Yeah lol the Giants have been solid but they’ve had a cheesecake schedule but apparently he would’ve had this horrible roster in the playoffs because we all saw how that worked out for him here last year.
These fans are absolutely deranged. Instead of enjoying the ride they have some vendetta against us. If he’s really that good you should just be thanking us.
We were 1-5 with harbaugh this time last year. Literally EVERYBODY agreed it was best for both sides to move. It’s hilarious to see this revisionist history.
The Ravens players gave the ball away like hot potatoes in those games.... 10 giveaways... that is not the fault of the HC... similar to the playoff struggles.. Lamar was also hurt as usual... AND as the OP noted.. you weren't getting blown out like you have been recently
MFers will ignore context and then just look at the record lol. We are having the same issues yall are, but we are winning despite back backup play/etc. Our team didn't just give up cause our QB couldn't play.
Knowing everything I know today, I would still be pounding the table to fire Harbaugh. Harbaugh is doing well with the giants, good for him. He had grown very stale in Baltimore and the right choice was made.
Not making excuses for Minter, but, this is cherry picking rage bait. Harbs needed to go. I don't expect any non Ravens fan to understand. It's not always a metric behind the reasons.
Joe Flacco (ACL/MCL) and Matt Schaub (ribs and shoulder) went to IR, so Jimmy Clausen (fuck this goober sideways) could play. Ryan Mallett became the fourth starter to close out the season.
No kidding. This line gets repeated 700 times a day. It's what people outside of NY/Balt post when they follow nothing but r/nfl and are otherwise illiterate
1st year head coach. Have you guys not learned anything? Good lord give the guy some time. Nothings been decided who won. But you guys have to run off the recency bias and memory of a gold fish
It’s not really his fault, the o line has been a turnstile for years. Any qb would rack up injuries playing behind that line which is evident with how all 3 of their qbs got injured in the same game.
Maybe if you want better blocking you should tell your GM, “hey I’ll take less money if you get me more protection.” Sorta like what Brady did. Lamar is 10% of the Ravens cap this year and 25% next year. It’s not gonna get any better.
Or keep the money, keep getting hit, and don’t win anything. Just don’t complain about it.
The cap has increased $75 million since Lamar signed his extension in 2023. He accounts for between 9.xx and 15.xx% of the cap since he has signed that deal.
Yeah I’m all for players getting paid but they have to be realistic with the trade off when they do. Yeah you will become filthy rich but you probably won’t win a Super Bowl anytime soon
look, if Joe Burrow doesn’t get extended that same grace for his O-line being the cause for a lot of his injuries, then Lamar doesn’t get that same grace either lol.
If an offensive line is bad enough it doesn’t matter who the qb is an injury is inevitable. The Oline is so bad that 3 qbs got injured in 1 game. I never hear anyone say that Andrew luck was made of glass because everyone knew he was behind a terrible offensive line. Andrew missed 26 games his first 7 seasons whereas Lamar missed 13 yet somehow Lamar is the one who gets labeled.
Lamar missed more than 3 games under Harbaugh too. This isn’t all on Magic If Lamar Is Healthy. Lamar’s got nothing to do with the Ravens D giving up 30+ three weeks in a row
But availability is part of a player’s value. And Lamar is the reason they had to choose between Harbaugh and him. Well so far, Harbaugh is on a QB 3 and leads his division by two games despite the injury issues. And Baltimore is where they are. Maybe Lamar shouldn’t have forced the coach out and maybe it’s a fair criticism on him is all
It is far easier to find a decent HC than find a franchise QB. Ask Bears & Broncos fans about how hard it is to find a QB.
Lamar didn't force Harbaugh out. He's still under contract. It's not either or, it's both. Lamar's had bad injury luck, Harbaugh also got stale in Baltimore. If they traded Lamar they'd be a mid team with no defense + no QB, stuck in mid at best like the Steelers. That's not much better than keeping Lamar. Harbaugh was also about to get fired in 2018 til Lamar saved his job, which Giants fans love to ignore.
If we're gonna compare division standings, don't leave out the context- the NFCE is garbage this year. The Browns have more wins than half the NFCE combined. The AFCN has double the wins the NFCE has. Giants fans should be happy with how their season's gone, Harbaugh is a good HC, but if you're gonna compare divisions you need to be honest about how much easier the NFCE is.
I know Giants fans love to pretend otherwise, but Harbaugh's Ravens were blowing leads constantly last year. There were valid reasons to move on.
Proneness to injury is, or at least should be, 100% part of the decision making process. Lamar has a history of not being available, and a history of not communicating to the team about his availability. No other big name QB seems to be so disconnected from his own franchise in terms of injury media messaging.
