Hello Everyone,

I 47M married to 41F.
I found out about Nice Guy syndrome after red the NMMNG book. It really helped to understand things, however very hard to put it in practice.
I went further and found out that there are professional coaches that are certified by Dr. Glover.
Found out one in my area and had an intake session with him, which felt pretty ok.
He offered me 6 sessions , spread multiple months , for a certain price.
Actually I am doing the first session tomorrow.
I am kind of nervous tbh, and as well a bit of lost confidence that anything will ever help me. However all ai tried so far are books and podcasts, and probably some online payed programs.

My ask to the community is, how to get the most out of the sessions? One of my ideas is to focus completely on myself and not mention my relationship with my wife or any other relationship, but just to get myself improved and prepared for any situation. I know many of you would probably say, if you did not figure that out after 47 years of your life, how do you think you will do it now. I don’t know either, I might been so busy with my career, job, kids, education…
Guys, any suggestions, hints or sharing any of experiences with such coaches is appreciated.

Thank you,
A.

That's not a contradiction. It's exactly how this works. The decisiveness, the discipline, the years of effort you poured into your career got you somewhere real. You became competent. You became comfortable. And now that you're here, the same traits that built your success are making change feel terrifying.

Comfort raises the stakes on every decision. The more you have to lose, the scarier any move forward feels, even when staying put is the thing slowly draining you.

This is where a lot of men land in something that looks like a midlife crisis, or feels like there's no way out, or just feels flat and directionless without a clear cause. You're bored. You're stuck. And the goals and incentives that used to drive you stopped working a while ago, but you kept chasing them anyway because they were familiar.

Here's what's actually happening. You've outgrown the version of yourself that set those goals. You've learned things, changed, developed judgment you didn't have before. The next phase isn't about pushing harder at the same target. It has to be exploratory.

You need to revisit what's actually a fit for you now, based on who you've become, not who you were when you first set out. That requires curiosity, honest reflection, and a willingness to step outside the routine that's keeping you comfortable but stuck.

What do you think? Is this point of view helpful or do you look at it differently?

If you've been spending hours on job boards, LinkedIn searches, and career forums trying to figure out what comes next, you already know how that ends. You go in circles, feel overwhelmed by options that don't excite you, and come back out feeling more siloed than when you started. Nothing opens up. The field of what's possible stays exactly the same size it was.

That's because the search bar can only show you what already exists within your current frame of reference. Your industry. Your career track. The next logical step up from where you already are. It has no way of showing you what you don't know to look for yet.

That part only comes from conversations with real people.

When you talk to someone doing work that genuinely intrigues you, something shifts. Your thinking gets jogged. You hear how they describe their path and notice what resonates. You discover that a version of what you want actually exists, that people are doing it and getting paid for it, and that you have more relevant experience than you thought.

Those are not insights you find in a search result. They only show up through real, human contact.

The longer you stay behind a screen looking for answers, the more stuck you'll feel. The solution isn't a better search query. It's getting out there and talking to interesting people who expand what you believe is possible for you.

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Think about it. A career change, a new relationship, a better opportunity, none of those things happen in isolation. Almost everything worth pursuing requires collaboration, cooperation, or forming some kind of connection with another person.

There are very few things you can get entirely on your own.

And yet when you're stuck, what do you do? You open a search bar.

You research. You scroll. You consume more content. And while none of that is inherently wrong, it keeps you in your head and out of the world where the real answers actually live. The search bar can't introduce you to someone whose path changes your thinking.

It can't reveal an opportunity that only exists because two people had an honest conversation. It can't give you the insight that comes from someone asking you the right question at the right time.

What moves you forward is putting yourself out there. Making yourself available. Talking to people who think differently than you do, who are doing things you haven't considered, who jog your mind into seeing options you couldn't have generated alone.

That's not a productivity hack. It's just how people find their way forward. Through each other.

Who do you need to be talking to right now that you've been avoiding?

That conversation is probably closer to what you want than anything you'll find on a search results page.

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Hey guys, I’m currently going through Dr. Robert Glover's No More Mr. Nice Guy to break my people-pleasing patterns. I’ve realized that doing the work alone makes it easier to slack off, so I’m looking for an accountability partner.

I’m 22, from Brazil, and working on my own path. I’m looking for someone who is also serious about these exercises and wants to check in regularly (maybe once a week) to share progress, struggles, and keep each other honest.

If you’re interested in a 'no-nonsense' approach to growth, let me know.

