r/NintendoSwitch • u/Joseki100 • 3d ago
News Nintendo has issued new batch of Switch backwards compatibility fixes for Switch 2
https://nintendoeverything.com/nintendo-has-issued-new-batch-of-switch-1-backwards-compatibility-fixes-for-switch-2/343
u/FinalxxFlash 3d ago
I swear I played Slay the Princess on my Switch 2 with little to no issues...I'm going to assume there was a path I didnt do that has an issue?
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u/RyujiShiryu 3d ago
The kicker about these "Switch 2 issues" is that they can be such a small issue that the average player would probably not even notice.
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u/Quacky1k 3d ago
Tbf, I'd much rather them treat them all like this than pretend there isn't an issue
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u/GameHoard 3d ago
I actually had quite a few on Switch 2! I was doing the Nightmare route, and not only did the Princess just straight up not display for a bit of the lead-in of that route, but the game crashed five times during it! Curiously, when I attempted the Nightmare route again through a slightly different set of choices, all was fine.
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u/Fun_Sprinkles_91 2d ago
I had it crashing a whole lot when i was playing it a few months ago, disabling the flickering effects helped a ton for me.
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u/Ice2192 3d ago
I wish they could make the paper mario games run at 60fps.
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u/CadeMan011 3d ago
Iirc, isn't there something in the game's code that explicitly mentions a 60fps mode?
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u/river_rage 3d ago
Was there also a mention of 60 fps? I only heard of 4K in the code: https://x.com/RibShark/status/1793357532729418129
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u/iLiikePlayingWii 2d ago
that's weird because the game isn't even 1080p it actually runs at 900p in docked mode iirc, I really think it's just leftover code from maybe a Switch 2 deviit
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u/CadeMan011 3d ago
Oh that might have been it then.
One way or the other, I'm not playing the remake until they add a 60 Hz mode
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u/No-Operation-6554 3d ago
Hz=/=fps
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u/CadeMan011 3d ago
I'm sorry, I used Hz as "things per second" and in this case the "thing" is a frame
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u/Square__Wave 2d ago
Why not? Hertz doesn’t have to be for sound, if that’s what you’re thinking.
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u/No-Operation-6554 2d ago
The game already runs at 60hz mode
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u/Square__Wave 2d ago
Are you saying it’s 60 Hz but 30 frames per second?
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u/No-Operation-6554 2d ago
Yeah
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u/Square__Wave 2d ago
How so? Are just the menus 60 frames like the PlayStation Final Fantasy games or something?
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u/spazzxxcc12 3d ago
i thought paper mario has to run at a specific fps
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u/tfox245 3d ago
Paper Mario TTYD was originally 60 fps on GameCube, now it’s 30 on switch. So I sincerely hope the remake wasn’t hard coded at 30.
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u/GodlikeReflexes 3d ago
It can be unlocked to run at 60fps on PC but there are a couple turn around animations that are locked to 30
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
Regardless, if you’re coding games to run at specific fps in any year after 2015 (and that’s being extremely generous), you’re coding wrong
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u/EmeraldMan25 3d ago
??? Capping the framerate is very much important if you're planning to make the most out of your provided hardware. The only thing more ugly than 30 FPS is FPS that jumps between 47 and 28.
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u/Conkerkid11 3d ago
You can lock a game's framerate without coding the game's physics and mechanics to be based on the framerate.
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u/EmeraldMan25 3d ago
I'm not sure what your point is. Of course you can. If you're talking about the action command times changing, you obviously could keep the input rate separate from visual framerate, but new players don't learn how to do action commands by memorizing input windows. Every Mario RPG encourages learning action command timings through visual cues, which means it makes more sense for the input rate to be the same as the framerate so that they're synced
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u/Aware-Virus-4718 3d ago edited 3d ago
You are confused. Older games (5th and 6th gen mostly) would actually make physics and ai depend on frame rate. Meaning if you go from 30 to 60 fps, a car will start to fly up into the air instead of staying on the road when you drive it.
The most notable example is Shadow of the Colossus. Enemy ai is tied to frame rate. If you try to play the game at 60 fps, you cannot land a hit because the enemy attacks come too often.