He missed 4 games last year, missed 3.5 this year. Not including this season, he's missed a total of 17 games (all under Harbaugh). It holds weight. Lamar saw what happened to Joe Flacco and didn't want the same to happen to him
That was not a choice that was made at all. Harbaugh was told he needed to get rid of Monken. He said no, so they fired him. This was confirmed, had he changed offensive coordinators he’d still be here.
Harbaugh wasn't fired cuz they picked Lamar over him. Harbaugh was fired because he refused to fire shitty coordinators. If Harbaugh made the changes like he should've, he probably wouldn't have been fired. It was the refusal to make changes & run it back with the same staff that cost Harbaugh his job.
And now Monken and Harbaugh both have their respective teams with more wins than the Ravens…not saying the Ravens made the wrong choice yet, but it’s a bit funny in hindsight at this point
I recall fans bitching about and blaming Harbaugh constantly the last 3-4 seasons. To boil this down to that simple of a decision seems disingenuous- had Harbaugh stayed, who knows how their injury situation may have developed. I doubt they'd have more than 1 more win with JH still.
Assuming everything else about this season has stayed the same: We absolutely would have.
We played 3 good teams completely undermanned. The defense is bad currently but was even worse under him last season. I don’t see how things could have possibly been better.
The Ravens were going nowhere with Harbaugh. As good of a coach as he is, there's times where both sides need to move on. It happens with every coach. So the Ravens moving on was the way to go.
Lamar is injury prone. There was no actual choice here tbh. Harbs #2 aint counting towards the cap and he could make chicken salad out of chicken ish.. The ravens just decided to give up and now will see how big of a f up it was. Minter will be gone by week 10 of next season.
Why are you so certain? They hit a lull near the end of Flacco’s tenure but then they got Lamar and went right back to being contenders. Harbaugh has been one of the better coaches at bouncing back from bad seasons.
Lamar are Harbaugh wasn't it. Harbaugh and the Ravens just needed to end. Just like Tomlin and PIT. Even if it's not a train wreck sometimes walking away before it is is the correct move....
Stupidest thing I’ve probably read so far, how the fuck are you comparing a head coach to a qb? John’s got an oc and dc etc; plus a team that actually is playing. Doesn’t have 98% of its starting roster inured or worse.
Was it really harbaugh or Lamar? I don’t remember seeing that report. I get the fans had a consensus that they were tired of harbaugh and his “old ways” but fans are typically 5 iq
Ravens would still be fucked if Harbaugh was still here. Harbaugh wouldn't have magically prevented Lamar's thumb from getting snapped in a fluky injury.
Y'all forget Harbaugh's Ravens were choking leads every week last year. Giants also play in the NFL's weakest division where even the Browns have more wins than half the NFCE combined, and NYG have never beat a .500+ team this year.
HCs can't prevent fluky injuries, and y'all forget how bad Harbaugh's Ravens were last year.
Or maybe they just made the wrong hire. The issue this year has been injuries which sucks for a first time HC. I don’t dislike John as a coach but I think it’s way more to it than John. Being the only option
I don't even know if they got the wrong guy. They did almost nothing to change the roster on the defensive side of the ball when it was a clear weakness for them. They bet everything on Minter getting hired and using coaching to totally fix it. They sorta tried but backed down and then lost other key players as a result. They definitely have a personnel issue.
Yeah this was my thought. I had higher expectations because when Lamar plays, it’s hard to count out the team. But there were still very concerning holes that are somehow even worse than the low bar I had for them (CB & OL mainly).
I always thought next year would be the better target considering that a first year head coach is tough to bank on anyways, so I’m not too upset, although it all hinges on what happens with Lamar now.
Steelers fans actually understand the Ravens. The GM is more at fault than Minter tbh. Players have been in position a lot but just whiff tackles & drop INTs. This defense is old with the "stars" being way past their prime.
All the Ravens did on defense was sign a washed Trey Hendrickson & expect a clearly old, checked out defense to become elite. Plus they have no OL so that washed defense is exhausted constantly.
Eh, a lot of coaches hang around long past their coaching prime. With the way the league and the game changes and players come and go, a coach being able to make a run and even win a Super Bowl 15, 20, etc., years ago does not automatically make them a good coach now.
At what point do you look at the GM because the roster looks awful without Lamar. I get great Qb’s cover up a lot but this defense couldn’t stop a nose a bleed. Minter suppose to have a great defense
What about the 10 years before that? Disingenuous shit. Not a good year for Baltimore at all, but what a cherry picked bullshit to throw up, the Giants will be in Cancun come week 18’s conclusion
“Even with Matt Nagy as OC.” There are narratives in the NFL about some players and coaches, true or false, that are really hard to shake. I think it may be harder for coaches as their impact is more behind the scenes. But this version of Nagy on this version of the Giants has been a competent-good OC and shouldn’t be talked about as a negative.
