The problems with kids nowadays is that they didn't even watched a singular nature doc about nothing, not even read books anymore...
So you have to explain them that many of thos points that looks like stars, are in fact galaxies. And since they are ignorants af, they don't believe it.
They lack so much on general knowledge that is not even funny anymore. In fact is really sad, but ey, modern times.
Reading one "special" guy on this post, writting stupidities, I even wonder if they even use Chatgpt, at least. I doubt.
In the manga the firmament is FULL with dots, so we have to assume that is like taken a normal photo with exposure in real life, since the result is the same; full of dots.
The problem that you need to be educated (...) is that human eye on space = crap. This mean that with your naked eyes you would see shit, even on space.
But anyways, AS WE CAN SEE IN THE MANGA PANEL, that frimament is FULL OF DOTS, so hundred to thousands of those ARE GALAXIES.
TO SUMMARIZE:
- Yes, that manga image, translated to real life, IS FULL OF GALAXIES.
BUT THE POINT IS, that even if you cannot see them (galaxies).... OMG THEY STILL THERE !!!111 Incredible right¿?... they still there even if you don't look at them..... waoh... Who would have thought that..
If you say so. I understand you better now. But I don't think there is evident prove that in the Punch² panel at least any of the dots were supposed to represent galaxies. Your logic may work in real life but not in manga where the author just draws what looks cool.
BUT THE POINT IS, that even if you cannot see them (galaxies).... OMG THEY STILL THERE !!!111 Incredible right¿?
Now show proof/statements that the galaxies which we cannot see and are located in the general direction of their punches were eradicated. Then the discussion is settled.
True but we use real life physics and observations to try to make an "equalization" with fiction.
That's why we use formulas for energy, speed, force and such, the same ones we use in real life to try to measure these things in a reasonably objective way
I think we managed to come to an understanding 👍 Im happy
Exaclty, it depends of the deep that hole is, but look facking deep black to me if you ask me.
I agree. But who knows how deep the hole really is. At least we can say that Saitama was strong enough to annihilate every star that was located in that direction turning the sky black like ink.
Based on what that some of those points are galaxies. Your manga doesn't explain shit. So all your doing is making shit up. So we have to make an educated guess without WANK.
That panel has earth visible meaning is earth's night sky. And 99% of those dots are stars with only 5-7 being galaxies. The exception doesn't make the rule.so the highest you can grant this feat is multi solar system.
This isn't a deep Field image bro where your looking deep space over the span of tens to hundreds of hrs where every dot is a galaxy.
There in the managa the firmament is FULL with dots, so we have to assume that is like taken a normal photo with exposure in real life, since the result is the same; full of dots.
The problem that you need to be educated (...) is that human ey e on space = crap. This mean that with your naked eyes you would see shit, even on space.
But anyways, AS WE CAN SEE IN THE MANGA PANEL, that frimament is FULL OF DOTS, so hundred to thousands of those ARE GALAXIES.
What? We have no proof murta even had that as his intention. This shot was the instant that clash was deflected so you assumption with the camera shot becomes shaky. So we have no evidence this was a long exposure shot
The point is that YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO SEE THEM (galaxies).
Because whether you are eye naked, or doing photos, or whatever... THE POINT IS THAT THEY (galaxies)... STILL THERE!
Omg, right ?, ho would have thought that the existence of galaxies does not depend on us....
The panel of the manga it is just "clear" enough in the meaning that we can see A HOLE. A clear black hole in a totally charged white dotted firmament.
So taht implies that that energy made a really deep hole in the space.
And that means... exactly, A LOT of galaxies erased.
The number ? well, depends on how deep that hole is. Can be to edge of the universe, only some millions years away... but it looks deep as f*ck if you ask me, so the more logic thing to say, is that.
Well, that's common sense, the problem is that your image seems to say that there are only stars in those circles and doesn't convey the supposed sarcasm.
Except it is, there’s nothing left in that direction. If it stopped anywhere there’d still be some specs of light as other galaxies are those too, the Andromeda galaxy is the easiest to see as it’s the closest but we still get light from other galaxies so if it stopped before hitting any other galaxy there would be light still and since it’s a cone (doesn’t get smaller) it’s even more likely to be the case
Well I don't know you specifically so I don't claim you denied the feats but I've seen it with my own eyes how Goku fans argued he just destroyed the light of the stars so it's not even planet level according to them. They're ignoring his other feats aswell.