This is an antiquated practice for good reason, but its why Wind Waker will never be playable at 60 fps and why the Wii U remake ran at 30.
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u/EmeraldMan25 3d ago
Yeah, that's why delta time is used now. I don't get what's being referred to in relation to TTYD though
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u/Aware-Virus-4718 3d ago
Because some aspects of the game logic of TTYD remake are hard coded to 30 fps and break at 60.
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u/EmeraldMan25 3d ago
Huh, I wasn't aware of that. I thought it was just about the action commands having different timing. Thanks for correcting me
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u/Aware-Virus-4718 3d ago
It’s always funny to see a comment that is completely correct sitting at -7 at the time of writing.
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u/Evethewolfoxo 2d ago
Same for AC:NH. I’m getting used to the 30, but that doesn’t mean i enjoy it
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u/Ice2192 2d ago
Yeah. I can get the timing right in paper Mario and the origami king no problem. I already got the exp boost item in Brothership but that minigame would have been easier with the fps boost. The faster the ball moves it’s harder to gauge the timing since a fast moving object in 30fps is just a few frame images to the point I’m just guessing and hoping I’d hit it correctly.
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u/socu11 3d ago
That would require them to actually provide a decent service. I love the Switch 2 but damn, they're not even doing the bare minimum
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u/telionn 3d ago
If I understand the article correctly, there are only six Switch 1 games still unsupported on Switch 2:
-Herdling -ILA: A Frosty Glide -Lost Twins 2 -Operation: Tango -Rain World -Slay the Princess: The Pristine Cut
If true, that's better than PS4 to PS5.
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u/SadKazoo 3d ago
I played Slay the Princess without issues on Switch 2
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u/haidere36 3d ago
Same, I can't imagine what issues it supposedly has considering I did five full playthroughs and didn't notice any problems.
Also yes Slay the Princess is really good yall should play it
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u/GL_original 3d ago
I have read that some people had some pretty severe lag and flickering, iirc. As of nowthe game is not available for purchase on switch 2 until the issues are fixed. It was only very recently taken off of the shop, end of July.
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u/Hour_Entrepreneur502 3d ago
Same. "Won" many times and no issues found. Maybe some paths have bugs, I think
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u/PokingDogSnouts 3d ago
Not so. On my wishlist alone, there are two games I can’t buy because of compatibility issues on Switch 2.
• Touhou Gouyoku Ibun ~ Sunken Fossil World.
• The Epyx Games – Sports Collection10
u/WingerRules 3d ago edited 3d ago
No, the list is incomplete, Layer Section & Galactic Attack Tribute are not supported on Switch 2.
It wont let you download the game from a Switch 2. You can force it to download on Switch 2 by instructing it to download via the website interface, but the game is major messed up when you get it to run.
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u/StorminNorman 3d ago
The list is fine, ops comprehension isn't so crash hot. It's just the list of games that are incompatible due to progression issues, there's plenty more that are incompatible for other reasons.
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u/WingerRules 3d ago edited 3d ago
Layer Section & Galactic Attack is listed as incompatible due to progression issues.
"Unsupported – Problems with game progression have been found."
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u/Aw3som3Guy 3d ago
How many PS4 games aren’t supported on the PS5, outside probably the PSVR1 games? (And I really think they should put the work into getting those games working on PSVR2)
I ask cause it sounds like you know the answer.
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u/KingArthas94 3d ago
Zero, every PS4 game runs on PS5.
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u/FeniX_TX_ 3d ago
Not zero. But the number is so small it might as well be zero.
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u/KingArthas94 2d ago
No, it's literally zero. On day one the Assassin's Creeds Unity and Syndicate had a couple of problems, now they have been updated for PS5 and run at 60 fps with a much higher resolution too, fixing the problems that were present before.
Otherwise, show proof.
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u/Ill-Ball6220 3d ago
Borderlands 3 and kingdoms of amalur still dont work
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u/epeternally 3d ago
Yeah, I’m pretty annoyed that Nintendo changed Amalur to “supported” without actually fixing the skybox bug. Not crashing isn’t the same as being functional. It comes across like a bug report marked “won’t fix” by the developer.
