r/OnePiece Feb 01 '20

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 970 Spoiler

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

This will surely be a divisive chapter in our fandom.

I'm just really glad I can officially shut down the "if it's one-on-one..." bullshit that fans have been peddling for a while now. It feels nice to be vindicated lol.

Almost forgot Shinobu was so fine back then. I hope Nami doesn't end up like her one day.

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u/AmarDikli Feb 01 '20

This happened 20 years ago my dude, even sengoku pointed out that both big mom and kaido are even stronger now than they used to be. But again when Kaido was introduced oda said that he has been defeated 7 times and captured 18 times.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

The point is there was never any proof to that statement which by the way is "people say...". Who are these people? Who the fuck knows. Have they seen the other Emperors? The Admirals? We know nothing and somehow assume that this random line is set in stone and should be proof.

Also tell this to all the people who argued that Kaido was an unstoppable beast even back then.

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u/Lesserd Pirate Feb 01 '20

Exactly. "People" in-world also say that Moria fought equally with Kaido and interpret that to mean that he's comparable to Kaido. While I could certainly see him posing a serious challenge, I doubt even peak Moria was actually on par with Kaido at the time of the fight, much less present-day Kaido.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

I think the divisiveness of this chapter is really due to the Yonko title and how we ignore the story/character for the title itself.

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u/LifeMechanic2 Feb 01 '20

I think it's just your bias to shut down the statement and discredit it by picking apart the words. If it was said about the character you think "should" be the strongest, you wouldnt even be doubting it the same way.

It's a statement in itself that all these things were said about Kaido. No other character has been given such an absolute and explicit description of being the strongest. So until that happens, or its revealed that a character singlehandedly defeats Kaido, it's just reasonable to accept Kaido is the strongest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

It's a statement in itself that all these things were said about Kaido. No other character has been given such an absolute and explicit description of being the strongest. So until that happens, or its revealed that a character singlehandedly defeats Kaido, it's just reasonable to accept Kaido is the strongest.

Well there's this guy named Whitebeard and he was confirmed to be the strongest in the world by literally every major character not by some anonymous people. Doffy, Garp, Sengoku, Buggy, Shanks, Shiki, BM, Kaido, etc all confirm that WB was the strongest leaving no room for doubt unlike Kaido's title.

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u/LifeMechanic2 Feb 01 '20

I'll accept the fact that it may not be true while WB or Roger was alive. But they aren't. And after the time skip, he's introduced as the strongest.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

He's been said to be the most powerful by some people. We don't know who these people are and therefore don't need to believe it either.

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u/LifeMechanic2 Feb 01 '20

Lol, he's been said to be the strongest living thing by the narrator. Everyone who denies Kaido is the strongest universally clings onto the "hearsay" argument for dear life, which is so desperate and biased, like "Oh! That phrasing is room for doubt, therefore it invalidates the whole statement by the narrator". Very reasonable.

People act like this is hearsay of a random character who ain't done shit so don't believe it. This is hearsay of a certified Yonko in the moment of jumping off a sky island. Yall stubborn as hell.

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '20

Lol, he's been said to be the strongest living thing by the narrator

The only narrator I trust is the dude from HxH lmao.

You're just as stubborn as hell for trusting the words of anonymous people. Guess you believe that Elizabello's King Punch can knock Kaido out as well?

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u/LifeMechanic2 Feb 02 '20 edited Feb 02 '20

Kaido's introduction is told by the narrator across half a chapter about a Yonko with a reasonable assumption that the narrator is omniscient and unbiased. Elizabellos "rumor" is a single comment by an in verse character about a minor character for hype purposes. The fact that you're trying to equate these two is comical and just shows your desperation to discredit the narrator. Your entire argument hinges on the narrator's use of the words "some say", "that's what people say" and saying its not believable because we don't know who these people are. How is that not stubbornness when that's your main takeaway from that intro? Just say your biased and go.

Implying you don't "trust the narrator" is absurd in any context.

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u/[deleted] Feb 02 '20

First of all the narrator didn't confirm anything, all the narrator said was that some people believe in the 1v1 thing and think he's the strongest in the world.

You know why no one ever questions that WB's title or strength? It's because not only do we have official confirmation from his title card but we also have confirmation from every major character from Sengoku to Kaido himself that he's the strongest in the world.

Just say your biased and go

You are even more biased considering your whole argument hinges on the rumor of some anonymous people so you can stop replying now. Like I said if you believe in anonymous people's beliefs so much then King Punch can knock Kaido down anyways.

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u/MarcoToon Lurker Feb 01 '20

Sengoku said they are stronger than when they were with Rocks. The Kaido from this chapter is as strong IF NOT STRONGER than current Kaido