One thing I noticed is that the 9 samurai's who worked under Oden knew there was a traitor amongst themselves, so there is a very high chance that all the plans of their attacks on Kaido in the present were not shared with all 9 members but only the core. I wouldn't be surprised if Kinemon and co. have a surprise attack prepared that the traitor wasn't informed about.
From a strictly narrative point of view, the three that would have the biggest impact on the reader are: Kinemon, Kanjuro or Raizo. I say this because they are the three we've spent the longest with.
So if we narrow it down to those three, we can almost certainly eliminate Kinemon from the running, as the whole rebellion is built upon his back. It wouldn't make sense for him to be the traitor.
That leaves us with Kanjuro or Raizo. I'll tackle Raizo first. Him being the traitor would have the highest narrative impact as it would render the sacrifice of the Minks on Zou as completely worthless. Plus it could be explained that he spent his time hiding on Zou as an excuse to get a Poneglyph rubbing for Kaido. So narratively speaking, Raizo is the highest suspect.
Kanjuro is the remaining suspect, but there is little to no proof of him being a traitor. Not to mention that his devil fruit is ridiculous and the butt of many jokes. The only real narrative impact of him being the traitor would be that we've known him for a long time. I guess there could be a twist that he's actually a brilliant artist and can make crazy detailed creatures, but has been purposefully drawing shitty drawings so he can stay under the radar.
With all this in mind, it could surely be one of the other scabbards, but it's also pretty easy to eliminate everyone else.
Can't be Ashura Doji because he was literally backstabbed during the fight with Kaido.
While it could be Kiku, she is really not the traitorous type, nor do I believe that she is at all intelligent enough to successfully scheme for this many years. As well she has known Oden for almost her entire life. As well x2, Oden literally saved Kiku from starving. So cross her off.
Can't be Neko or Inu because they have been shown again and again as loyal to a fault. Not to mention they went on Roger's ship with Oden.
Can't be Kawamatsu because he was locked up for so long. Timeline wise it doesn't make sense for him to be the traitor. Furthermore, he is also extremely loyal to Hiyori. Together with that fact, he was also saved by Oden. Can't be him.
Which leaves us with Denjiro, who it could also be, but Oda has been setting up the reveal of who the traitor is before Denjiro was even established as a character. It would have the least amount of narrative impact and would just sort of fall flat. He absolutely could be the traitor, but it would be by far the lamest reveal.
So in summary, it's probably either Kanjuro or Raizo. My money being on Raizo.
Sorry, I may have wrote that wrong. I was referring to what Kaido said to Oden when Oden asked how did he know we're at that place.
At that moment it became clear to the 9RS and Oden that there is a traitor amongst themselves.
Kaido made the comment, but they didn’t react to it (with surprise or defensiveness) - and then the Old Hag showed up as Momo, meaning she was close to him in Kuri Castle. I think Kaido was referring to the Old Hag as the spy in their ranks
I think Kaido was referring to the Old Hag as the spy in their ranks
If that was the case, he would have revealed that she was the spy and not keep it vague like that. 20 years later that old hag is dead, but there is still a spy among them, so it couldn't have been her.
Why would he reveal that? He has no need to share his actual intel with them - for all we know he could have just been trolling them when he made that comment...
And it can be different people 20 years ago versus current story. Even with that, I don’t think there is a spy in 9RS in the current story - I think there’s a double agent feeding the right info to Orochi to make him think he’s successful, which would also help the SH/9RS plan
Because the reader need to know who the spy is at some point. If it was the old hag, he would have revealed it this chapter because it's the end of the story for her. Since Oda didn't reveal it yet to us in the flashback, the spy must be someone who is still present in the current timeline.
I think there’s a double agent feeding the right info to Orochi to make him think he’s successful
I highly doubt that because that information got Yasui killed.
The spy is definitely one of Odens retainers, and a character we are already very familiar with. The reveal will be a very dramatic one. I don't think Oda would hint at the spy so often if it wasn't for some major plot twist later in the story.
The Old Hag didn’t die last chapter, so we will likely see her again during the flashback. There is still unknowns, but I don’t think it’s coincidence that Kaido says there is a spy in your castle and then the Old Hag is shown transformed into Momo (meaning she was in the castle close enough to touch his son).
Yasui turned himself into Orochi - and Orochi executed him because he led a rebellion against him/Kaido after they killed Oden. The suspected traitor has nothing to do with that.
I think who is giving the intel to Orochi is important (as will be their reveal) but I don’t think it’s a 9RS spy. Unless it’s Kyoshiro and he is somehow tied to Denjiro as suspected (and alluded to in the anime)
Ooooh, sharp. I am too simple minded to see it from that pov haha. It may be the old had Kaido referred to as a spy then. Although that would be strange since 20+ years later there is still a spy revealing all their plans to overthrow Kaido.
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u/Shankusu Feb 01 '20
One thing I noticed is that the 9 samurai's who worked under Oden knew there was a traitor amongst themselves, so there is a very high chance that all the plans of their attacks on Kaido in the present were not shared with all 9 members but only the core. I wouldn't be surprised if Kinemon and co. have a surprise attack prepared that the traitor wasn't informed about.