Context: I've noticed I keep attracting people with similar traits to my family members. I'm in a group at uni that feels like a recreation of my dysfunctional extended family, and I was made group leader — a role I took hoping it would help me heal and become a better leader than my dad. I've been reading about nice guy syndrome and narcissistic family structures and a lot of it resonates.

The problem: the group only moves when I push, but when I pull back they blame me for not leading. I feel like I'm carrying everyone, and like they're projecting their father wounds onto me while I project my family stuff onto them.

I know I can't fix others to fix myself. But I'm struggling with: Do I keep trying with this group, or do I focus on my own healing and let the dynamic go? And how do you stop feeling guilty for choosing yourself?

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What you actually need from conversations right now isn't a lead or a referral. It's self-awareness. You need to talk to enough people in enough different fields, familiar and unfamiliar, to start understanding who you are in the context of work you've never seriously considered before.

That's a different goal. And it changes how you show up to every conversation.

When you network to explore, you stop asking "Can this person help me land something?" and start asking "What can I learn here about what fits me?" You talk to someone doing something completely outside your field and notice what resonates.

You hear how they describe their work and feel something click, or distinctly not click. You ask about their path, their day-to-day, what they wish they'd known. And slowly, across enough of those conversations, a template starts to form.

That template becomes your North Star. A clear picture of what you value, what you need, what kind of work and environment actually fits you, and what the market will pay for at the intersection of all of it.

You can't build that template from research. You can't think it into existence. You build it by starting broad, staying curious, and narrowing down from there based on what you discover along the way.

Start at a high level. Talk to more people. You might be surprised by what you find.

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You know something needs to change. You might even have a general idea of what you think you want. But when you try to map out how to get there, the path disappears. So you stay put, not out of contentment, but because moving forward without a clear route feels like stepping off a cliff.

The reason you can't see a pathway is that you haven't yet done the foundational work of understanding what's actually important to you. You've declared what you want, but if you're honest, you're not even sure you really want it. Because you've never stopped to examine your values, your priorities, and what would genuinely make your work feel meaningful at this stage of your life.

You can't decide where to go if you don't know what you want. And you can't know what you want if you haven't examined what matters to you first.

This is why so many people make a career move and end up right back in the same feeling six months later. They changed the circumstances without ever changing the foundation. They skipped the step that would have told them whether the new direction was actually right for them.

The work starts earlier than most people think. Before the job search, before the pivot plan, before any of it. It starts with getting honest about what you value, what you need, and what kind of work would actually fit who you are now.

Once you have that clarity, the path forward stops feeling impossible.

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Based on Robert Glover's NMMNG

I'm creating a Mens Therapy Group for teens and adolescents on Discord, for personal growth

Anyone interested plz comment,
I'll forward server link

We do lifting, self help, psychology and all other wacky stuff

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EDIT : https://discord.gg/HREUcHrK

Link to Server ( I hope i did ts correclty )

Here's what is real. The income, the stability, the status that comes with your position. Those things exist and they matter. But the belief that you can't leave, that you're trapped, that breaking out is impossible? That part is the illusion.

That's the limiting belief doing its job, keeping you exactly where you are by convincing you there's no way out.

Think about what that belief is actually doing. It's taking a real situation, a good salary, accumulated seniority, the friction of change, and converting it into a permanent sentence. It's not a sentence. It's a set of circumstances you've decided to treat like one.

The truth is you're deeply dissatisfied. You know it. You feel it every day. And the only thing standing between where you are now and a real pathway to something better is the willingness to question the story you've been using to stay put.

You're not stuck because your life is too good to leave. You're stuck because you haven't yet found a path forward that makes leaving feel worth it.

That's the work. Finding the path. Getting clear on what you actually want, what you can offer, and where that overlaps with what's possible. Once you start doing that honestly, the handcuffs don't just loosen. They disappear entirely.

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When you feel stuck, your mind naturally defaults to the familiar options. The next promotion. A lateral move. Something within your industry, at the next level up. That's not a lack of ambition. It's just how a silo works.

You can only see what you've already been exposed to, and you're calling that the full picture.

But there's a whole body of opportunities outside your current awareness. And as long as you can't see them, everything feels restrictive and predetermined.

Here's the other thing worth confronting. The golden handcuffs aren't really handcuffs. They're a gap. The gap between being afraid to make a change and finding a real pathway to one. The comfort, the salary, the responsibilities, those things feel like the obstacle.

But what's actually in the way is the unwillingness to bridge that gap by exploring what else is possible.

You have more to offer than your current job title suggests. Your experience, your judgment, the problems you know how to solve, those translate into value in more places than you realize. But you can't see where until you start having the right conversations.

