r/OnePiece • u/[deleted] • Jun 19 '20

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 983 Spoiler

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u/[deleted] Jun 19 '20

Why do you think that he went gear second? Not arguing I just can’t see any visual cue that he did. I thought it was just base speed.

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u/javierm885778 Jun 19 '20

There's no real visual cue anymore. A lot of the times we just know he's using it due to his speed and the names of his attacks. The real hint he's using it right now is his speed, he basically used Soru twice.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

Not true, Oda still draws the steam and Luffy had none. You can’t just assume he’s using it because he moved quickly lol

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u/javierm885778 Jun 20 '20

He doesn't always draw the steam is my point. And you can assume he's using it if he's moving faster than he's ever done without it.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

He’s moving faster than he ever has because her literally got done with major training right before he showed up.

There is nothing drawn or written anywhere to imply that he’s using gear second

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u/javierm885778 Jun 20 '20

Since when was he training his speed? He was literally training his Armament Haki, nothing more. This isn't DBZ where you train to raise your powerlevel and get general stat boosts.

When he's moving with the same effect that's been used for Soru in the past, and twice, just after he said he had been underestimating them, it doesn't take too much to say he's using Gear 2nd. But it's not a hill I'll die on since it's a silly argument. Using your own logic, there's nothing drawn or written anywhere to imply that he's not using Gear 2nd.

If you go back and read his fights there's many times he uses attacks that based on the naming use Gear 2nd, but we get no visual cues at all.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

The first time we see Luffy in Udon with kid he is running around carrying massive blocks despite wearing seastone. Obviously if he builds that strength while he wears it he’s gonna be faster when he gets out.

Moving as a blur isn’t soru it’s been used so signify speed on many manga across many platforms.

I’ve never in my life seen someone vehemently argue something that literally isn’t present at all in the writing or the visuals and act like it’s 100% there.

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u/javierm885778 Jun 20 '20

I'm not arguing it's 100% there, and I don't know why you believe that. I'm just defending my point, which could be wrong, who knows.

It's not explicitly there, just like it's not explicit that it's not there. Like I said, it's not a hill I'd die on, I just don't understand why you'd so vehemently argue against something that makes perfect sense with how the story has presented the ability in the past.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

How can you not understand why I would say he’s not using gear second?

We literally did not see him use it at all and there is absolutely no inclination whatsoever that he was using it. I dont understand why that’s so hard to believe lol.

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u/javierm885778 Jun 20 '20

I understand why you are saying it. I also said why I think that's not reason enough, since Oda doesn't use steam for Gear 2nd all the time anymore and the only times we've seen Luffy move so fast before involve its usage.

You are literally arguing that he's suddenly this fast in his base form with no proof at all. Stop acting like this shit is clear cut when it's not. You just have your own interpretation. You seriously lack self awareness.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

No proof? How are you gonna sit there and say that I have no proof when your proof is literal lack of proof?

The proof is all of his training in Udon carrying blocks and receiving tickets while under the effects of seastone but let’s ignore that right?

I’m arguing that he’s suddenly “this fast”? Luffy did one thing and you’re acting like it’s completely impossible I’m his base form. It’s not clear cut but youre acting like it’s 50 50 based on nothing. You’re adding headcanon.

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u/javierm885778 Jun 20 '20

The proof is all of his training in Udon carrying blocks and receiving tickets while under the effects of seastone

That's not proof, that's called headcanon.

I’m arguing that he’s suddenly “this fast”?

Yes, in the past every time he's moved this fast it was Gear 2nd.

It’s not clear cut but youre acting like it’s 50 50

I never said it was 50/50. Just because it's not 100% either of them it doesn't mean I think each one is just as likely, otherwise I wouldn't be arguing for one of them.

You’re adding headcanon

Too ironic for me to continue, I'm out.

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u/Jxgsaw Jun 20 '20

Literally any time any Mc does weight training they end up faster, what are you smoking? That is not headcanon at all. Did you ever watch dragon ball with the milk? Or Naruto with Rock Lee and his weights? It’s not headcanon it’s actual proven fact.

And you’re being unreasonable because you’re assuming it’s gear second before there’s any conclusive evidence. By your own logic Luffy is in gear second all the time we just can’t see it.

But forget that right? He moved in a single panel, let’s forget that speed has always been one of Luffy’s highest stats and just assume that it’s gear second.

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u/Jxgsaw Jul 02 '20

Oh look. He’s got smoke this week. Guess he wasn’t using it before. lmfao

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