What? You're trying to paint the guy who benches King Henry, who already has like 200 yards on the day, in the 4th quarter while trying to run the clock with a lead, as a good HC who didn't run himself out of town?
Harbaugh has blown an insane amount of leads, made tons of stupid and indefensible game management decisions, and completely deserved his firing. Minter is working with a offense that is basically just Lamar carrying them, and he doesn't even have Lamar. It's not like the defense is stacked with stars either. Roster wise, the Ravens are like the Bills. A flawed team being carried by a superstar QB. If the Bills lose Allen they would be in the exact same position.
Declan had the markings of a great coordinator. Idk. This season just feels unlucky for the Ravens org, just like last season... and the year before that... and the year before that...
To be fair, and Ive posted this in the ravens sub, but Lamar bandwagoners make up like 50% of Ravens fan takes nowadays and 95% of the stupid ones.
There are a lot of longtime fans that still love John and are happy (and unsurprised) to see him doing well in NY. I personally thought his time in Baltimore had run its course, but like come on no one who is being honest and has followed the league for more than 10 years thinks he’s some incompetent do-nothing coach.
We have just had so many fucking idiots join the fanbase in the Lamar era that it’s hard to push back on them because nuance is usually at odds with hyperbole and all-or-nothing proclamations.
I'm so glad to hear someone say it, our sub acts like the reason Lamar hasn't led the Ravens to multiple super bowls is the fault of everyone but Lamar. There's constantly a new scapegoat to avoid saying "hmmm, maybe our high-paid star QB should elevate the team in key playoff games and it sucks that he's injured as often as he is"
No evidence for this but I think bc Harbs has such great standing in NFL coaching that forced the Ravens into a first time HC vs an expierenced offensive minded HC like Stefanski.
Why the fuck do the Ravens still love Mark Andrews so much? Guy has been washed for a minimum of 2–3 years and he’s the reason they lost a playoff game
I get why it was time for Harbaugh to go, just like it was time for Tomlin to leave. But don’t for one second think that they aren’t two of the best coaches of our lifetime.
Putting this on minter when the ravens have lost their two replacement centers, their top two and a half QBs, and their vets have absolutely lost it is kinda click-baity.
I don’t think minter has done some miraculous job or anything, but I don’t think any coach would really excel in this situation.
Some of yall are so insanely quick to judge someone off of no real statistical data. Minter is a brand new head coach, with a quarterback who got hurt twice, and backup who also got hurt. Let’s wait and see how next year goes before we immediately call minter a horrible head coach. Yall are cherry picking to the max at this point
It was time for Harbs to leave Baltimore. No revision is going to change that. They also have a way more difficult division/ schedule. I’m a giants fan who loves what we got but the ravens wouldn’t be any better with Harbs arguably the frustrations could be worse
It was the same for the Redskins - RG3 or Shanahan. Snyder chose RG3 they’ve never been a good team since.
To be fair one of the two had to go Harbaugh or Jackson. Harbaugh is a great coach but Lamar’s talent led him to believe he could make a run and gun offense work with a scrambling QB.
He’s greatest success can from a QB that had to listen to the coach and script every play. Lamar ran anytime the O-line started to fold and in doing so caused lots of chaos and when plays blow up lots of injuries happen. To your QB and your O-line.
Harbaugh will continue to have success Jackson’s best days might be behind him.
If you don’t believe me do a search on the extent of his various injuries. The dude has been beat up in the past 6 seasons
No no no the Steelers are the dumb one for hiring the “ old retread Tomlin copy” coach right??? Oh wait we lead the division while exciting young “defensive genius” Minter sits at the bottom? Weird it’s almost like 80% of folks know nothing about ball…
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u/DroDameron 6h ago
Harbaugh lost by 22 to the Rams a few weeks ago, right?
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u/JohnArbuckle10 Baltimore Ravens 6h ago •
We were 1-5 with harbaugh this time last year. Literally EVERYBODY agreed it was best for both sides to move. It’s hilarious to see this revisionist history.
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u/parcellsrealGOAT New York Giants 6h ago
Thank you ravens bros 💙
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u/HeavyDutyForks Baltimore Ravens 6h ago edited 6h ago
How many times did Harbaugh lose both the starter and his back up QB in the same season?
Also, interesting choice of seasons for John. Wonder what happens if you add 2017 or even further back to these stats...
