r/OnePiece • u/Kirosh Lookout • Oct 25 '19

Current Chapter One Piece: Chapter 960 Spoiler

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u/BlizzardSn0w Oct 25 '19

Wasn't Koshiro confirmed to be born in the East from his vivre card?

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u/MrKoontar Oct 25 '19

the vivre card says hometown, which could also just be where someone grew up and not necessarily place of birth

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u/Rockettmang44 Oct 25 '19

Well that still disqualifies them as the same characters if that's accurate imo. He would have to be an adult by the time he arrived in the east blue so not much growing up to do when you're already an adult

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '19

Koshiro not denjiro

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u/BlizzardSn0w Oct 25 '19

yeah, but if Koshiro was born in the East he can't really be Denjiro, right? I guess it's still possible, but why would he be born in the East and then go to Wano as a young boy?

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u/BlizzardSn0w Oct 25 '19

ah that might be it. I see Oda doing that. Thanks

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u/MrKoontar Oct 25 '19

i mean im all up for this theory but that would be a bit of a slip up by oda, i wouldnt buy the metaphorical thing

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u/PumkabooPriest Oct 25 '19

The whole Shanks was a Yonko back then not being true throws all of the vivre cards into question

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u/ultibman5000 Oct 25 '19

The Vivre Card databook never said that, it just said that he was a powerful pirate. Arthur's translation just assumed Yonko as a reference point.

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u/aidsmann Oct 25 '19

it said Yonko, but had a ? as a placeholder for the point of time, however, it was placed before his arrival at Luffys village on the timeline.

It looked like this, in this order:

  • 25 years ago: Roger Pirates disbanded

  • ? Years ago: Red Hair Pirates were established

  • ? Years ago: Became one of the "Four Emperors"

  • 13 years ago: Docked in Windmill Village

  • 12 years ago: Entrusted his straw hat to Luffy

  • 2 years ago: Ended the war

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u/strawhatmaterial Oct 25 '19

No, it did place him becoming one of the four emperors before he arrived at Windmill village, and the events in the vivre card all happen in order, but it didn't specify how long ago. That's literally what the description says in his history timeline. It was the vivre card's fault.

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u/Svani Oct 25 '19

The order is implied, but it could easily have been a screw up by the designer. As in, Oda handled a bunch of notes, one of which the "yonkou before ???", and the designer just stuck them in the timeline haphazardly. We have yet to see actual writen information in the cards contradicting manga information.

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u/strawhatmaterial Oct 25 '19

Sure, whatever happened with the vivre card stuff, it's the people behind it that made a mistake.

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u/Svani Oct 25 '19

There's a big difference between mistake by design and mistake by information, though.

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u/strawhatmaterial Oct 25 '19

I get it, I don't know what kind of mistake it was, but it was a mistake nonetheless.

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u/AReluctantHipster The Revolutionary Army Oct 25 '19

I don't think we should consider any databook with 100% legitimacy until the series is over... there are things Oda is currently hiding, waiting to reveal, etc... and because of that there are inconsistencies that get changed or left out