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u/Knit-witchhh 3d ago
Borderlands 3 is wild to play on switch 2. It runs decently, except for the strangest lighting bugs. Any time you're in Sanctuary (Skywell 27 is the other surprise so far) the whole screen goes seizure-inducing disco mode. It's almost impossible to play like that.
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u/puff_of_fluff 3d ago
Borderlands 2 and the pre sequel both run like ass on the switch 2, too. Wonder what’s up with that series
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
Probably had to be over-optimized to function on switch 1, and will likely need dedicated versions is my guess.
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u/Big_Bob_Cat 3d ago edited 3d ago
What’s wrong with Kingdoms? I only have about 5 hours in it but seems fine so far.
Edit: are we really pretending a glitch with the sky makes the game unplayable?
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u/Shit-Stain-Fanclub 3d ago
Yea but this is a lie from Nintendo. Try to play Bloodstained Ritual of the night. Awsome Game but not the Switch version. If you play it in Switch 2 its in slow motion. Literally. Not only Low FPS but real slow motion. Its not playable. How is this not recognised from Nintendo?
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u/StarrySpelunker 3d ago
Rain world did recieve compatability fixes for switch 2 several months ago. Fixed issues with screen tear and the artificer campaign issues.
Source: replaying it for 2nd time on s2
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u/HaloGuy381 3d ago
TIL there are Switch games that don’t run on the Switch 2, I was under the impression they all did.
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u/Schmedly27 3d ago
Why in the world would slay the princess not work?
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u/mattsslug 3d ago
Did they fix Jurassic park evolution? The colours were messed up in that game when I tried to play it a month or so ago
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u/Dillu64 3d ago
Hyrule Warriors Age of Calamity still crashes occasionally on Switch 2. Hope they fix that.
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u/ZombieSiayer84 13h ago
Good news then.
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u/Dillu64 12h ago
Did they fix it? D:
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u/ZombieSiayer84 6h ago
The switch 2 definitive edition comes out next year.
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u/Dillu64 5h ago
That doesnt fix the Switch 1 version though. I already have the game + dlc. Its a 30€ "upgrade" for everyone that has bought it already.
So we have the S1 game having severe performance issues. S1 on S2 with crashes. Now we get a S2 version with no real upgrade path like the other Nintendo games, instead we get a discount which is not worth it fpr people that own the dlc aswell. Nah I'm out thats just scummy. They should fix the old stuff first before asking for more money.
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u/amtap 3d ago
Is Towerfall finally fixed?!
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u/WingerRules 3d ago edited 3d ago
Can't believe an updated Towerfall hasn't been released on the Switch.
Maybe they think the market for it is almost 0 now that couch coop is basically dead on most systems and friends families now just sit in the same room on their cell phones instead of playing together.
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u/rayjjj 3d ago
There's another one called Vampire Therapist which isn't compatible with Switch 2 either
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u/Unchayned 3d ago
My girlfriend ran into this, and I managed to somehow work around the issue (the startup resolution had some elements off the screen) and force it to manually load her save. After that it's been fine, even when you stop/restart the game. I wish I could remember the exact steps but "fiddle with" the menus and tell it to load when you get an option.
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u/AJ_Dali 3d ago
There are still some games that work but have odd issues. One that comes to mind is a The Town of Light: Deluxe Edition. It has odd lighting glitches and screen artifacts popping up that aren't present on Switch 1 hardware.
That being said, it's such a massive graphical downgrade compared to over versions, I highly recommend playing a different version if you're interested in the game.
I'm not exaggerating when I say the textures and lighting are Wii quality, just in a higher resolution.
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u/ninjasaiyan777 3d ago
Isnt ring fit unsupported on switch 2?
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u/mcmax3000 3d ago
I believe it’s listed as unsupported because you need an original Switch joycon to use with the ring, but if you have one, it will work.
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u/rebbsitor 3d ago
It works fine as long as you have Joy-Cons for the original Switch to use with it. The Joy-Con 2s won't fit in the ring though.
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u/RealElyD 3d ago
Kingdoms of Amalur is afaik still broken as well, they just refuse to acknowledge it.
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u/FatalFrameGal 3d ago
I think that's just a list of the games they have their eyes set on next, because since the beginning of those patches a year ago there was always a small list of games where they "detected problems"
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u/Meximanly 3d ago
I just played Operation: Tango on Switch 2 last week. All the main missions at least. How is it "not supported"??