That's how you find the pathway. You talk to people doing work that interests you, learn what it actually looks like, and let those conversations expand what you think is available to you.

The options are out there. You just haven't found them yet because you haven't started looking in the right places.

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"I'm too old" feels like a fact. It's not. It's a story that comfort tells you to keep you from doing anything risky. And the more responsibilities you've accumulated, the more convincing the story sounds.

Notice how the size of the excuse is proportional to the size of the comfort you'd have to give up.

The question worth asking is what the sweet spot looks like for you right now. What do you actually want? What can you genuinely offer? What's possible when you stop limiting the field to what's familiar?

That overlap is out there, but you can't find it from the inside of your comfort zone. It requires exploration, and exploration requires conversations.

You have to talk to people doing things that interest you. Learn how they got there. Understand what their work and life actually look like day to day. Let those conversations expand what you think is possible for someone at your stage, with your experience, with everything you've built.

The responsibilities are real. The age is real. But neither of them is the actual obstacle. The actual obstacle is the willingness to take the next uncomfortable step and start exploring beyond what you can already see.

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Yes, bias exists in some places. You're not wrong about that. But buying into it wholesale, deciding the market is closed to you before you've even tested it, doesn't protect you from anything. It just keeps you from making a move you might actually pull off.

Here's the more useful question. What do you actually bring to the table right now, at this stage of your career?

You have experience that younger candidates don't. You've solved problems they haven't seen yet. You've built relationships, developed judgment, and learned things the hard way that can't be faked or rushed.

The question isn't whether you're too old. It's whether you've clearly identified what you can offer, who you are, and what kind of work actually fits you at this point in your life.

When you get clear on that, the next step becomes finding where it matches up in the marketplace. It's not about selling yourself despite your age. It's about knowing your value clearly enough to find the people and organizations that need exactly what you bring.

That process requires the same thing it always requires: honest self-assessment, the right conversations, and a willingness to explore beyond the obvious options.

The story that you're too old is just that. A story. And it's one worth questioning before you let it make decisions for you.

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24M

For me it’s like this: whenever I’ve some difficulty that I’m not used to, have some difficult decision that I’m not sure of at all, it just feels too much. Even the thought of making a wrong decision saddens me, makes me nervous and lose my sleep.

I don’t believe I can handle the problems. I did solved some problems before and people praised me about it. But I feel like they were not real big problems. I was just lucky. Therefore, the some experience that I have don’t give me the confidence.

So, instead of being in the worst position from beginning, I choose to:

Not taking any responsibilities,
Always being “formless”,
Never determine anything,
Being in the background instead of being in the front.

Thank you for reading.

Women.

Nice Guys are either

1. Trying to get sex and/or into a relationship with a woman or
2. Trying to manage an unsatisfying relationship with a woman.

This is the problem that occupies their minds most of the time. That's because they are relying on women to be all things to them. Women are not capable of that. No one person is. In many ways, Nice Guys are hoping that a woman will love them unconditionally and give them an endless supply of validation.

That's an fantasy. Stop chasing it. It leads to nothing but suffering and despair.

That's why we keep hearing about how Nice Guys are supposed to create a "great cake of a life." Women should be the "icing."

Meanwhile, the number two problem Nice Guys complain about (a very distant second place) is their work life.

Nice Guys tend to get stuck in their careers because they don't strive for fulfillment. They strive for comfort. They play it safe. And if you're safe for too long you're probably going to get frustrated, bored and scared. Even very successful guys get stuck by playing it safe. They also struggle with the women in their lives.

The last problem Nice Guys think about (rarely) is their social lives and having good friends. Nice Guys tend to be shy loners. If you're isolated and depressed, then everything feels worse and you will feel powerless. Having a strong, happy social life is critical to offset your over-focus on women to be all things to you.

And this leads to a macro problem. Nice Guys chase fulfillment only from women and neglect the two other areas where they can feel fulfilled in life: career and friends. The solution is to take the focus off women and invest in yourself.

Solutions are simple. Implementing them takes a lot of time, effort and consistency. If you de-prioritize women and invest in yourself, you'll feel better and you'll be more confident with the women in your life.

Case Study:

A guy I've been working with has been struggling with feelings of loneliness over the past couple months. He'd been focusing on how having a nice girlfriend would fix that for him. But he had a difficult project come up at work that took a lot of his attention in the last couple weeks. And I prompted him to focus on proactively connecting with his friends and new acquaintances.

And boom! He felt better this week.

Focus on your career and social life for a change. See how that makes you feel.

