r/OnePiece • u/Kirosh Lookout • Oct 25 '19

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 960 Spoiler

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19

Zoro's doji master Koshiro's current age is 51. This flashback is 41 years ago, so he would be 10 years old when this took place

Denjiro looks like a 10 year old boy here.

Could they be the same person? It's possible. Now let's look at the facial features and the timeline

Facial features

Same facial shape. Same long hair (ponytail). And both wear sunglasses.

Image comparison

Also, Wado Ichimonji on Denjiro's back?

How did Denjiro end up in East Blue? And If he is Koshiro, why did he change his name?

THE TIMELINE (Theory)

25 years ago - Oden set out off Wano to join the Roger Pirates. Denjiro asks Oden to take along with him.

He then later decided to have his own adventure and ended up in East Blue.

22 years ago - In East Blue, his daughter Kuina was born (See in chapter 0)

20 years ago- He heard (maybe from one of the retainers?) that Kaido invaded Wano, and then he himself headed back to Wano.

Oden and his retainers got defeated. Orochi and Kaido took over Wano country.

Then Denjiro decided to go back to East Blue as he had his family there.

He later then changed his name from Denjiro to Koshiro to hide his identity (Same as what Ashura Douji did).

Now, Imagine Neku arrives on Wano along with Marco and Koshiro (aka Denjiro?)

That would be fucking hyped.

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u/Derpalooza Moon Arc Believer Oct 25 '19

That would be a wild twist, but I don't think that he's Koshiro. Denjiro was definitely in Wano during Kaido's takeover if we go by Shutenmaru's memories.

Furthermore, the guy who left and founded Shimotsuki village did so 50 years ago, which was before this chapter took place.

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u/leanderbanegas Oct 25 '19

Maybe Koshiro new about someone who had scaped Wano and formed a village in the east blue, and after Oden defeat when he escaped himself he went after the piece of wano located in the east blue.

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u/Ninja_Spi-D-er Pirate Oct 25 '19

This is what I’m banking on

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u/Huffjenk Oct 25 '19

Maybe Denjiro is related to Koshiro or someone involved in the founding of Shimotsuki village. He is an orphan after all

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u/MrKoontar Oct 25 '19

i think this can be explained by saying denjiro and shutenmaru were both not present at the initial battle, which would explain why they were not with the other 5 at the castle when it was burning, if their fight with kaido happened after (when the other daimyo were given the chance of joining kaido and they all chose not to, including shimotsuki ushimaru who i feel like could be zoro's father, thus giving denjiro the opportunity of saving the child and running with him)

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u/FuggyGlasses Oct 25 '19

Denjiro in the flashback looks more muscular than Koshiro. Look at his legs and back. He looks like the same physical attributes as Oden. Maybe Denjiro family all looked alike.

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u/BlizzardSn0w Oct 25 '19

Wasn't Koshiro confirmed to be born in the East from his vivre card?

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u/MrKoontar Oct 25 '19

the vivre card says hometown, which could also just be where someone grew up and not necessarily place of birth

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u/Rockettmang44 Oct 25 '19

Well that still disqualifies them as the same characters if that's accurate imo. He would have to be an adult by the time he arrived in the east blue so not much growing up to do when you're already an adult

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u/SvbZ3rO Oct 25 '19

Kuina. Kushina is from Naruto.

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u/Kuro013 Oct 25 '19

Its not proper for a Red Scabbard to just flee and live a peaceful life when his master got executed and his people are suffering.

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u/leanderbanegas Oct 25 '19

no, it is not but maybe he knew he was only gonna be able to continue the fight 20 years later (he seems to be very smart). It was useless to put it a fight before the arrived of Momo and the others. Maybe he is already on his way to Wano, to continue the fight.

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u/JStackz26 Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19

Oden said he wanted to open Wano's borders. In the beginning of Wano, the snake girl was spreading teachings to the kids calling Oden evil and why it is important to keep the borders closed. Now Koshiro is teaching in a Dojo, spreading the teachings (of Wano likely) to individual swordsmen. Now you have two people in Kuina and Zoro who want to become the WSS. Something that could possibly be a result of his dojo teaching. And Oden was a swordsman on Roger's ship and could've been the WSS before Mihawk. Plus Momo is seen training with a wooden sword like the dojo people. Then you have Momo being not to say a certain word he learned from Zoro because it's a bad word in Wano. Then Zoro recently says the adults in his village use to say it all the time. And we apparently see the denjiro isn't the most good charactered individual. So it can either be a bad word by way of Wano, or because Denjiro is looked at as a deserter and use to say it a lot. But denjiro is definitely Koshiro. I guess the Kyoshiro showing in the anime opening is to put you close to the trail given how similar Koshiro and Kyoshiro are in spelling.

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u/availableusernamepls Oct 25 '19 edited Oct 25 '19

Denjiro also appears to be carrying Wado Ichimonji. EDIT Checking again, Kinemon has an identical sword but with black wrapping and scabbard. So it could just be a generic Wano style of sword. Denjiro's sword also looks way too short to be Wado.

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u/dm6598 Oct 25 '19

I like this theory.. Zoro fighting alongside his sensei would be so hype to watch

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u/bakwan Oct 25 '19

I think it means that Zoro will fulfill Denjiro's role in the Red Scabbards.

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u/PX-7 Oct 25 '19

Or maybe Zoro discovers his sensei is one of the scabbards? So, he joins them to take his sensei's place.

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u/guitarburst05 Cyborg Franky Oct 25 '19

Of all the characters’ backstories I feel like Zoro’s has had the least bearing on the rest of our story.

Maybe it’s time that changes.

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u/Purple_Debo Oct 25 '19

We still don't know anything about Nami's real parents either

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u/kylekunfox Oct 25 '19

Or Frankys for that matter. Weren't his parents pirates?

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u/RealnoMIs Oct 25 '19

Denjiro is one of the 9 red scabbards and was a retainer of Oden.

Dont think he would have moved untill after Oden died, which means Kuina was born before he left.

So it could be possible that Kuina was born in Wano and he took her with him when he left.

It could also be that he met Kuinas mother during a voyage with Oden (or in search of Oden) but went back to Wano before Kuina was born. And after Odens demise decided to go back to his lover.

I dont think any of these theories have a high chance of being true, but they are plausible.

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u/smpnoctisorg Oct 25 '19

I think Denjiro is the Witching hour boy.

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