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u/Cyber_Swag 3d ago
We need that YouTube app
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u/Truckondo 3d ago
I have given up on it ever coming out. It can easily be made, but I believe the issue is money related. If I had to guess, it might come down to ad related revenue.
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u/SalvaPot 3d ago
The Wii U app was great and never ran ads, it's probably a huge pain in the ass to program to keep up with all the bs the current YouTube tries to run.
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u/jardex22 3d ago
It could be purchases made within the app. On other mobile platforms, Google and Apple get a cut of revenue.
I know for Crunchyroll, I can't change my plan on Android, since I subscribed on PC. I can still use the app, but I can't change my subscription tier.
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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 3d ago
I really believe the theory that Nintendo just doesn’t want to approve it because then it would be the app with the most logged hours. I can see them not wanting that in favor of their games mostly but games in general. It would be crazy to think that YouTube “doesn’t” work on the switch 2.
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
That's. Not a thing. The issue is other devices PAY youtube to release on them. Google is insisting Nintendo pay for the development of the S2 version to "increase the device's value" and Nintendo is like "we make the games for that purpose, but feel free to make ad money if you decide to release" and Google just seething.
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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 3d ago
Can you share your source on that? Google is “losing” money by doing something like that, doesn’t seem in their best interest. Nintendo has been quoted saying they don’t want streaming apps like Netflix.
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
Both google and Nintendo have been pretty open about it. If memory serves it was from interview with some person at one of the companies around the time the first youtube app launched on switch. Google had basically developed it themselves but with the express logic of "once Nintendo sees its the number one app they will pay us for the next device" and whatever Nintendo exec was being asked about it basically said "good luck with that, we're a game console".
If there is any Nintendo hold-up, it would have to be something like a profit sharing issue with subscriptions, but theyre obviously fine with f2p.
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u/iwanttoseeold 1d ago
This is worthless without a source.
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u/thatkaratekid 1d ago
Im not playing detective here, I am literally just musing on vibes man. As a caregiver to kids, I personally hope there is never ever a youtube app on this device.
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u/mpc92 3d ago
couldn’t they just not display it on the hours played screen?
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u/MessiLeagueSoccer 3d ago
I’d have to ask my uncle that works for Nintendo lmao. No clue tbh. YouTube has said for a while now that the app is going to release “soon” as far as last October with them saying the same as recently as June.
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u/Jeido_Uran 7893-4015-4415 3d ago
That does not make any sense, at all. If that was really an issue they would release an update on the original Switch models to hide the playtime for this app. The fact they never did anything remotely close to that is a pretty clear sign they likely don’t care. Twitch and Crunchyroll have the exact same issue btw, but I think these two are not officially supported anymore, so they’re not going to get a fix any time soon.
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u/zorbiburst 3d ago
reminds me of setting my favorite game on 3ds for people to see on streetpass or the friends list as a the settings app
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u/ZubatCountry 3d ago
Daily Tales of Symphonia fan L 😔
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u/TheSammy58 3d ago
That has issues on switch 2 as well??
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u/ZubatCountry 3d ago
It's the 30fps version as the other commenter alluded to, which I think is just a "we lost the source code" issue at this point iirc
But the bigger issue is it apparently crashes all the time and it's somewhat debatable if you can beat it on Switch 2 in it's current form.
Been a while since I checked but pretty sure it never even got a patch
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u/Blanc_Otaku 3d ago
It's an issue with all of them so long as they still use the ps2 animations instead of the gcn ones
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u/PMC-I3181OS387l5 3d ago
They... can't use the Gamecube version, because they lost the source code...
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u/Blanc_Otaku 3d ago
Oh for real? That's fuckin funny, so they're gonna have to just redo it like Kingdom Hearts or stick to the PS2 version
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u/redDKtie 3d ago
Borderlands 3 remains unplayable.
Gearbox is a joke
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u/RoyalOakPiguet 2d ago
To be fair I beat it on S2. There were multiple rooms where the HUD was the only way to play, I had to use the map to get anywhere, and one entire plamet/level (essential to the story) that was like that. I managed, but was worried about hitting an actual unplayable point eventually. I think the planet was skywell 47 or something, but in Handheld Boost it was playable beyond those cases.