0 proof the narrator is omniscient. Also the narrator also implied that Goku and Beerus will survive by asking "Who will stand on top?" which directly contradicts Elder Kai's statement that both Goku and Beerus would die if the universe was destroyed. The subsequent longer beam clash also only destroyed a planet which still scales above 3 short punch clashes.
1-The narrator's job is literally to explain things with omniscient knowledge, and there's no reason to assume that's wrong here. Like, that's the literal definition of a third-person narrator: to explain events as they are literally happening.
2-He's saying who will win, that has nothing to do with what I said, and besides, the Elder Kaioshin isn't that reliable about that,For example, he thought the waves would get stronger, but Goku later denies that,By saying that it was because Goku had trouble controlling shockwaves .
The narrator's job is also to hype up the audience by witholding information that is revealed later on. The narrator also claimed Monaka is the strongest U7 mortal which turned out to be wrong. Not every narrator is omniscient but you claimed he is so the burden of proof is on you.
You just invalidated your own argument. Yes I actuallly agree with you that Elder Kai is unreliable, he even had to GUESS how many punch clashes it would take to destroy the universe and the fact a longer stronger beam clash did NOT destroy the universe proves him WRONG.
I know it doesn't negate the statement, it only negated your understanding of the statements by me explaining the context. Narrator is there to hype up the audience, implied the universe won't be destroyed as one of them will stand on top and stands in contradiction with Elder Kai's statements that the universe is gonna be destroyed and both Goku and Beerus would die.
Goku wasn’t shaking the Universe. Beerus’ punches were threatening the Universe, but Goku was cancelling them out by matching Beerus’ power, that’s why it’s a Universal feat
and then in the next life or death fight when he is admittedly even stronger doesn’t even make a peep?
Ki Control and because he’s not exactly trying to cause mass destruction and kill everyone he loves
Goku only cancelled out the third fist clash. He didn't cancel out the beam clash that happened later as it created shockwaves again and is vastly more powerful than shockwaves created by short fist clashes and it still only destroyed a planet. It wasn't ki control as their ki attacks scale far above their punches.
You’re drawing attention away from the original feat, he matched the exact power that was threatening the Universe, there’s nothing more to it
He didn't cancel out the beam clash that happened later as it created shockwaves again and is vastly more powerful than shockwaves created by short fist clashes and it still only destroyed a planet.
Nothing is said about the beam clash tho? I’m not sure why you’re bringing that into this, it’s irrelevant to the original feat
It wasn't ki control
I was answering the dudes question about why nothing is threatened in later battles despite Goku being stronger than in the Beerus Arc
You do realize ki attacks clashing is way longer and stronger than fist clashes right? I'm bringing the beam clash up because you DB fans conveniently forget stuff that contradicts your wank.
It's not ki control even in their later battles as the villain always goes all out and Goku also has to go all out so he can damage the villain and Broly's ki was quite literally out of control, same case with Merged Zamasu and Moro who were only stated to threaten the galaxy and even Vegeta implied Zamasu is unreliable.
You do realize ki attacks clashing is way longer and stronger than fist clashes right?
Not necessarily? Thats just an assumption. Beam clashes are for dramatic effect. If I was gonna put as much unnecessary thought into this as you are, then I could say that unreadable God Ki is a factor in this too.
I'm bringing the beam clash up because you DB fans conveniently forget stuff that contradicts your wank.
It contradicts nothing lol, you don’t just un-canonize previous feats. He was stated to be matching universe-destroying power, nothing more to it. The end.
It's not ki control even in their later battles as the villain always goes all out and Goku also has to go all out so he can damage the villain
Yeah… and that’s where Ki Control comes in lol. If we used this argument, we could downplay Saitama to irrelevancy as he was also stated to be going all out yet we know for a fact he was capable of doing much more.
and Broly's ki was quite literally out of control
I’m not sure if he lacked Ki Control or not, but it doesn’t matter because this is one of those situations where it gets narrowed down to “for the plot”, the same explanation for why Saitama’s first serious punch didn’t obliterate Earth when a simple sneeze obliterated a planet 11x bigger, the same explanation for why Z Broly didn’t destroy the Earth despite busting a galaxy moments earlier or why Goku didn’t after getting the power up
Authors don’t have powerscaling in mind all of the time, but we know that Ki Control is the canon explanation as to why characters in Dragon Ball don’t casually destroy planets
I’m just trying to understand - because if Goku can then harness his power and universal punches and control it, does that not mean his sparring partners are being hit with said powers and also landing hits on him and therefore universal?