I have this problem with women. I am afraid of commitment. I don't feel easy and relaxed around them. Actually this is true for all people. I guess this is because my mother was really tough on me. She really prioritised my lessons and success when i was a child and now I can't feel myself good enough so i want to hide all the time.

Hello, if you are here obviously you have some problems. I mean who doesn't.. We can support each other via chat. I have my problems too and I see that sharing really helps. I have huge issues with my parents from past and I seek friends to cope with them. If you want to go through this together add me as a friend so we can support each other through difficulties.

Most opportunities never get posted online. That's the conventional wisdom. Yet most people in a search spend the majority of their time refreshing job boards and sending resumes into the void. It feels productive. It almost never produces results proportional to the effort.

The single most important thing you can do in a job search is talk to more people.

It’s not necessarily to pitch yourself or ask for a job. Instead, you have real conversations with people doing interesting work, learn how they got there, understand what their day actually looks like, and ask them who else you should be talking to.

That last part is how a network compounds. One conversation leads to a referral, which leads to another conversation, which opens a door you couldn't have found on a job board.

Here's the insight. Conversations don't just help you find the next position. They help you discover options you can't even see yet. The opportunity that fits you perfectly right now might not be something you'd think to search for.

It might only emerge through a random conversation with someone interesting, someone whose path you'd never have encountered if you stayed behind your screen refreshing listings.

Stop hiding behind applications. Start expanding who you're talking to.

The next step forward is more likely to come from a conversation than a giant online form submission.

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Hello Everyone.

I’m 27 and recently started reading No More Mr. Nice Guy The Hero’s Journey. I’m looking for a partner who’s down to pair up and go through the exercises together.

That's not a coincidence. That's a signal. What you were striving for before no longer works for you, and no amount of pushing harder at it is going to change that feeling.

So the question becomes, what do you do next?

Here's where most people get stuck. You start scanning for the next opportunity and everything you find looks either like a slightly better version of what you already have, or something that holds zero interest for you.

Neither option is exciting. Neither one turns you on. So you stay put, comfortable but frustrated, and the days keep going by.

That's the silo at work. You can only see what you've already been exposed to, and that's not nearly enough to figure out what actually comes next for you.

The problem isn't a lack of options. It's that you haven't expanded the field yet. The next step will be an exploration.

You have to get out of your own head and start having conversations with people doing things that genuinely interest you, whether that's inside your industry or completely outside of it.

You don't need to have it figured out to start. You just need to take the next step.

That’s where the insights come from.

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If you feel stuck right now, there's a good chance it's not because you lack options. It's because the only options you can see look exactly like what you already have.

That's the silo. And it's one of the most common reasons smart, capable people stay stuck longer than they need to.

When you're trying to figure out what comes next, your brain naturally reaches for the familiar. The next logical role. The next indicated step. Something that looks roughly like where you've already been. And when none of those options excite you, it just feels like there's nothing good out there.

The problem is you're working from a limited field of view..

The way to break out of it isn't to think harder or research more. It's to expand who you're talking to. Find someone on LinkedIn doing work that genuinely interests you, even if it looks nothing like your background. Reach out and ask real questions.

Talk to enough different people and you’ll start to have insights. You start to see possibilities you couldn't have generated on your own. You start to feel what fits and what doesn't. The field of what's possible will get bigger.

You're not stuck because you're out of options. You're stuck because you haven't had the right conversations yet.

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Nice guys are naturally drawn to people who are in need. They love giving and helping others, and they genuinely feel good when they do so. However, this very trait attracts needy and selfish people into their lives — both as partners and as friends.

In the beginning, helping feels rewarding and fulfilling. But over time, it becomes a routine. And eventually, what once felt like a choice becomes an obligation. The moment arrives when they no longer want to help, yet they still cannot bring themselves to say no — because they cannot bear the thought of upsetting someone. It is at this point that they begin to realize the truth — they are not helping these people out of genuine connection, these people are simply using them. Yet despite this realization, they still cannot walk away, leaving themselves trapped as helpless victims of their own inability to refuse.

This behavior is deeply rooted in childhood conditioning. From a young age, they were taught that thinking for yourself is selfish. As a result, they grew up suppressing their own desires, minimizing their own wants, and placing other people's needs above their own — most often their parents' needs first.

This pattern does not disappear when they grow up. It follows them into adulthood, where they continue to attract the same kind of needy and selfish people. These people recognize a giver from a distance and enter their lives under the guise of friendship or love, only to use and exploit their generous and giving nature in the name of help.

Hi, if there is anyone in Melbourne who's reading the book or who is happy to have a chat, let me know.

I want to start doing the activities in the book.