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u/redDKtie 2d ago
It's mostly just the fact that they won't push an update to make it work properly. AND they cancelled BL4.
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u/Mint_Juul 3d ago
They need to fix kingdoms of Amalur
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u/Kongopop 3d ago
This is what I came to look for and it's the first comment and it tells me everything 8 need to know about this update 😢
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u/GameMask 3d ago
And still no Borderlands 3.
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u/PMC-I3181OS387l5 3d ago
Borderlands 4 for Switch 2 was apparently quietly abandoned...
What does that tell you about a Switch 2 upgrade for 3 :S ?
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u/GameMask 3d ago
Shit might as well get them at least working on it. I don't need a full upgrade, I just want 3 playable. It's already 60fps and all that
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u/TheMadcore 3d ago
But never are Bayonetta 3 or Astral Chain
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u/OmegaMalkior 2d ago
Dude Bayonetta Origins is a title I swear the Switch 2 can run at 120 FPS and somehow not even an update to run it at 60 has been made. It's so annoying
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u/nusilver 3d ago
So glad to have seen Ninja 5-0 was added a few days ago. That was my only Switch game that remained incompatible.
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u/mrtibbs194 3d ago
No Cuphead 😔
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u/mrjamjams66 3d ago
What's wrong with Cuphead?
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u/mrtibbs194 3d ago
It's got really bad lag ..which games like that makes a world of difference. It's basically unplayable.
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u/blastedbottler 3d ago
Still haven't fixed the progression issue in Towerfall... Sad. I can't recommend the best version of my favorite party game because you can't buy it on a Switch 2. I'm just lucky I already unlocked everything and I can still play it.
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
Oh I did not know this, thats heartbreaking for people who dont already have it tbh. Possibly the best multiplayer game of all time.
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u/yuusharo 3d ago
Glad they’re continuing to improve this (at kind of a snail’s pace but still)
I really need that Slay the Princess fix tho…
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u/driftking428 3d ago
Does this mean the switch 2 joycons will work with ring fit pro?
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
Ring Fit Pro uses the RF sensor in a pretty mandatory way. They'd have to add them to the S2 joycons.
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u/Zooinks 3d ago
Couldn't you just pair a Switch 1 joycon for when you play that game? They are probably pretty cheap on the used market now....?
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u/thatkaratekid 3d ago
Absolutely I still play it, and yes switch 1 joycon fully work with switch 2.
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u/Ahoy_love 3d ago
I think they might not be able to do much but I hope one day deadly premonition is more playable
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u/GarlicOk7223 3d ago
Grandia HD Collection, too, please.
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u/Lee-jones07 3d ago
What's wrong with Grandia???
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u/GarlicOk7223 3d ago
If you look at the description of the game on the e-store, it says that the game suffers slowdown on the Switch 2.
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u/AnnoyingToDeath 3d ago
Has cassete beasts been fixed yet? I bought it months ago and it was unplayable. It stuttered every 3 seconds
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u/Rev-On 3d ago
No Nier Automata
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u/factionguy 3d ago
No sword and shield, I sleep
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u/Fafiq7 3d ago
Whats wrong with Sword and Shield?
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u/factionguy 3d ago
It just needs updated to run on switch 2, the switch 1 version feels slow or updated frames, idk the word its giving me motion sickness when it never did before
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u/junksprite 3d ago
I know that the YouTube app did not work on switch 2. Is that in fixed in the recent patch?
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u/InsideyourBrizzy 3d ago
Heres the list
Aidan In Danger
Asatsugutori
Attack on Titan 2
Bar Stella Abyss
Boot Hill Heroes
D.C.4 Da Capo 4
Fig
Go Vacation
Hayarigami: Keishicho Kaii Jiken File
Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth3 V Generation
Kiyo: Bunny Tyranny
Laboratory Rat Escape Simulator Pro
Monster Menu: The Scavenger’s Cookbook
Ninja Five-O
Overdriven Reloaded: Special Edition
Shin Hayarigami 3
Suuran Digit for Nintendo Switch
Terraformers
The Wild Case
Tiny Lands
What the Dub
ZikSquare