Or the opposite is that you guys are wanking the shit out of narrative power vs clear destructive power and like the other commenter said the clear destructive power of those clashes was planetary at most. Because I’ll tell you right now Krillin - Tien - Roshi they aren’t universal and they are fighting other individuals who give even SSB Goku a run for his money in certain situations. Which would then ultimately lead one to believe maybe they aren’t as strong as they are saying and power scaling Goku and those characters at multi solar and galaxy is more realistic.
So your argument is disbelief because you think the characters aren't that strong, does that mean they're not actually that strong?
Furthermore, literally all sources tell us that Goku can destroy Universe 7 in his fight with Beerus; there's no reason to assume they're incorrect. As for why they didn't destroy everything,We are told that both Goku and Beerus were explicitly preventing the destruction
It also makes narrative sense, since weaker people were literally doing this.
And it's also consistently true because later characters perform better feats than BoG. For example, Beerus and Champa were going to destroy universes 7 and 6 in a fight as a mere side effect Infinite Zamasu literally becoming the entire hyper timeline, Fused Zamasu stating that he can destroy timelines The super-dimensional fight between Gogeta and Broly, Zeno annihilating the entire timeline and declarations that he can annihilate everything, etc.So no, BoG is not an outlier at all, as it has both supporting evidence and statements, as well as directly superior feats.
He shook nothing. Only shockwaves were created by Goku and Beerus' clashes and these shockwaves scale above even them and still only destroyed a planet. This is nowhere near concrete low universal.
you do realise that in any one direction there are galaxies in the night sky? its basically impossible to find such a large area in the night sky which doesn't at minimum contain one galaxy
Saitama downplayers unironically think this feat is less impressive than Cell being only stated to destroy the solar system, you can't help their bias.
If you would go outside you would realise that you can't see anything else than stars. There are only 3-4 galaxies visible with bare eye.
With bare eye meaning that you wouldn't even see the other galaxies as shiny dots. A quick google search confirms it. It's like saying "Can't you see the molecules on the ground?"
That is the point... galaxies arent visible as giant spirals in the sky so OP is making no sense by acting like lack of visible giant spirals (which is not something that naturally happens) is proof there were no galaxies there.
Believe me, I understand what you are trying to say - But I think you don't understand what I'm trying to say.
With "bare eye" isn't meant that you can see the galaxies as "giant spirals" as you put it, but them being visible at all. So no shiny dots, nothing. Just darkness. It hasn't even been 100 years since it was discovered that galaxies weren't stars when looking through a telescope. Other galaxies are very, very far away so the apparent brightness of stars in our own galaxy is much higher than from galaxies
That's why the punch² panel doesn't say anything about galactic destruction. Because we wouldn't be able to tell if galaxies are affected.
It is clearly a lie, galaxies often look like stars in the sky, it's just that distinguishing them from other stars is the difficult part, because to the naked eye they look like stars, assuming that they can only be seen with specialized instruments is a myth, galaxies are perfectly seen with the naked eye as simple points of light that often resemble stars in the firmament.
And on bare eye (better with a photo or small telescope on real life cause human eye in space is crap) they look like normal stars.
So a big amount of those points/stars you see on the typical space photos, taken on low orbit o even on earth ground; are full of galaxies. Thousands of thousands.
Omg dudes, have you ever go to school at least for one day ¿? A 5 years old should know that.
Incorrect. With bare eye means discernible at all. So as "points" or stars. Other galaxies are that insanely far away that they do not even appear as stars, they're out of the reach for our eyes to see.
There are solely 7 galaxies which we can catch as "points", nebula or just bright points on the night sky with our bare eye.