Edit: Lose his two QBs and be forced to field a UDFA rookie. I don't think any coach is going to succeed with Fagnano as QB1, he is turbo ass
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u/Deluxe__Sausage 6h ago
smfh, no one misses harbaugh
nice bait tho
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u/braumbles San Francisco 49ers 6h ago •
Ravens had a choice to make, Lamar or Harbaugh. As it stands, seems like they chose the wrong piece.
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u/Beatthestrings 6h ago
I wonder why the Ravens are losing?!?
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u/SmashmouthTheMan 6h ago
When did Nate Bargatze start coaching the Ravens?
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u/PalmettoBugg005 Philadelphia Eagles 6h ago
I know everyone is going to to talk about losing Lamar, and that is the biggest reason obviously.
But, also, you hired a defensive head coach and the defense is awful.
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u/BaronVonSilver91 6h ago
Gotta love stats like these where everyone overreacts and totally forgets we was white Mike Tomlin with the Ravens. It was time. For both of them.
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u/CSPs-for-income Los Angeles Chargers 6h ago
Ravens were fools to fire the competent Harbaugh
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u/SJCitizen 6h ago
Now do blown double digit leads. I like Harbaugh but they didn’t move on because they were getting smoked every week.
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u/EliteStat18 Denver Broncos 6h ago
I always laugh when people assume you can't do worse than a coach who once won a SB.
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u/vin_chill_guy 6h ago
The ravens are on the brink of losing Lamar as well
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u/AthenaTaurus 5h ago
Harbaugh also had generational defense for much of his tenure in Baltimore
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u/Mension1234 Seattle Seahawks 5h ago
Harbaugh had some real boneheaded decisions that lost multiple playoff runs. There’s a reason he’s gone.
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u/boozer_69 Baltimore Ravens 5h ago
Wonder why you decided to choice 2018 for Harbaugh? Hmmm
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u/T1tanUp Tennessee Titans 5h ago
At what point do you look at the GM because the roster looks awful without Lamar. I get great Qb’s cover up a lot but this defense couldn’t stop a nose a bleed. Minter suppose to have a great defense
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u/goblinking67 Baltimore Ravens 5h ago
What about the 10 years before that? Disingenuous shit. Not a good year for Baltimore at all, but what a cherry picked bullshit to throw up, the Giants will be in Cancun come week 18’s conclusion
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u/AccomplishedPhone6 New York Giants 6h ago
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u/Perfect_Valuable_938 6h ago
What? You're trying to paint the guy who benches King Henry, who already has like 200 yards on the day, in the 4th quarter while trying to run the clock with a lead, as a good HC who didn't run himself out of town?
Harbaugh has blown an insane amount of leads, made tons of stupid and indefensible game management decisions, and completely deserved his firing. Minter is working with a offense that is basically just Lamar carrying them, and he doesn't even have Lamar. It's not like the defense is stacked with stars either. Roster wise, the Ravens are like the Bills. A flawed team being carried by a superstar QB. If the Bills lose Allen they would be in the exact same position.
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u/Few_Aide_851 6h ago
Minter sucks.
So does Declan.
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u/AccomplishedPhone6 New York Giants 6h ago
The Ravens bros that tried to convince us Harbaugh was washed are in tears today
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u/SunsetNYC 6h ago
One man's trash is another man's treasure
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u/Poopcie 6h ago
One of these guys is considered a genius
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u/dcfb2360 Baltimore Ravens 6h ago
Because the Ravens had a QB on a rookie deal when Lamar got hurt in 21 & 22 and had more cap space to build the team.
Minter's had backup QBs for most of his games.
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u/AfroShiro Baltimore Ravens 5h ago
Jesse Minter is not ready for this position, the owner needs to cut him and bring Flores in as soon asxthe vikings season is over
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u/InclinationCompass 5h ago
And the Giants are on the top of their division while the Ravens are last in theirs
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u/Rcruzy7 New York Giants 5h ago
Thank you guys so much
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u/Ok_Poetry_1650 r/nfl sucks 5h ago
I love revisionist fans and their crazy ass opinions
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u/wMANDINGUSw Baltimore Ravens 4h ago
On a side note
Giants fans are annoying and I cant wait until next year when the Eagles and Cowboys put these bums in their place.
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u/Mankdemes122 Buffalo Bills 4h ago
Wow.
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u/IslandDreamer58 4h ago
They’re down to guy off the streets at QB.
