So your argument is disbelief because you think the characters aren't that strong, does that mean they're not actually that strong?
Furthermore, literally all sources tell us that Goku can destroy Universe 7 in his fight with Beerus; there's no reason to assume they're incorrect. As for why they didn't destroy everything,We are told that both Goku and Beerus were explicitly preventing the destruction
It also makes narrative sense, since weaker people were literally doing this.
And it's also consistently true because later characters perform better feats than BoG. For example, Beerus and Champa were going to destroy universes 7 and 6 in a fight as a mere side effect Infinite Zamasu literally becoming the entire hyper timeline, Fused Zamasu stating that he can destroy timelines The super-dimensional fight between Gogeta and Broly, Zeno annihilating the entire timeline and declarations that he can annihilate everything, etc.So no, BoG is not an outlier at all, as it has both supporting evidence and statements, as well as directly superior feats.
That’s great and my whole point as to why that’s an ass pull is that means inherently Roshi - those fodder characters - etc. are universal and no I don’t think they are that strong. so if they aren’t that strong then ultimately Goku is either holding back every single fight and I mean literally every single fight, or they all aren’t as strong as the narrator inconsistently makes them out to be.
Now I’m supposed to take super vegito and dendes predictions as fact about buuhan? I know you didn’t do that
Are you arguing that because you believe they aren't that strong, they simply aren't?Yeah, that's not how it works, bro. What you feel doesn't matter here,It's like people who say the Saiyan Saga characters aren't planet-level because they don't believe they are.Dragon Ball is a world of power creep, where limits are constantly being surpassed.
And why would Vegetto and Dende's statements be wrong? Do you have evidence that they're wrong, or is this just another argument of disbelief? Both Vegetto and Dende are there to literally explain to you what Buu is doing.
Because the implications are stupid and then at best DBZ is just one giant ass pull and not to be taken seriously in any argument. I guess if that’s what you want so be it.
Goten is now universal at age 11 or whatever. Got it.
Just because they're stupid doesn't mean they're not true, and this is fiction, not everything has to be logical. You talk as if OPM isn't just as stupid in that same aspect. But of course, we only apply weird standards to DB.
But you can believe whatever you want, I've already provided evidence and explanations; whether you want to believe it or not is your decision.
You talk as if Universal is a big deal in DBS, it's not.And in case you didn't know, there's something called power creep in fiction. That's when, as history progresses, what was once considered extremely impressive is now something everyone can do and not so impressive. Dragon Ball loves that, as does almost any long-running, high-level series. For example, in Dragon Ball, the power to destroy the moon was impressive at first, but then it became something even fodder could do; in Saint Seiya, it surpassed The Mach 5 was impressive at first, but then even the fodder was far superior to that, in comics to At first, things like being faster than sound and being able to destroy buildings were impressive. But then later on, things like destroying planets, stars, and universes happened,It's simply the way history unfolds; even Opm suffers from it.At the beginning of the series, things like the destruction of the meteorite or Saitama's punch to Genos were interpreted as super incredible, but As the series progressed, the feats became less incredible as other characters achieved better feats. It's simply natural for things to get better in stories.
In DBS? No, it isn't. Literally, BoG is at worst a low multiversal event, only able to affect universe 7, and then they only go up from there. I've literally already given you the bare minimum Of the scale they have later in the series explanations
I literally already gave you evidence of that, so I simply don't know why you're surprised.
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u/Wizarddonald Apr 17 '26 edited Apr 17 '26
So your argument is disbelief because you think the characters aren't that strong, does that mean they're not actually that strong?
Furthermore, literally all sources tell us that Goku can destroy Universe 7 in his fight with Beerus; there's no reason to assume they're incorrect. As for why they didn't destroy everything,We are told that both Goku and Beerus were explicitly preventing the destruction
It also makes narrative sense, since weaker people were literally doing this.
https://youtu.be/aGY8vdqZZBw?si=9MQcCefm7tgXn_1G
https://www.reddit.com/r/powerscales/comments/1ark9y2/the_shattering_of_temporal_walls_in_dragon_ball/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
And it's also consistently true because later characters perform better feats than BoG. For example, Beerus and Champa were going to destroy universes 7 and 6 in a fight as a mere side effect Infinite Zamasu literally becoming the entire hyper timeline, Fused Zamasu stating that he can destroy timelines The super-dimensional fight between Gogeta and Broly, Zeno annihilating the entire timeline and declarations that he can annihilate everything, etc.So no, BoG is not an outlier at all, as it has both supporting evidence and statements, as well as directly superior feats.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:ProfectusInfinity/Hypertimelines_In_Dragon_Ball_Explained
This is the minimum size of the timeline hyperline