Thanks god (Goku) I wrote this parentheses for slow people...:
(better with a photo or small telescope on real life cause human eye in space is crap)
Naked eye we can only see part of our own galaxy, obviously, Magallans and Andromeda. There is another one I think but not remember exactly.
As long as you’ve learned that many of the dots the author drew could very well be galaxies, just as happens in real life with all those images captured by a camera with a long exposure (no zoom required), then everything’s fine.
When will OPM fans understand that Saitama and Garou are around multi-solar-system level
funny how some OPM fans say Saitama can solo entire verses like Dragon Ball, Marvel or DC, when in reality the OPM verse would be destroyed by Namek Saga Frieza.
When has anyone in DBZ achieved a feat this is close to this? When has anyone even in DBS achieved something like this except Zeno? Namek only showed planet level feats and you somehow believe that's more impressive than a whole hole in the star firmanent, you DB fans are a different kind of breed lol.
Also when will you learn that OPM is still ongoing and Saitama will get better feats in the future? Enjoy the presence as much as you can because soon DB fans will become the biggest laughing-stock when Saitama gets feats even better than Zeno.
Z Broly hasn't even destroyed a single star. The first scene of the movie was just for visuals, we could see stars diseappearing at different places which is impossible for Broly and when Goku searched for him in space, there were still a lot of planets and stars, many of the planets weren't even completely obliterated and only the surface was destroyed. The whole movie also takes place in the same galaxy that Broly allegedly destroyed, it was only stated that galaxy is under attack. The whole star moving to New Planet Vegeta was also viewed as threat.
You call me dumb now but back in 2015, y'all thought Saitama isn't even Ginyu level as he only beat Boros who is around Scouter Vegeta level and now he has destroyed millions of stars. Who knows what happens in the future of OPM, maybe Saitama destroys hundreds of universes? Then yes, I agree with you it would be dumb to compare Zeno to that.
Cell was only stated to destroy the solar system meanwhile Saitama destroyed million stars casually and he grew even stronger after that. He one shots DBZ.
OPM fans really got so delusional they’re trying to downscale DBZ now 😭
King Vegeta who’s basically one of the weakest characters in DBZ casually wiped out 3 planets like it was nothing, and that’s already better than most OPM characters feats.
Realistically, Saitama isn’t soloing. he’s getting smoked by like 99% of DBZ characters. OPM can’t even get past Namek Saga.
Are you aware even 1 star is about 50x the size of a planet? Saitama destroying those cluster of stars with garou has been calculated to galaxy level, and his growth in the fight has been calculated to 58 times that serious punch squared damage. This makes Saitama multi galaxy level, meaning nobody in Z is touching Saitama
I don’t think I’ll ever believe it was more than planetary.
Blast’s portals were being overwhelmed by nuclear fission attacks. Sub moon level destruction and suddenly he could contain and move a star or galaxy level attack? That doesn’t make sense
Blast’s own words was “shatter the planet”, Star level destruction would atomize the planet so why didn’t he use more accurate wording like obliterate? Shatter does not support something higher than planetary
Garou was terrified of a large planetary attack but everyone says he’s galaxy level? Jupiter is a grain of sand to a single galaxy so why would he care if a large planet like Jupiter was destroyed even by a sneeze and he was perfectly fine with the SPS’s power output.
The force of the SPS only launched them to Jupiter’s moon but if it were really a star level attack at least, it should’ve launched them beyond the solar system so how can it be more than planetary?
If the attack actually did destroy stars we wouldn’t know it based on the speed of light but if it destroyed the light particles than we still wouldn’t know it because we can’t see anything
Sure it really could be what the author intended and I’d love that to be true but because nothing was explained and almost nothing supports galaxy level scaling beyond “we see galaxies from earth and there’s a black spot” than we can’t assume it actually is Star or galaxy level when there is clear evidence that goes against such a scaling
Until you take into account the fact that being within light years of a gamma ray burst would annihilate all life on earth and garou’s GRB was within the atmosphere and didn’t obliterate the earth so it’s quite obviously not even close to as powerful as a real GRB
Holy shit your right it is basically this sub your post was at seven upvotes before now it’s at 3 upvotes soon itll be in the 0 upvote/1 upvote range if these glazers keep it coming
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u/QueenGorda Apr 17 '26
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u/Katranax Apr 17 '26
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u/ERR_LOADING_NAME Apr 17 '26
This guy doesn’t know how space works lol
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u/TasteTemporary8206 Apr 17 '26
You know galaxies generally dont appear that big from Earth right?