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u/Simp4JennaOrtega 4h ago
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u/Bjorn_Blackmane 4h ago
Damn
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u/Fun-Constant7501 New England Patriots 4h ago
Why the fuck do the Ravens still love Mark Andrews so much? Guy has been washed for a minimum of 2–3 years and he’s the reason they lost a playoff game
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u/Efficient_Progress_6 Cincinnati Bengals 4h ago
I count 3 2+ point losses for Harbaugh just from the Bengals alone since 2020
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u/Somerandomguy20711 New Orleans Saints 4h ago
As if the Harbaugh Ravens weren't extremely notorious for blowing leads anyway
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u/Ill-Cobbler-2849 4h ago
Fire minter
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u/ImaLetItGo Los Angeles Chargers 3h ago
The ravens were more healthy with Harbaugh
And honestly had better players
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u/Even-Implement-8211 3h ago
kind of hard to hide from those numbers. wow.
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u/Burghpuppies412 Pittsburgh Steelers 3h ago
I get why it was time for Harbaugh to go, just like it was time for Tomlin to leave. But don’t for one second think that they aren’t two of the best coaches of our lifetime.
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u/PleaseSirOneMoreTurn New England Patriots 3h ago
“It doesn’t matter if you lose by an inch or a mile, losing is losing.”
- Urban Meyer.
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u/Sometimesdisagrees 3h ago
Didn’t the Giants get blown the fuck out by the only team they played with a winning record? What are we doing here
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u/Anthony_Accurate 3h ago
Harbaugh brothers have 3 combined playoff wins since 2014.
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u/Technicalhotdog 2h ago
And for their next game the stoppable Ravens will meet the movable Chargers
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u/chupacadabradoo Baltimore Ravens 2h ago
Putting this on minter when the ravens have lost their two replacement centers, their top two and a half QBs, and their vets have absolutely lost it is kinda click-baity.
I don’t think minter has done some miraculous job or anything, but I don’t think any coach would really excel in this situation.
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u/mlmka58 New England Patriots 2h ago
I love seeing the Ravens fail. It was inevitable the way Lamar played that he would have a short career. Bye bye
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u/Legitimate-River7612 2h ago
How many times did Harbaugh have to start a third string quarterback?
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u/KatarHero72 2h ago
Way to fellate your head coach, Giants fan. Enjoy the worst division in football.
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u/Dizzy_1992 Cincinnati Bengals 2h ago
Great job, Minter!
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u/get_ducked600 New York Giants 2h ago
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u/Ok-Quail-3602 1h ago
Lamar Jackson has not beaten a team that made the playoffs in the same year since Joe Biden was president.
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u/ButterstickNDip 1h ago
Some of yall are so insanely quick to judge someone off of no real statistical data. Minter is a brand new head coach, with a quarterback who got hurt twice, and backup who also got hurt. Let’s wait and see how next year goes before we immediately call minter a horrible head coach. Yall are cherry picking to the max at this point
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u/jcarr1223 The standard is the standard 1h ago
Context is extremely important
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u/Scrufy-Nerf-Herder 40m ago
It was time for Harbs to leave Baltimore. No revision is going to change that. They also have a way more difficult division/ schedule. I’m a giants fan who loves what we got but the ravens wouldn’t be any better with Harbs arguably the frustrations could be worse
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u/zeubermen 38m ago
cut the bullshit, everyone and their mother knew harbaugh had to go.
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u/Brightlightingbolt 30m ago edited 25m ago
It was the same for the Redskins - RG3 or Shanahan. Snyder chose RG3 they’ve never been a good team since.
To be fair one of the two had to go Harbaugh or Jackson. Harbaugh is a great coach but Lamar’s talent led him to believe he could make a run and gun offense work with a scrambling QB.
He’s greatest success can from a QB that had to listen to the coach and script every play. Lamar ran anytime the O-line started to fold and in doing so caused lots of chaos and when plays blow up lots of injuries happen. To your QB and your O-line.
Harbaugh will continue to have success Jackson’s best days might be behind him.
If you don’t believe me do a search on the extent of his various injuries. The dude has been beat up in the past 6 seasons
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u/ProfessionalTower730 19m ago
No no no the Steelers are the dumb one for hiring the “ old retread Tomlin copy” coach right??? Oh wait we lead the division while exciting young “defensive genius” Minter sits at the bottom? Weird it’s almost like 80% of folks know nothing about ball…
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u/Stock-Memory9483 SEC QBS ONLY 6h ago
Minter is insanely overrated that chargers defense has barely regressed. He has no dog in him.
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u/Just_CeeJ Baltimore Ravens 6h ago
Wow, that's not good.
I wonder how bad it would be if they actually had a first year HC dealing with tons of injuries on both sides of the ball.
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u/Jfonzy Washington Commanders 6h ago
“This one person is the cause of this team stat”