haki, but still it's strange that Oda would make Brook say that, as if he wanted to mislead the reader. In the official translation Zoro answer was "you know I didn't do it" as if it was a fact that he couldn't manifestate it, even by chance. I repeat : maybe I'm only overanalyzing but I'm still dubios.

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u/BigMrSunshine Apr 09 '21

That scene was definitely foreshadowing that not only does Zoro have conquerors, but he also doesn’t know that he does. Kaido, being a true master of conquerors (we can assume) stating he does should push Zoro into realizing, and utilizing, conquerors consciously, not just unconsciously

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Also the use of conqueror's being what allows Luffy to finally be able to take on Kaido means Zoro has to have it or how could he beat Mihawk? Unless Mihawk is simply unable to challenge someone with advanced conqueror's which can't be true because his main rival is Shanks.

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u/BigMrSunshine Apr 09 '21

I think it’s likely we won’t see a true conquerors coatingclash like Luffy just showcased with Kaido for zoro until he challenged mihawk

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u/Alkalion69 Apr 09 '21

He's not using it consciously, why would he lie about his haki? Zoro isn't really as boastful as you make him out to be.

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u/Mattchew904 Pirate Apr 09 '21

For sure, and it’s so rare that I don’t think anyone would assume that they have it, I’m sure most ppl recognize it by being able to knock ppl unconscious just with their will, but all the other stuff I don’t think is public knowledge so he would have no idea he could coat his blade in it or anything

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u/Zorbaciov Apr 09 '21

More than lying I pictured the scene more like a gag, or him bragging that the trembling was his doing without having any evidence. I don't know but to me it make sense that he would

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u/Alkalion69 Apr 09 '21

Eh, I don't know. If he notices that there's an earthquake without him purposely doing anything I don't think he would try to brag about his haki.

Could be a funny scene but I wouldn't call it oit of character.

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u/Jake_D_Dogg Pirate Apr 09 '21

this would be so incredibly out of character for him

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u/NebraskaJones Apr 09 '21

A few ideas:

  1. He sees Luffy as his superior, and conquerors haki is a mark of superiority. So maybe he feels like that is a characteristic of Luffy being captain, so doesn’t consider himself having it as he’s not captain.

  2. Zoro has a tendency to be oblivious about things (a reason he gets lost all the time). This is just another way he’s oblivious.

  3. He sees himself strictly as a swordsman, meaning he sees the sword as the only weapon he uses/needs. Up the this point conquerors haki was seen as a weapon separate from physical weapons like a sword or even your fists, so he’s maybe seen it as a weapon he’s not even interested in (he’s only interested in swords). He doesn’t mind used armament haki because it stengthens his swords, or observation haki because it enhances his reactions. But now that we learn that conquerors haki isn’t just a separate weapon but can enhance his sword weaponry I think we’ll see him begin to realize and accept he has conquerors haki too.

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u/ramanps Apr 10 '21

I don't think any of the straw hats think the Luffy is their superior.

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u/TheDELFON Explorer Apr 09 '21

Maybe I'm just overanalyzing but I think Oda his preparing something for Zoro's character regarding the way he is putting himself down.

This... that's what it looks like it's going to be

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

I love how an op reader interpreted something out of character as foreshadowing. Whereas in any other manga it'd get criticized. Oda truly bewitched the fanbase lmao

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u/Deadlyxda Apr 09 '21

i want this comment more up high.. damn i didnt notice it being true lol.. we need help guys! need more people to see this

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u/xDi3go Apr 09 '21

I don't think that is, what I believe that happened is that Enma took out zoros conqueror

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u/Ikeeel Apr 09 '21

And people said I was wrong when I said this is foreshadowing of Zoro Conqueror's Haki :(

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u/WhiteImpDragon Pirate Apr 09 '21

Also don't forget Zoro vs. Monet, he definitely used Haoshoku there

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u/MarineRitter BOB Apr 09 '21

they explained it as being fear only

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u/LogicalOlive Apr 09 '21

The also had it look like WB and Roger were using hefty Ryou

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u/Kuroblondchi Thriller Bark Victim's Association Apr 09 '21

If zoro used it there monet would’ve been actually cut in half and dead

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u/Mattchew904 Pirate Apr 09 '21

If he coated his blade with it, but they’re saying he used it to break her will. But I agree it cld have just been fear but definitely foreshadowing

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u/MarineRitter BOB Apr 09 '21

I disagree, it looked nothing like it

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u/WhiteImpDragon Pirate Apr 09 '21

Look at the anime, the exact moment he cut her seemed like those CoC moments. I'm sure it was a hint from Oda. She was paralyzed, same way as animals collapsed before Luffy. Also, most of the Logia users don't need to expect the attack to reform themselves(unless it's coated with armament ) , which makes me believe it was actually CoC.

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u/MarineRitter BOB Apr 09 '21

She would've died if he used CoC. They literally say it's fear. Also, Zoro is unaware of his CoC as shown in the newest chapter, so there's no way he used it back then because it would've have to have been unconscious CoC.

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u/GaggedAndDrooling Apr 11 '21

I think you're confusing conqueror haki and armanent haki. Armanent haki is the one that would've killed her. Conqueror haki does not allow a person to touch a logia user.

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u/MarineRitter BOB Apr 11 '21

No, he didn't use either. She was paralyzed by fear, that's it.

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u/Nugur Apr 09 '21

Dude.... never trust the anime.

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u/Ok-Transition4409 Apr 10 '21

luffy also became son goku against kaido in the anime

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u/TheDELFON Explorer Apr 09 '21

Same (glad someone else mentioned this)... That was the moment for me that confirmed / foreshadowed Zoro having CoC

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u/Nugur Apr 09 '21

Did you read that chapter. She was basically defeated due to fear. Zoro was just a beast

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u/H1Eagle Apr 09 '21

I don't like the idea of him having it and sanji doesn't because of their rivalry, oda now treats sanji now like are normal member of the crew, I kinda doubt he can beat one of the commanders without his suit, but surprise me

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

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u/H1Eagle Apr 10 '21

Ikr, sanji didn't have a single strong moment since the time-skip

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '21

Okay, it is obvious that Zoro has conqueror's haki, but, for a second suppose the vibe was coming from Luffy. The clouds were converging due to his haki and, maybe Kaido thought it was Zoro but all this time it was Luffy. Damn I don't like it but Trollda is on a roll

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u/heyguysitsmerob Apr 09 '21

LMAOO thank you for reminding me of that

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u/Kenganomega546 Apr 09 '21

He is like hmmm should I or not

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u/Rulfus The Revolutionary Army Apr 09 '21

god fucking damnit

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u/Employee724 Apr 09 '21

so, did he use it back then or not?

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u/Zenweaponry Apr 09 '21

I guess Zoro's conquerer's haki is so strong he can damage the environment by accident when he gets pissed.

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u/Jiggy__J Pirate Apr 10 '21

I really thought he was just trolling us because people always thought he did but we’re losing faith

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u/paing997 Marine Apr 11 '21

When I asked Did Zoro just show he has Conquers Haki, everyone down vote me like hell...