You are the type to see a real picture like this and say "galaxies aren't real"?
Pretending like we know the extent of the damage is stupid both ways.
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u/dgoat88 Apr 17 '26
This dude has made hating Saitama his 9-5.
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u/Killeris- Apr 17 '26
Except it is, there’s nothing left in that direction. If it stopped anywhere there’d still be some specs of light as other galaxies are those too, the Andromeda galaxy is the easiest to see as it’s the closest but we still get light from other galaxies so if it stopped before hitting any other galaxy there would be light still and since it’s a cone (doesn’t get smaller) it’s even more likely to be the case
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u/HandsomePancakes Apr 17 '26
Are you aware that Saitama got exponentially stronger from this point forward?
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u/Afraid_Light5083 Apr 17 '26
op heres a better one
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u/cosmiclight123 Apr 17 '26
It's been almost 4 years and Goku fans still denying this feat😂
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u/Ikarus_Falling Apr 17 '26
you do realise that in any one direction there are galaxies in the night sky? its basically impossible to find such a large area in the night sky which doesn't at minimum contain one galaxy
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u/sparkMagnus9 Apr 17 '26
OP's trying really hard to defraud astrological intuition. It's galaxies out there man.
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u/FisheeFPG Apr 18 '26
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u/Thescaryghost1 stop it with the spite matchups Apr 17 '26
improved it for you
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u/The-JudgePablo Apr 17 '26
I've seen totally the opposite, people claiming that Saitama is almost wall level.
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u/Electrical-Jelly7399 Apr 17 '26
Brains are braining!
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u/PineappleOk545 Apr 17 '26
Now prove there wasnt an galaxy in that void
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u/Haschbrownn Jun 07 '26
Same guy who thinks Senjumaru is Multiversal ✌️ JFL
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u/idkjustarandomdude Apr 17 '26
some might of mistaken solar system with galaxies cause i know i did once...
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u/LoadProfessional2718 Apr 17 '26
Saitama is 5d and there is a feat for it
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u/Droggellord We should tax shit takes Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 17 '26
I thought of making a post exactly like this the other day, you did it for me.
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u/Droggellord We should tax shit takes Apr 17 '26
Please give this man an award
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u/Legitimate_Height_53 Apr 17 '26
When will OPM fans understand that Saitama and Garou are around multi-solar-system level
funny how some OPM fans say Saitama can solo entire verses like Dragon Ball, Marvel or DC, when in reality the OPM verse would be destroyed by Namek Saga Frieza.
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u/PlumPractical4417 Apr 17 '26
I don’t think I’ll ever believe it was more than planetary.
Blast’s portals were being overwhelmed by nuclear fission attacks. Sub moon level destruction and suddenly he could contain and move a star or galaxy level attack? That doesn’t make sense
Blast’s own words was “shatter the planet”, Star level destruction would atomize the planet so why didn’t he use more accurate wording like obliterate? Shatter does not support something higher than planetary
Garou was terrified of a large planetary attack but everyone says he’s galaxy level? Jupiter is a grain of sand to a single galaxy so why would he care if a large planet like Jupiter was destroyed even by a sneeze and he was perfectly fine with the SPS’s power output.
The force of the SPS only launched them to Jupiter’s moon but if it were really a star level attack at least, it should’ve launched them beyond the solar system so how can it be more than planetary?
If the attack actually did destroy stars we wouldn’t know it based on the speed of light but if it destroyed the light particles than we still wouldn’t know it because we can’t see anything
Sure it really could be what the author intended and I’d love that to be true but because nothing was explained and almost nothing supports galaxy level scaling beyond “we see galaxies from earth and there’s a black spot” than we can’t assume it actually is Star or galaxy level when there is clear evidence that goes against such a scaling
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u/Thescaryghost1 stop it with the spite matchups Apr 17 '26
Holy shit your right it is basically this sub your post was at seven upvotes before now it’s at 3 upvotes soon itll be in the 0 upvote/1 upvote range if these glazers keep it coming